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[Gris]

Good day!   

Im Kinda Curious: 

Is Brother Livewell Cotton Way More Dangerous Than Warlord Kanta?

Are His Ancestors the Cotton Family the ones who reduce Mayasura to a Barren Wasteland And also the ones who hear the singing?

I think Brother Cotton's descendants was Influenced and manipulated by the Singing to Reduce Mayasura to ruins.
And Also They get their funding from the Hegemony.

Could the Cotton Family also have Ludd's Bloodline so they didn't go insane in the singing?

Also the Player Also Hears the singing too and didn't go insane.

Im kinda curious besides Brother Cotton, Ludd and the Player:

Are there any characters in the Persean Sector who hears the singing and didn't go insane?

That is all and Thank You! 

[Katapy]

my brother in ludd, care to explain about the singing? *is about the zigg right?

i already finished the main-story, but cuz im a saturation enjoyer just press 1 to continue and dont read the important stuff.

[Gris]

my brother in ludd, care to explain about the singing? *is about the zigg right?

i already finished the main-story, but cuz im a saturation enjoyer just press 1 to continue and dont read the important stuff.

Yes.

I kinda wish Brother Livewell Cotton would be fleshed out in the future updates.

A shame He only has less screentime.
He seems to be a very interesting character and I want to know His Backstory.

It would be kinda cool if you can join the Luddic Path Faction and do their sidequests.
And you start as a recruit and climb your way up to the ranks.

And
It would be kinda cool if you were to fight Brother Livewell Cotton in the Main Storyline:

He would have a Unique Safety Overrides Version of a Guardian with three S-Mods (The All Missile Spam Jackhammer Variant with Luddic Path Green Paint Job in it)

Or

A Unique Safety Overrides Luddic Path Green Version of An Invictus with three S-Mods (The Jackhammer Missile Variant Version).

That is all.

[Beep Boop]

I think giving him too much screentime would detract from his character, honestly. It's hard to keep an air of mystery if you keep showing up.

[Sandor057]

What is more dangerous?

Someone who runs a loosely knit but still somewhat unified sectorwide organization, has lived for just about the entire time since the collapse, who is able to procure just about everything, can make your life miserable at a whim, yet who you may also bargain with and come to an understanding?

Or someone who, while not the head of an organization, has achieved legendary status due to the acts of terror committed, who inspires people to join this organization which has moles in every other organization, thus can get critical information whenever necessary, who may sometimes miss their goal, but if they achieve it, worlds may burn?

Honestly, a difficult question. While Kanta is more approachable and public, her goal is not destruction only. So that may count for something. Then again, if we can believe the conversations with Cotton, then he has also changed his known behaviour (at least towards the player). If we look at our first meeting with the Loke clone, and take what he says for truth (even if it makes little sense), it seems that Elissa, Gargoyle and Kanta are very much looking at the Galatia Academy's activities with interest and are regarding the relay hacking as a bit of a mischief.

About their sanity and the singing in general: are Cotton and the player, conventionally speaking, sane? For the latter I can accept that it depends on how you play. However for the former, while he hears the singing as well and it is of great importance to him, it does not diminish his former terrorist activities and religious fanaticism.
While you, the player, start hearing the singing when encountering the Ziggurat and later the gates, Cotton hears them first in prison, then later before you go meet him. Does he hear the same singing? I am not entirely sure.


In conclusion: I do wish the lore would flesh out lots of characters way more (especially Cotton). I'd read the hell out of every new tidbit.

[Beep Boop]

It would be kinda cool if you were to fight Brother Livewell Cotton in the Main Storyline

No, no it wouldn't. Fighting him would first, be out of character, and second, it's pretty much impossible to take anyone you have to fight and defeat seriously afterwards. The entire point of the character is that he's the main Pather that you do NOT have to blow up and is otherwise reasonable.

[Comrade_Bobinski]

It would be kinda cool if you were to fight Brother Livewell Cotton in the Main Storyline

No, no it wouldn't. Fighting him would first, be out of character, and second, it's pretty much impossible to take anyone you have to fight and defeat seriously afterwards. The entire point of the character is that he's the main Pather that you do NOT have to blow up and is otherwise reasonable.

I can see the endgame resorting to a big fight AGAINST or WITH THE HELP of a main faction fleet, and a pather aramada led by Cotton helping the player defeat an OMEGA threat would be both deeply ironic and kind of cool. You could then betray him or join him against the remaining factions...

