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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1410 on: June 21, 2023, 06:41:08 AM »

give me an actual log or I can't help you.

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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1411 on: June 21, 2023, 06:55:16 AM »

I can confirm I am not seeing that behavior on my end with 1.2.2, it works fine on my save. Did you modify anything in your Tahlan 1.2.1 or update another mod alongside 1.2.2?

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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1412 on: June 22, 2023, 12:32:27 AM »

Anyone got any tips on running a full Rosenritter fleet? I tried going full leadership with wolfpack tactics and support doctrine with either the Traumanzer or the other battlecruiser kitted to be a command center flagship with level 5 (and some 7s) officers controlling all the silverblut regalia ships but I'm getting my butt kicked. AI just overwhelms me with ships and the AI for MY ships cower against their superior tonnage.
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1413 on: June 22, 2023, 02:14:19 AM »

Anyone got any tips on running a full Rosenritter fleet? I tried going full leadership with wolfpack tactics and support doctrine with either the Traumanzer or the other battlecruiser kitted to be a command center flagship with level 5 (and some 7s) officers controlling all the silverblut regalia ships but I'm getting my butt kicked. AI just overwhelms me with ships and the AI for MY ships cower against their superior tonnage.

   Since the NightSong (sorry, I'm very bad at german) Battlecruisers come equiped with electronic warfare (Eye of the Eagle) arrays that increase the combat performance of the regalias, the Rosenritter Fleet should be a heavy mech assault force. Be sure to put the Silberblut regalias under the command of your top level officers, which also add to their battlefield capabilities. As for the Traumtanzer... well, that ship is truly a nightmare (albtraum battlecruiser) as its name implies and should be your personal flagship under your direct control. Learn to micro it well and it becomes THE ultimate missile obliterator of doom from which few can survive, marking it as a DECISIVE SHIP able to save the day against all odds!  I see you already have it. If not, find it ASAP!

   In terms of fleet composition, I usually field a maximum of two ships of each variant per fleet, tending to include everything the faction has to offer and equipping the combatants with loadouts from its faction's weapons, don't want to commit an act of HERESY otherwise. I like to give the spotlight to all the ships a faction has to offer, but that's just me, hate me or, well... hate me again.

   When it comes to tactics, deploy no less than six Silberblut regalias (with aggressive officers) and at least a NightSong battlecruiser to anchor the fleet with two MoonLight (Mondlitch?) cruisers to help form a front battle line. To this add a Halbmond carrier in the rear with the gear to provide plenty of dorn missiles fire support and you should have a very worried enemy in front of you. I would also advice to take a Paladin Silverblut as your default engagement option to capitalize on its movility and swiftly flank and wreak havok among enemy targets. Learn to give orders and when to cancel them to your ships wisely, since oftentimes it is better to let them do their own thing than to force engagements or elimination orders. Also, don't overstep yourself as a general rule, not only with Rosenritter but with all fleet combat. Since you are expected as the player to gauge enemy fleet deathyness, you should begin picking battles in which you are, at least, not surpassed in number or heavily outgunned. As a last resort, UNLEASH the Traumtanzer and burn bright!!!


 
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1414 on: June 22, 2023, 02:23:15 AM »

Anyone got any tips on running a full Rosenritter fleet? I tried going full leadership with wolfpack tactics and support doctrine with either the Traumanzer or the other battlecruiser kitted to be a command center flagship with level 5 (and some 7s) officers controlling all the silverblut regalia ships but I'm getting my butt kicked. AI just overwhelms me with ships and the AI for MY ships cower against their superior tonnage.

   Since the NightSong (sorry, I'm very bad at german) Battlecruisers come equiped with electronic warfare (Eye of the Eagle) arrays that increase the combat performance of the regalias, the Rosenritter Fleet should be a heavy mech assault force. Be sure to put the Silberblut regalias under the command of your top level officers, which also add to their battlefield capabilities. As for the Traumtanzer... well, that ship is truly a nightmare (albtraum battlecruiser) as its name implies and should be your personal flagship under your direct control. Learn to micro it well and it becomes THE ultimate missile obliterator of doom from which few can survive, marking it as a DECISIVE SHIP able to save the day against all odds!  I see you already have it. If not, find it ASAP!

