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[Beep Boop]

Without support a single IRAL deals about as much hull damage against most things as a Pulse Laser. Its niche is being a bulk weapon when you have the spare OP but not flux, or extreme burst anti hull with expanded mags and supporting weapons.

Well, I don't think you can expect any normal single weapon to be a wonder weapon that destroys everything when used alone, so this isn't really a problem.

[Phenir]

Without support a single IRAL deals about as much hull damage against most things as a Pulse Laser. Its niche is being a bulk weapon when you have the spare OP but not flux, or extreme burst anti hull with expanded mags and supporting weapons.

Well, I don't think you can expect any normal single weapon to be a wonder weapon that destroys everything when used alone, so this isn't really a problem.

I can think of a couple weapons that are strong independent weapons that don't need no support.

[Killer of Fate]

Without support a single IRAL deals about as much hull damage against most things as a Pulse Laser. Its niche is being a bulk weapon when you have the spare OP but not flux, or extreme burst anti hull with expanded mags and supporting weapons.

Well, I don't think you can expect any normal single weapon to be a wonder weapon that destroys everything when used alone, so this isn't really a problem.

I can think of a couple weapons that are strong independent weapons that don't need no support.

Why won't you name them then.

[Phenir]

Why won't you name them then.

Basically the few flux hungry weapons that are just anti everything as long you got the flux. Plasma cannon, heavy blaster, mjolnir. TPCs are pretty good too but you can't exactly mount those anywhere. Also some of the omega weapons of course.

[eert5rty7u8i9i7u6yrewqdef]

Why won't you name them then.

Basically the few flux hungry weapons that are just anti everything as long you got the flux. Plasma cannon, heavy blaster, mjolnir. TPCs are pretty good too but you can't exactly mount those anywhere. Also some of the omega weapons of course.

Cryo Blaster is great, but should be paired with an anti-armor weapon and anti-shield weapon for maximum power.
I ended up with enough Cryo Blasters for all four of my Novas, and when paired with a Kinetic Blaster, Autopulse Laser, and High Intensity Laser each. They truly are a menace and are far better than either HSA Nova, or quad Pulse Laser Nova.

[Phenir]

Why won't you name them then.

Basically the few flux hungry weapons that are just anti everything as long you got the flux. Plasma cannon, heavy blaster, mjolnir. TPCs are pretty good too but you can't exactly mount those anywhere. Also some of the omega weapons of course.

Cryo Blaster is great, but should be paired with an anti-armor weapon and anti-shield weapon for maximum power.
I ended up with enough Cryo Blasters for all four of my Novas, and when paired with a Kinetic Blaster, Autopulse Laser, and High Intensity Laser each. They truly are a menace and are far better than either HSA Nova, or quad Pulse Laser Nova.

Cryo is more flux efficient than heavy blaster against shields and a lot more efficient against armor. You can just treat cryo blaster as a heavy blaster that especially rips hull apart. It works fine on its own "as long as you got the flux".

[Princess_of_Evil]

Cryoblaster is 350 shield/armor DPS. At 500 flux, it's pricey, but with 1400 hull DPS that's barely reduced by residual armor?
That being said, 500 damage per hit of HB is notably better than CB's effective 350 against heavier armor. I'd actually say CB is slightly *less* efficient than HB against armor.

[Phenir]

Cryoblaster is 350 shield/armor DPS. At 500 flux, it's pricey, but with 1400 hull DPS that's barely reduced by residual armor?
That being said, 500 damage per hit of HB is notably better than CB's effective 350 against heavier armor. I'd actually say CB is slightly *less* efficient than HB against armor.

Right, I forgot frag damage penalty also applies to the damage itself, not just the hit strength, so it is about 20-30% less efficient against armor. I'd still argue it could be used by itself just fine, though like all weapons it doesn't hurt to have different weapons for different jobs.

[Princess_of_Evil]

It's basically a somewhat less slot dense Heavy Blaster against armor and shields, the difference is there but isn't too significant.

[Beep Boop]

Don't forget that it ALSO costs 4 extra OP per cryoblaster. This means it is not quite the clear winner here, either.

[Phenir]

The point wasn't to compare the two lmao. In case you missed it, this was the point

Without support a single IRAL deals about as much hull damage against most things as a Pulse Laser. Its niche is being a bulk weapon when you have the spare OP but not flux, or extreme burst anti hull with expanded mags and supporting weapons.

Well, I don't think you can expect any normal single weapon to be a wonder weapon that destroys everything when used alone, so this isn't really a problem.

I can think of a couple weapons that are strong independent weapons that don't need no support.

