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[Farya]

If anything Persean League now looks pretty much like People's Republic of Haven from Honor Harrington series to me. A large polity that uses laser warhead missiles, claims to protect freedom and independence, but in reality is a grossly corrupt and oppressive state that forces smaller polities into joining and paying tributes. The only difference is that they are larping as ancient Greece instead of Reign of Terror France.

[Killer of Fate]

i love the fact that everyone despises the Persean League and think they're tyrants.
But their crisis is the literally only one that can't kill you, because their ships don't actually engage in any combat with you or your trade convoys unless you go out of your way to fight them.
And eventually they will just give up and leave.

Hegemony will come over and steal your slaves.
Pirates will raid you.
TT will silently kill all your friends when you're not looking. And then send a death fleet towards you.
SDS will just straight up turn your planet into Fallout: New Vegas

And yet people are scared of PL the most... The first time I encountered that crisis in the game. I just waited. And they went away. It's not like colony's are having a huge trouble earning money. They literally print it.

And they can only occupy one system at a time. Sure, it is annoying. And I wish there was a peaceful solution. But isn't it the case that if you actually join them, all the crisis in the game will just go away? And never happen?
Like... From my point of view, the Jedi are evil

[Bungee_man]

And they can only occupy one system at a time. Sure, it is annoying. And I wish there was a peaceful solution. But isn't it the case that if you actually join them, all the crisis in the game will just go away? And never happen?

Just the Hegemony crisis (and the League crisis, of course), but I think it should work the way you describe. The League is well-established, and the Church/Tri-Tach/Diktat shouldn't mess with them the way they would an interloper.

[Killer of Fate]

And they can only occupy one system at a time. Sure, it is annoying. And I wish there was a peaceful solution. But isn't it the case that if you actually join them, all the crisis in the game will just go away? And never happen?

Just the Hegemony crisis (and the League crisis, of course), but I think it should work the way you describe. The League is well-established, and the Church/Tri-Tach/Diktat shouldn't mess with them the way they would an interloper.

OH COME ON
They don't even stop the Diktat???
THEY DONT STOP THE DIKTAT!?

Do they stop LP and Pirates though?

Holy ***, imagine how cool it would be gameplay-wise if you could just join the League and never bother with any of the Crisis... Everyone would do it

Well, LP and pirates maybe not. Cause they can't even stop them on their own turf. But major factions would be neat

[Chumbosity]

Nope. Only the Hegemony crisis is prevented by joining the Persean League. I personally think it should also stop the Diktat & Church crises, but maybe not the Tri-Tachyon crisis as they work through enough intermediaries to have plausible deniability over who's even attacking your colony.

Now this might also sound a bit weird, but one thing I'd like to see is for these crises to start building up again if the Persean League is hostile with these factions. I honestly find joining the Persean League to be a detriment if I haven't already fought off the Hegemony crisis, as that's something I want to do in the long term for the story point reward. It's not too big of a deal if that's the only crisis I'm locked out of, but if it also stopped the Diktat & Church crises that would ultimately be pretty bad in the long term.

[Killer of Fate]

Nope. Only the Hegemony crisis is prevented by joining the Persean League. I personally think it should also stop the Diktat & Church crises, but maybe not the Tri-Tachyon crisis as they work through enough intermediaries to have plausible deniability over who's even attacking your colony.

Now this might also sound a bit weird, but one thing I'd like to see is for these crises to start building up again if the Persean League is hostile with these factions. I honestly find joining the Persean League to be a detriment if I haven't already fought off the Hegemony crisis, as that's something I want to do in the long term for the story point reward. It's not too big of a deal if that's the only crisis I'm locked out of, but if it also stopped the Diktat & Church crises that would ultimately be pretty bad in the long term.

The way how PL crisis is designed is that it'll be most likely the first one you'll encounter from my experience. That's because it doesn't attack anything specifically. It simply attacks you for existing.

But another thing is that I do think PL should stop TT too. PL has been around for a long time and they teamed up with TT during the AI Wars, so they should be very much aware of the shenanigans they might try to pull. And protect you from them.

