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[Excretusmaximus]

I've been running 1 Paragon, 3 Fury, 4 Shrike, and a buttload of Omens/Wolfs/Tempests for awhile, and it's not working anymore.  I've reached the point where the enemy fleets are rocking 2-4 capitals and/or heavy cruisers and I'm getting destroyed.

What is a recommended high-tech fleet composition once capitals become a regular thing?

I really want to stick with high-tech unless it's absolutely not possible; I've spent like 50 hours grinding rep, finding blueprints, and grinding the cash to get my fleet going ... the idea of starting over with another fleet doctrine is really depressing.

[Grievous69]

Seems to me that's an anti synergistic fleet comp. You have one ship that's incredibly slow yet is the only one that can take a serious beating. Then everything else is pretty much a hit and run ship which needs a distraction in the first place. I mean Omens are good at tanking but they don't provide support fire. So I'd either go full speed mode and get an Odyssey instead of the Paragon; or get rid of all Shrikes, leave 2 Furies maybe and get a couple of Apogee so you can have long range missile firepower. They're not amazing combat ships but they have large missiles and strong shields.

If all that doesn't suit you much, just replace everything but frigates with Auroras, they're really good now.

[Cruacious]

Furies are far too weak for main line use, replace them with 2 Aurora's and 2 Apogees IMO. The Aurora's can run flank and brawl-down most cruiser level threats while the Apogees can escort the Paragon and provide supplementary firepower. Also, try and get some Afflictors to be annoying flankers when you can.

[JasonQog]

Why not add some Hyperions to your fleet, they are really expensive but the speed and firepower lets them take on almost any cruiser, having a pair of them attack an isolated Capitol or just harassing one leaves the rest of your fleet time to dispatch cruisers and capitols. not the best at hunting down frigates or destroyers, but slower ships tend to get flanked and destroyed quite quickly.

I like having a fleet of them as backup on my main system 9 Hyperions can cause some mayhem. Standard weapons composition and Auxiliary Thrusters, Heavy Armor and (...umm) Hardened Systems (I think its called, for extended combat as it adds 60 sec) as built in and Extended Missiles paired with the other missiles upgrade makes them really deadly, and tanky while their size and ability to jump in and out makes them hard to destroy.

Negative traits are that they cannot stay in combat long and after they run out of missiles they are a bit weak against capitols. best tactic is probably to use them as harassment, zooming in, hitting hard and zooming out.

Gawd i love that ship.

[Kohlenstoff]

Add heavier fleet to your Paragon. Add slightly more aggressive Officers to faster ships to balance difference of incoming damage out. Use more cautious officers on Paragon if it gets too much. Your fleet works best if incoming damage is dispersed evenly. Mixing aggression level of officers helps to balance it out.

And keep pulling single ships back if they get targeted too much. And let them go again if they are good again. Having  a fast flagship to pull between enemy and own ships in emergency situations helps alot too. You don't need to tank damage for long time. Just to be there for a few seconds while shooting some rounds towards the enemy.

[nathan67003]

I'm insane and would probably use mainly capitals. If you wanna stay high-tech, I'd say to come with a few Paragons and specialize each of them. For instance: once focused on PD and tanking (VERY useful), one focused on constant pressure (so things like plasma cannons), one focused on more situational things (strike capacity with tachyon lances, armor-oriented with fusion lasers, etc.). Idk if it's still viable, but back in 0.95a I used to have a Paragon built for tanking and some other capitals as support/damage dealers (not Paragons) and I could chew through most things the game threw at me. If you have the [VERY REDACTED], making good use of its strike capabilities is VERY important. Do not let yourself be surrounded, focus on adds rather than big targets.

[Sendrien]

I've been running 1 Paragon, 3 Fury, 4 Shrike, and a buttload of Omens/Wolfs/Tempests for awhile, and it's not working anymore.  I've reached the point where the enemy fleets are rocking 2-4 capitals and/or heavy cruisers and I'm getting destroyed.

What is a recommended high-tech fleet composition once capitals become a regular thing?

I really want to stick with high-tech unless it's absolutely not possible; I've spent like 50 hours grinding rep, finding blueprints, and grinding the cash to get my fleet going ... the idea of starting over with another fleet doctrine is really depressing.