   In terms of fleet composition, I usually field a maximum of two ships of each variant per fleet, tending to include everything the faction has to offer and equipping the combatants with loadouts from its faction's weapons, don't want to commit an act of HERESY otherwhise. I like to give the spotlight to all the ships a faction has to offer, but that's just me, hate me or, well... hate me again.

   When it comes to tactics, deploy no less than six Silberblut regalias (with aggressive officers) and at least a NightSong battlecruiser to anchor the fleet with two MoonLight (Mondlitch?) cruisers to help form a front battle line. To this add a Halbmond carrier in the rear with the gear to provide plenty of dorn missiles support and you should have a very worried enemy in front of you. I also would advice to take a Paladin Silverblut as your default engagement option to capitalize on its movility and swiftly flank and wreak havok among enemy targets. Also, dont overstep yourself as a general rule, not only with Rosenritter but with all fleet combat. Since you are expected to gauge enemy fleet composition and deathyness, you should begin picking battles in which you are, at least, not surpassed in number or heavily outgunned. As a last resort, UNLEASH the Traumtanzer and burn bright!!!

that's what I've been doing actually. Well I tried either with Traumanzer (With Missile specialization and combat elite skills) or with Nightsong (With leadership skills) as flagship. I keep getting wrecked. DP limit does not allow me to deploy 6 silberblut regalias with a Nightsong. Let alone with two mondlitch  and a Halbmond on top of that.

So does this mean I can't win against 300,000 bounties with a Rosenritter fleet?
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1415 on: June 22, 2023, 03:04:52 AM »

Anyone got any tips on running a full Rosenritter fleet? I tried going full leadership with wolfpack tactics and support doctrine with either the Traumanzer or the other battlecruiser kitted to be a command center flagship with level 5 (and some 7s) officers controlling all the silverblut regalia ships but I'm getting my butt kicked. AI just overwhelms me with ships and the AI for MY ships cower against their superior tonnage.

   Since the NightSong (sorry, I'm very bad at german) Battlecruisers come equiped with electronic warfare (Eye of the Eagle) arrays that increase the combat performance of the regalias, the Rosenritter Fleet should be a heavy mech assault force. Be sure to put the Silberblut regalias under the command of your top level officers, which also add to their battlefield capabilities. As for the Traumtanzer... well, that ship is truly a nightmare (albtraum battlecruiser) as its name implies and should be your personal flagship under your direct control. Learn to micro it well and it becomes THE ultimate missile obliterator of doom from which few can survive, marking it as a DECISIVE SHIP able to save the day against all odds!  I see you already have it. If not, find it ASAP!

   In terms of fleet composition, I usually field a maximum of two ships of each variant per fleet, tending to include everything the faction has to offer and equipping the combatants with loadouts from its faction's weapons, don't want to commit an act of HERESY otherwhise. I like to give the spotlight to all the ships a faction has to offer, but that's just me, hate me or, well... hate me again.

   When it comes to tactics, deploy no less than six Silberblut regalias (with aggressive officers) and at least a NightSong battlecruiser to anchor the fleet with two MoonLight (Mondlitch?) cruisers to help form a front battle line. To this add a Halbmond carrier in the rear with the gear to provide plenty of dorn missiles support and you should have a very worried enemy in front of you. I also would advice to take a Paladin Silverblut as your default engagement option to capitalize on its movility and swiftly flank and wreak havok among enemy targets. Also, dont overstep yourself as a general rule, not only with Rosenritter but with all fleet combat. Since you are expected to gauge enemy fleet composition and deathyness, you should begin picking battles in which you are, at least, not surpassed in number or heavily outgunned. As a last resort, UNLEASH the Traumtanzer and burn bright!!!

that's what I've been doing actually. Well I tried either with Traumanzer (With Missile specialization and combat elite skills) or with Nightsong (With leadership skills) as flagship. I keep getting wrecked. DP limit does not allow me to deploy 6 silberblut regalias with a Nightsong. Let alone with two mondlitch  and a Halbmond on top of that.

So does this mean I can't win against 300,000 bounties with a Rosenritter fleet?