Also... I think being commissioned to Sindrian Diktat should be a different way of solving the PL crisis. In which they offer you protection as well.
I get that SDS only occupies one system and don't have the power to hold their own against TT, LC and Heg at the same time. But all things considered PL should have their back to some extent. At least to prevent an all out war between the factions.

Or at least not protection from PL... But like if they see you're with SDS, they will just fold their hands and leave. Like you go to the guy who looks like evil Bill Gates or whatever and tell him "hey, you know I'm part of the Diktat. Wait till Andrute Dada hears about this".

So you will still be attacked by Heg, TT and Church. But not PL...

Honestly. It'd be neat if there were more benefits to being commissioned.
Like LC could maybe help out against PL or SDS.
And Hegemony should probably also provide heavy protection from everyone but themselves. Pirates and Pathers.

That does make me wonder to what extent the LC actually hates AIs? They might see them as Techno-Satan. And they want the Automated Fleets destroyed. But if there was an AI-controlled colony that produced large amounts of goods and grew their religion rapidly. Then maybe they would be like "well... Hmmmmmmmm... Well... HMMMMMMMMMM... Walt, I don't know man". And if Hegemony came over to check on AIs, LC would come over and say "maybe we can do something about this. Give me a million dollars. And we'll see what we can do". And if you give them that money. The Hegemony inspection will be cancelled. And you can do it every time or something...

Also, I feel like PL should prevent all the crisis but the Hegemony one. Kinda odd...
Like why wouldn't they stop you from using AIs? They are probably as afraid of a rogue agent having them as they are of the Hegemony. Or are they not?

Nvm, I'm starting to confuse myself

[Breadley]

I hope the crisis fleets get buffed... I find all the raging tantrums on the forums and even on reddit quite funny, especially of the people who call the neutral non-aggressive PL fleets doomstacks.

[Killer of Fate]

I hope the crisis fleets get buffed... I find all the raging tantrums on the forums and even on reddit quite funny, especially of the people who call the neutral non-aggressive PL fleets doomstacks.

If the dev nerfs it, I hope that there'll be a slider in the config.json files that will allow me to just bring it back. Cause in my modded version of the game Persean League crisis is actually kinda fun in its current state

[Nettle]

Also... I think being commissioned to Sindrian Diktat should be a different way of solving the PL crisis. In which they offer you protection as well.

Your fleet gets commissioned and not the entire player faction, though.

[Antelope Syrup]

Your fleet gets commissioned and not the entire player faction, though.

Im like 95% sure they do,  they at least have the commissioned fleet border

[Killer of Fate]

Also... I think being commissioned to Sindrian Diktat should be a different way of solving the PL crisis. In which they offer you protection as well.

Your fleet gets commissioned and not the entire player faction, though.

if you can use your SDS commission to negotiate a peaceful ending to the Diktat crisis. Then you should also be able to use it to negotiate it for the PL in my opinion

[TheMeInTeam]

artificial intelligences were designed to interact with our concepts and our society.  Their ultimate goal is to comprehend and assist us, but the truth is that the ultimate goal also means that they will be too incomprehensive to be understood. With us treating them more like oracles than actual scientific assistants.

That's kinda what the paper talked about.

Who is 'us'?

Just because something is related to academic publishing doesn't mean it's necessarily valuable or even correct. The individual behind the paper you linked has a record of making some questionable claims about AI field. And a single journal this piece was published in has quite a low bar for passing peer-review. Also the entire thing is kinda a nothing burger with no hard data anyway.

Whilst @Nettle... Says "logic gates". From my understand the amount of processes taking place in a mind of an artificial intelligence self-referring to itself and other existing data makes its processes just untraceable. This is actually why we can't just "fix" artificial intelligences with all their weird suggestions and hallucinations. Because we don't actually know how they work. To us they're a magical black box apparently.