Assuming you're keeping with the High Tech theme, at this stage in the game, you need to ditch the following ships:

Fury
Shrike
Wolf
Tempest

And replace with some of the following:

Aurora
Paragon
Ziggurat
Astral
TT Brawler
Harbinger
Radiant

My favourite is the Aurora, because it can solo both a fleet of many small frigates, but also take out some capitals. Built properly, it's a great all-purpose vessel to have in your high tech fleet. I run around with 3 Auroras.

[Excretusmaximus]

Thanks everyone.

I'll make the changes I can right now and work toward some of the others, and let you know how it goes.

I did notice almost no one says to take more than one Paragon, and the Atlas is never mentioned at all.  Why is that?

[Wyvern]

Atlas isn't mentioned because support ships are support ships. You don't, as a general rule, put them into combat, and which ones you use are largely /shrug. Atlas works. A bunch of Colossi works. Anything smaller than the Colossus is probably a bad call though.

As for multiple Paragons: This can be really strong... against highly-aggressive opponents that won't retreat much.  Four Paragons is my old go-to for "I am a bored high-level player who wants to farm AI cores with minimal-to-no risk and without bothering to pilot anything myself."
They're also pretty good at anti-station work, though a player-controlled Legion XIV is probably better, what with missiles letting you front-load damage output a lot.

I will also contradict some of the other advice you've gotten and suggest that you keep one Fury. Give it SO, and pilot it yourself for the times you find yourself fighting fleets that are too big to just deploy a few Tempests, but too small to justify the deployment cost of an Aurora. An SO Fury is a really really good ship for punching down at fleets that don't deserve the big guns.

[Sendrien]

Thanks everyone.

I'll make the changes I can right now and work toward some of the others, and let you know how it goes.

I did notice almost no one says to take more than one Paragon, and the Atlas is never mentioned at all.  Why is that?

More than one Paragon is absolutely the way to go if you are planning on high-tech only. But if you're not such a purist, you might consider the other capitals from the other factions. They can all be made to function extremely well.

[Excretusmaximus]

Atlas isn't mentioned because support ships are support ships.

I'm an idiot, and meant the Astral...

[Sendrien]

Atlas isn't mentioned because support ships are support ships.

I'm an idiot, and meant the Astral...

Well, the Astral isn't at all what I would call a Best in Class addition to your fleet (unlike the Aurora), but I assumed you were looking only in the High Tech selection pool. If that's not the case, you should definitely look at the other carriers, as they offer a lot of value for their DP.

I also forgot to mention the Odyssey. If you are a competent pilot, you should build one and use it as your flagship, while giving the Paragons to your officers.

[Cruacious]

Atlas isn't mentioned because support ships are support ships.

I'm an idiot, and meant the Astral...

Well, the Astral isn't at all what I would call a Best in Class addition to your fleet (unlike the Aurora), but I assumed you were looking only in the High Tech selection pool. If that's not the case, you should definitely look at the other carriers, as they offer a lot of value for their DP.

I also forgot to mention the Odyssey. If you are a competent pilot, you should build one and use it as your flagship, while giving the Paragons to your officers.

Actually, which carriers would you use? I personally do like the Astral because of the recall system, but I understand why some people don't. Just... No Legions. They're not that good.

[nathan67003]

Astral is an excellent carrier, as long as you outfit it properly for the role you want it to have. I'd personally recommend REDACTED drones because LUL NO CREW, tactical lasers, integrated PD AI and generally support weaponry (missiles would possibly be LRMs for that long-winded capacity). Now all you have to do is choose which roles you want the fighters to choose: interceptor, fighter or bomber. Iirc the wiki says that a single bomber wing will prevent the AI from using the Escort action to support allied ships, but that may be largely outdated.

[Ronin]

I'm surprised that Furies didn't get more love in recommendations; I personally use them as a flexible backbone with supporting frigates (excluding wolf) and an anchor of your choice. I typically field four or five of them and use two or three at a time to strike the edges and ships that are out of formation, although you have to be careful with those orders. I also tend to support these strikes by driving a wedge between the target in question and the enemy fleet with my flagship. This synergy favors mobility over all else I believe, but the shields can absorb quite a bit before backing off.

As for a carrier, I'd go with a Heron with Daggers or Tridents because of it's mobility and it's ability makes individual strikes more accomplishing. If it needs something to hide behind it can hang out with your anchor.