    Try to deploy as many regalias as you can with either the Traumtanzer, ideally under your control OR a NightSong. Then deploy cruisers and a Halbmond until you fill the initial deployment points. Give orders to capture battlespace emplacements that allow you to deploy more ships and try to flank the enemy with your regalias while the battlecruiser and MoonLight cruisers engage directly the enemy. Make no mistake, the Rosenritter fleet is DEVASTATING if properly used, but you should field a really large fleet (25 or more ships) if you aim to take on high pay bounties. Keep in mind that regalias are not heavy hitters and should be assigned skirmisher roles. Also, learn to micro its most agile ships and you will have ample opportunities for crippling enemy vessels caught unawares.

   Are you equipping the battlecruisers and cruisers with Rosenritter weapons? four stalhagel zwillings for shield-slaying duty and some sturmkanonne or high explosive beam for stripping armor usually do really well against any threat not capital sized. 

   Is the enemy fleet having the upper hand in the deployment phase? Do you have 10 seasoned officers at the helm of your heavy hitters and regalias? The Halbmond doesn't need one, nor do the frigate level regalias, which should be given escort or capture orders, if deployed in the main fray. The number of COMBAT CAPABLE ships with officers under your control is key to tip the initial deployment points in your favor.
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1416 on: June 22, 2023, 03:24:15 AM »

Guess I need to get a more customized loadout. I already maxed out the 30 ship fleet limit. I think I have 10 silver regalias with the nightsong and the Halmond. The rest are the frigate ships. (I thought the cruisers were meant to replace the Nightsong for smaller fleets?
Already spent 3 million credits just getting a full fleet lol. Honestly getting beat up by all the actual threats so badly is getting me a bit depressed. Like all my victories so far were because I have an OP flagship kek(which is true)

I think I need to figure out which silver regalia configuration fits my fleet more... Gonna have to bust out my old brute force fleet to rack up credits again.

Anyway the biggest issue I've been having is that the Silver Regalias REFUSE to attack my designated targets. They lag behind the flagship they're supposed to be protecting.

What's your recommendation? Traumanzer with my character's skills spec to Combat Tree or Nightsong spec to Leadership skills?
as for the Silver Regalias. I did produce 2 ships of each variant but it's not like I can give them all officers. Which variants do you think I should prioritize?
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1417 on: June 22, 2023, 03:54:28 AM »

Guess I need to get a more customized loadout. I already maxed out the 30 ship fleet limit. I think I have 10 silver regalias with the nightsong and the Halmond. The rest are the frigate ships. (I thought the cruisers were meant to replace the Nightsong for smaller fleets?
Already spent 3 million credits just getting a full fleet lol. Honestly getting beat up by all the actual threats so badly is getting me a bit depressed. Like all my victories so far were because I have an OP flagship kek(which is true)

I think I need to figure out which silver regalia configuration fits my fleet more... Gonna have to bust out my old brute force fleet to rack up credits again.

Anyway the biggest issue I've been having is that the Silver Regalias REFUSE to attack my designated targets. They lag behind the flagship they're supposed to be protecting.

What's your recommendation? Traumanzer with my character's skills spec to Combat Tree or Nightsong spec to Leadership skills?
as for the Silver Regalias. I did produce 2 ships of each variant but it's not like I can give them all officers. Which variants do you think I should prioritize?

   Try not to give an excessive number of escort orders, because that hinders the mobility of the silberbluts. Let them do their own thing and adjust to what they perceive as a threat accordingly. Capturing and keeping the strategic battlespace objectives is very important with fleets like the Rosenritter, who rely on space superiority and numbers. If you learn to use (micro) well the Traumtanzer, you'll be DELETING enemies left and right, as in like flyes, with shield-slaying comes the ALPHA STRIKE of six medium missiles AND the two Large mounts (also Rosenritter missiles) which casually replenishes munitions over time thanks to some internal Kassadari autoforge shenanigan made in Nia.

   If you prefer piloting a Silberblut, all are pretty fun to play: sniper ones, dakka-dakka others, missile bois and the elusive Paladin, which reminds me of the Virtuous Wanzer of Diable Avionics. And it is a good bet to confound and get your enemy in disarray, provoking flameouts and nasty holes in the hull while you're at it. AWESOME! Create your own playstyle and build upon it.