First of all - white-box models exist. Small scale NN's output is easy to interpret, and they are very straightforward to reverse-engineer. But it's also true that large NN's, with billions of parameters under the hood, are much harder to inspect, and require equally large computer clusters to do so. Most models are primarily black-box ones not because ML engineers can't explain them, but because white-box models are tremendously slower to develop. Also, it's easier to steal an easily interpretable model.

Hallucinations is a really vague (and somewhat misleading) term, since different models provide unsatisfying outputs of different kind for different reasons. Some of them can be mitigated or even eliminated entirely, but some are just inevitable consequence of NN's simply not "knowing" any data in a way something sentient would "know" it.

The bottom line here, is that NN's are not magic and the weird layer of borderline mysticism surrounding them is not justified. They also have nothing in common with AI in Starsector, or any other sci-fi universe.

I'm sure we'll get sci-fi using something closer to LLM if it doesn't already exist (someone out there probably already wrote something with it most likely).  Description of beta core somewhat resembles a LLM with capability boosted through the roof, though there's no evidence any of the AI in the game are based on LLMs.

I'm not sure what the star sector AI are supposed to be, canonically.  Their description suggests capability of self-determination/learning/updating, but when you hail them, they give you nonsense about Tri-Tachyon as if they aren't actively hostile to TT and vice versa.  That doesn't square with highly capable agents, unless they're just trolling or something.

I do find it interesting that, despite multiple massive wars against them and their sale being illegal, the only major faction that will challenge you over AI cores is hegemony.  PL will actively protect you while you're using them.  It's obvious governments are more willing to use them than they publicly let on too.

[Killer of Fate]

I wouldn't be surprised if Remnants weren't a finished faction. And their current state is just a placeholder for testing balancing changes. That's why they sound the way they do.

Honestly, I would be *** amazed if the next update we got actual Remnant systems with functional industries. I don't want them to be suddenly a romanceable faction. But them acting as an actual sentient group that forms an impenetrable network of collaboration would be significantly more interesting than just a brick to benchmark Paragons on.

I wonder what the new late game challenges that are being talked about are though...
Cause there are supposed to be other late game enemies than Remnants.
So, what?
Badass Derelicts?

[Bungee_man]

If the dev nerfs it, I hope that there'll be a slider in the config.json files that will allow me to just bring it back. Cause in my modded version of the game Persean League crisis is actually kinda fun in its current state

It was already nerfed. Used to be substantially larger.

if you can use your SDS commission to negotiate a peaceful ending to the Diktat crisis. Then you should also be able to use it to negotiate it for the PL in my opinion

You can? I hadn't heard of that. There's a peaceful solution involving profit-sharing, but that's invariant to commission.

I think it makes sense, honestly. The Diktat wouldn't let you slide on breaking their monopoly just because you have a commission. I would like to see an alternative solution involving Macario, though, maybe if you've finished his quest.

I'm not sure what the star sector AI are supposed to be, canonically.  Their description suggests capability of self-determination/learning/updating, but when you hail them, they give you nonsense about Tri-Tachyon as if they aren't actively hostile to TT and vice versa.  That doesn't square with highly capable agents, unless they're just trolling or something.

I think the blueprint being used here is "gone beyond its programming", possibly with the aid/interference of whatever was flying the Ziggurat. The derelicts sat around for centuries, and started to behave erratically. The low-level AI cores captaining Remnant ships still talk in the standard Tri-Tach jargon, but will interrupt it to communicate, often in broken English, suggesting they weren't built or programmed to do that.

Alpha cores are explicitly human/superhuman - level intelligence, but they're meant to be alien minds that may not be interested in communicating most of the time, nor entirely sane. I don't think there's an explicit ML architecture in mind, here.

[Ragnarok101]

People hate the Persean League because the crisis is easily triggered and the amount of stuff they throw at you incogruous with the setting lore in general (where singular capital ships are a serious investment even for the Hegemony to the point of preferring to refurbish dead husks as a secret project, and Kazeron is less militarily powerful than the Hegemony).

Simple as that. They'd be less annoyed if, as people outlined, it triggered at a tier higher and had a better off-ramp.