To which I expanded upon here

Why won't you name them then.

Basically the few flux hungry weapons that are just anti everything as long you got the flux. Plasma cannon, heavy blaster, mjolnir. TPCs are pretty good too but you can't exactly mount those anywhere. Also some of the omega weapons of course.

With the omega weapons I had in mind being rift cascade emitter and cryoblaster.
It doesn't matter if cryoblaster is better or worse than heavy blaster, what matters is how well it works on its own without assistance from other weapons, to which it does work pretty well.

[Beep Boop]

With the omega weapons I had in mind being rift cascade emitter and cryoblaster.
It doesn't matter if cryoblaster is better or worse than heavy blaster, what matters is how well it works on its own without assistance from other weapons, to which it does work pretty well.

Yes, but if you have to dig into Super Alablasters to find them, it sort of validates the original assumption since Super Alablasters are basically supposed to be cheathax.

[Phenir]

With the omega weapons I had in mind being rift cascade emitter and cryoblaster.
It doesn't matter if cryoblaster is better or worse than heavy blaster, what matters is how well it works on its own without assistance from other weapons, to which it does work pretty well.

Yes, but if you have to dig into Super Alablasters to find them, it sort of validates the original assumption since Super Alablasters are basically supposed to be cheathax.

Not like all of them are like that, and I did present examples of non omega weapons.

[Killer of Fate]

With the omega weapons I had in mind being rift cascade emitter and cryoblaster.
It doesn't matter if cryoblaster is better or worse than heavy blaster, what matters is how well it works on its own without assistance from other weapons, to which it does work pretty well.

Yes, but if you have to dig into Super Alablasters to find them, it sort of validates the original assumption since Super Alablasters are basically supposed to be cheathax.

Not like all of them are like that, and I did present examples of non omega weapons.

general weapons are usually less flux efficient, significantly so. So much so that a standard... Like NPC Paragon overfluxes itself to shooting Plasma Cannons. Mjollnir also works like that... And Heavy Blaster too...

You need to support these weapons with stuff like proper kinetic damage, otherwise you will lose the flux war. Which is why when you see for eg. min-maxed SO High Tech builds, they don't use Heavy Blaster necessarily but Kinetic Blaster instead.

[Juno]

I know, i know, high tech ships are great at dismantling slower out of position ships and bursting things down, but not everything can be a Nova.
With enough low/mid tech kinetic dakka you delete high tech shields and without them, those ships are made of paper.
On my current game made a killing developing Tri-tach contacts and farming their high tech bounties. It was incredible how much faster they die.

I have no idea how, or if they could be changed and to be honest, they DO work against slow ships without burn drives/enough speed but at this point, it just feels unfair to bully them. I kinda hope Tri-tach gets a rework at some point.

Disagree. Been playing nothing but high tech recently, after low and mid, and its the best dopamine.
High tech is bad at the hands of AI with suboptimal fits, no argument here.

In hands of a player it is the strongest possible, it will chew several low- mid- tech fleets at same time and ask for more.

- Just a few Overdrive Hyperions with 2 x Heavy Blaster and Heavy Machine Gun will rip apart anything up to late game, including Remnants and dorritos. They will dance around your slow ass low tech junk and kill Onslaught 1v1 in under 20 seconds.
- Slap 4 Autopulse on Paragon and will tear everyting apart albeit slowly crawling from target to target lol. Still using it for harder fights, can tank up to 3 *** onslaughts long enough to clear escorts.
- Overdriven Aurora with 3 Heavy Blasters and torpedoes rips apart anything in its way up to battlestations.
- Fury and Medusa suck, but again slap anti shield on them, safety overrides, 2  heavy blaster and they wlll punch way above their weight.
- Odyssey with 3 Autopulses is high octane high risk high reward. Can do 2 plasma cannons for ridiculous results too.

And the best part is - it''s FAST, unlike mind-numbingly slow and boring low tech fleets. All fights are done in under 30 seconds.

Another important thing is shield tanking rocks, and armor/hull sucks. Shield is indefinite, while armor/hull are not.
And low tech suffers terribly to it. A high tech ship with 1hp hull and full shield will fight and kill, where low tech just flops.

You can also build boring long range sniping high tech fleets, and they are very good at it with advannced optics - low tech has nothing like this.
But why bother when you can shred everything in seconds.

P.S. My current best 240 DP fleet now is 4 Autopulse Paragon + 2 Alpha Core Radiants 5 autopulse at 40% CR and 4 SO Hyperions. The amount of Dakka carnage is glorious and fast-paced, and there is nothing close low tech can do similar to this. Phase skimmer is the best battle ability in game, hands down.