   Speed is of the essence. Let the regalias do their thing and when you find an isolated target, put eliminate orders on it. Learn to give and cancel orders sparingly and judiciously and try to gain strenght in numbers to overwhelm the opposition. Always be on the lookout for opportunity targets and try to be DECISIVE in battle with your personal ship, whichever it is. The Traumtanzer being a prime example of this.

   I usually don't field more than 4 Rosenritter frigates (2 of each variant of every single ship in the faction arsenal is the Golden Rule. Personal obsession, I know) and tend to deploy the ones with point defence main weapons and reserve the other to flank the retreating enemy in the pursuit phase.

   
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1418 on: June 22, 2023, 05:36:01 AM »

I think I got it! Thank you so much for your help. My fleet composition was lacking the anvil in the "anvil and hammer" tactic. The Traumatizer fit the bill with 2 supporting cruisers.
Just beat a 300k bounty without casualties.
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.2
« Reply #1419 on: June 22, 2023, 06:00:12 AM »

I think I got it! Thank you so much for your help. My fleet composition was lacking the anvil in the "anvil and hammer" tactic. The Traumatizer fit the bill with 2 supporting cruisers.
Just beat a 300k bounty without casualties.

   Glad to hear! Remember, Anvil in the center, regalias flanking left and right, Halbmond in the rear with the gear, a little bit of space dance and PAYDAY!!!!

Also yes, the Dancer of Dreams can be very traumatizing for the enemy officers watching it busy at work. LOL!  ;D
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.3
« Reply #1420 on: June 22, 2023, 02:36:37 PM »

There is an elusive Siluberblut? Tell me more!

Also, will there be any sort of mission set or story for the Kassadari?

I like their backstory and would love to bring them violently to power once more.
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.3
« Reply #1421 on: June 22, 2023, 11:02:20 PM »

There is an elusive Siluberblut? Tell me more!

Also, will there be any sort of mission set or story for the Kassadari?

I like their backstory and would love to bring them violently to power once more.

   The Model A of the Silberblut Regalia is named Paladin and has a similar ship sistem to that of a vanilla wolf frigate (phase skimmer), which makes it VERY ELUSIVE and very good as a brawler choice if used properly: Attack, retreat, vent, jump in, attack...

   The Rosenritter Order seem to be a chivalrous bunch of fellows suffering some sort of fall into disgrace and enduring the Dark Times of the current state of things in the Persean Sector. They are known for their strange war machines and their adherence to a code of honor which upholds, among other things, the honorable dueling between combatants using energy weapons the likes of their trademark Sturmkannone. They also seem to have some past grudge against the Noble Houses of Kassadar for some unfathomable reason. In order to fund their activities, they've had no choice but to sign a working contract with A.I.M. and find jobs as freelance mercenaries.

   For those who want to revive the lost honor and splendor of the Rosenritter Armada, I would advise to first go exploring into the unknown, preferably those systems with hungry stars that devour even the light, and search thoroughly all of them until you find some clue of their past legacy. I would also advise to include in your modlist, if you haven't done yet, Starship Legends (by Sundog) which is ideal if you want to renact the Legend of the Traumtanzer.
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.3
« Reply #1422 on: June 23, 2023, 08:09:59 AM »

Not Rosenritter my dude. I want to make Kassadar my capital :D
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.3
« Reply #1423 on: June 23, 2023, 11:57:12 AM »

great work, i've been waiting for this mod
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Re: [0.96a] Tahlan Shipworks 1.2.3
« Reply #1424 on: June 23, 2023, 12:07:04 PM »

Not Rosenritter my dude. I want to make Kassadar my capital :D

Ah yep... The Great Houses of Kassadar. I think I've heard Nia grumbling in a not so friendly attitude when asked about that in the past,   :D

Don't even dare bring the subject to his attention because I kinda know what's gonna happen...  ;D ;D

   At best, you could start a new campaign in Nexerelin with an errant Kassadari Inquisitor at the helm of a mighty Metafalica Battleship, then you could conquer Kassadar and make Lethia your home star system at the diplomatic cost of declaring war on the Independents. You could use further diplomatic effort to restore peace with them or turn political events the way you want for your campaign.
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