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[Thaago]

I think using HVD's is why the baseline brawler might seem weak to you: they are bad weapons for anything that is "slot limited" because their DPS and efficiency are so low.

TT brawlers getting 10 OP is a good amount, and they get a better ship system (by a little bit), and they get free insulated engine assembly! But they are locked out of ballistic weapons entirely (can't put them on the small sides either), especially kinetics. Kinetic weapons (the ones without low DPS) are just really good.

[Rusty Edge]

Would it be rediculous to give base Brawlers built in escort package? Each of the variants have their own things they are really good at. And can act completely independently.

[Sandor057]

EP is exclusive to Destroyers and Cruisers. Not saying the Brawler could not get some custom version, but it would need some tweaking to get done. I find Ballistic Rangefinder could also work though.

[Thaago]

Giving the base brawler a custom version of escort package would be good for them, as they excel at mid-range fire support already but are the worst "hunters" of the variants. I'd say making it not scale to capitals, but instead scale to destroyers and cruisers, would work (10% range near destroyers, 30% near cruisers).

[Rusty Edge]

Ballistic rangefinder is also usually restricted to destroyers and larger vessels. But the lasher is an exception.

It seems to me that the baseline brawler ought to be better designed for its intended function. And you could really stick with the basic restrictions for escort package, as destroyers are the only ship class that get the optomized bonuses.

[CABLES]

- i still love the classic AMB/swarmer omen combo. it's just an absolute rockstar even if it still struggles a bit against large REDACTED fleets and SUPER ALABASTER.
- usually some kind of support role. gumming up the battle line, supplemental point defense, and/or killing other frigates.
- don't really care for either, honestly. glimmer in particular requires waaaay too much micro to be fun for what's essentially an ion pulser/HVB with engines and HEF.
- monitors? in this economy? what really killed them imo was the AI changes that causes them to ignore frigs that aren't actually threatening. sure, it was cheesy, but now they just don't really have any use compared to frigs that can deal actual damage like omens and tempests.
- TT brawler is cute.
- i love the omen so much. afflictor is... fine? i don't usually run phase ships aside from flying a harbinger myself every once in a while.
- i have a soft spot for lashers in general. ultra-cheap kinetic support or ultra-cheap SO objective capturing are both solid, especially early-game.

[Killer of Fate]

just Afflictor, cause I hate watching my fleet beat up an Apex for twenty minutes...

Standard AMB with Reapers, but I put an IR Pulse Laser on its head so that it does not overkill Hounds or do some other dumb stuff like that. It also probably helps kill fighters, etc. But I mostly just use it cause I know it's the only thing that makes it better than (P) Afflictor, so not using it is a waste. No, wait... I'm confusing (P) Shade with (P) Afflictor. (P) Afflictor lacks missile slots...

I also like Scarab as a concept, but I'm not sure how to build it yet.

[Sinigr]

just Afflictor, cause I hate watching my fleet beat up an Apex for twenty minutes...

Now show how good it is, how it is at hunting 5 remnant ordos.

[Killer of Fate]

just Afflictor, cause I hate watching my fleet beat up an Apex for twenty minutes...

Now show how good it is, how it is at hunting 5 remnant ordos.

in case you thought I was flexing, the point was my fleet sucks at dealing anti-armour, so I reinforce it with something that increases damage against armour...

also, why does Apex has more hull durability than the *** Grendel, for the love of god