[StuffyEvil]

I am pretty sure Brother Livewell Cotton is far more dangerous.

He's initially just some thug in some prison until he heard the "singing" / "music" and found the "light" that is the Luddic Path, so he isn't from some kind of lineage, just some nobody that became the most wanted individual in the Persean Sector.

Don't get me wrong, Warlord Kanta will be happy to double-cross you for her own gains, but she does does reject dangerous technology like the Ziggurat & the Planetkiller.
She wants to prosper off of the riches of the other legal factions, and she can't do that if they are smothering ashes.

Brother Livewell Cotton on the other hand talks about preparing for some supposed "endtimes" ... whatever that may pertain.

[Gris]

Good day!   
Thank you for all the replies! 

[Beep Boop]

I can see the endgame resorting to a big fight AGAINST or WITH THE HELP of a main faction fleet, and a pather aramada led by Cotton helping the player defeat an OMEGA threat would be both deeply ironic and kind of cool. You could then betray him or join him against the remaining factions...

Man, if there's anything I could think of that would take the shine off a character faster than having to defeat them, it's probably having them fight alongside you as an "ally". I mean, if I fight them, they become one more enemy I crush. But I fight ALONGSIDE them, now they're even worse: An incompetent ally that is actively getting in my way.

No, Brother Cotton should forever remain a character of the ground and shadows, a mover and shaker that operates outside the domain of the player. Challenging the player in his own domain is a recipe for ignominy and death.

[TK3600]

The only one more dangerous is John Starsector.

[Rusty Edge]

I can see the endgame resorting to a big fight AGAINST or WITH THE HELP of a main faction fleet, and a pather aramada led by Cotton helping the player defeat an OMEGA threat would be both deeply ironic and kind of cool. You could then betray him or join him against the remaining factions...

Man, if there's anything I could think of that would take the shine off a character faster than having to defeat them, it's probably having them fight alongside you as an "ally". I mean, if I fight them, they become one more enemy I crush. But I fight ALONGSIDE them, now they're even worse: An incompetent ally that is actively getting in my way.

 Working with the path in an uneasy truce is an EXCELLENT mission hook, but it would be better done with a tense meeting with Cotton on an abandoned skydock, and you would end up fighting alongside one of his top admirals. Our shadowy, scheming death-cult leader does NOT need to be sitting behind 2 chainguns going AAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!!! With Adagio in D minor playing in the background.

A much more poignant end-game threat would be cotton turning your own people against you before unleashing a pather Armada. Having to battle your own radicallized fleets would be a worthy gut-punch from such a feared man. How successful his ploy is could depend on your use of AI cores and domain artifacts, levels of pollution and militarization, and your use of certain... Unnatural weapons.

[Pizzarugi]

Cotton is far and above the more dangerous threat. The pirates may seem big and draw more attention to themselves with their constant raiding, but at the end of the day, Kanta and her loose-knit band of clans are only after the wealth of others. There is nothing to loot, no wealth to steal, if the would-be victims are all dead or reduced to survivors struggling to survive in their ruined worlds. She is a nuisance that's been left to fester for too long, nothing more.

Livewell Cotton, however, has ambition. He doesn't organize Pather cells and infiltrators looking for opportunities to plunder. He's looking for ways to undermine the authority of the other factions in a bid to bring about the apocalypse. Given his fanatical religious leanings, it wouldn't surprise me if he believes the singing he hears are the heralds of Ludd, telling him that the end of the world is here. Ironic that he would be the one responsible for the end of the world. Unlike the pirates, he's willing to go so far as to annihilate an entire faction by saturation bombarding all of their planets (yours in this case). Not even the Sindrian Diktat are willing to go that far.

[Beep Boop]

Unlike the pirates, he's willing to go so far as to annihilate an entire faction by saturation bombarding all of their planets (yours in this case). Not even the Sindrian Diktat are willing to go that far.

I don't remember Brother Cotton bombing your planets. If you mean the Luddic Path crisis, there is nothing to suggest that he is involved in that. The Luddic Path is not an organized body with a leadership and a chain of command that he's at the top of.

[RoadTrain]

Bit off-topic but gonna point out here that even the luddic church itself knows about and recognizes the singing. When running knight's errand, you can talk about the main dude about it and he'll mention something along the lines of 'song of angels' which is a bad omen. I forget the exact text though... So there's probably more people than just us and Cotton that can 'hear the song'.