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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #30 on: June 01, 2024, 08:03:45 AM »

DISTRACTION CARNIFEX Onslaught with shunt and every defensive hullmod (and the new elite skill) is just disgusting, honestly. It will not live long, but it really doesn't need to. Honestly this specific build is the only reason i agree with SO being banned on capitals.
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #31 on: June 01, 2024, 08:13:57 AM »

Question for you ship build enthusiasts: which ships have you found to best employ Shield Shunt, and how much PD is needed to support running around without shields?
when i find i tap out (overheat) way too easily on a battleship I play myself. I don't trust the AI to know how to use it properly. Oh, and the combat endurance skill - when elite - repairs a good chunk of hull health during the battle.
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #32 on: June 01, 2024, 10:47:10 AM »

I am not currently playing the game. But had anyone tried a shield shunted Falcon as a harasser type?

With some speed and maneuverability buffs, elite helmsmanship, And the longest range you can possibly give it. It seems like the 0-flux speed boost would kick in any moment it's not actively shooting. Combine that with some hvds and maybe a pair of Xyphos.
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #33 on: June 01, 2024, 12:54:52 PM »

I am not currently playing the game. But had anyone tried a shield shunted Falcon as a harasser type?

With some speed and maneuverability buffs, elite helmsmanship, And the longest range you can possibly give it. It seems like the 0-flux speed boost would kick in any moment it's not actively shooting. Combine that with some hvds and maybe a pair of Xyphos.
The dps sounds atrocious, the xyphos would be shortranged compared to the hvds, and the AI likely isn't smart enough to stop shooting to get some distance if something targets it.
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2024, 11:57:57 AM »

I found it to be worth it on Onslaught IVX version with aggresive officer and some essential skills combined with hullmods.

Every other ship that isnt a capital ship, will get outranged and destroyed by enemys capital ship. I have tried it on Dominator and on Eradicator with Accelerated Ammo Feeder.

That being said, range is a must for Shield Shunt ship.

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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2024, 04:33:22 PM »

Main problem with shunt is simply giving up the main benefit of any shield, even bad ones - replenishing health. No amount of armor will compesate for this. There is a way to get health back, on Elite Combat Endurance, but even that is finite, in essence giving you an extra HP pool if you don't get bursted to death first. Lack of regen will always make Shield Shunt niche pick at best, for the few ships where +% armor bonus is noticeable, and useless everywhere else.

Now, if there was a way to truly regenerate armor or health, that would change things - but this is in the domain of mods.

This is true if you are trying to smash multiple ordos at once. But for most battles, a strong opening can mean a decisive victory.

Shield shunt acts a little like Safety overrides in practice; you have a high firepower ship that punches hard, burns bright and does not back down... For a little while.

It CAN be effective; But you need to keep a tighter control on your fleet- Only having your SS ships attack where you know they will overwhelm the enemy very quickly. Behaviour wise,  it makes the AI fight much more aggressively. And unlike Safety overrides your ships have some range, so they can tagteam opponents more effectively.

It's not for everyone, but I do recommend you give it a try. It's a very fun, reckless style.
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2024, 12:12:16 AM »

I am not currently playing the game. But had anyone tried a shield shunted Falcon as a harasser type?

With some speed and maneuverability buffs, elite helmsmanship, And the longest range you can possibly give it. It seems like the 0-flux speed boost would kick in any moment it's not actively shooting. Combine that with some hvds and maybe a pair of Xyphos.

Not specifically, but I don't expect this to work.  Part of effective harassment from a falcon is a battle of attrition.  It goes in and out of combat range to try and do chip damage, then retreating to recover flux before it takes chip damage.  Shunt works actively against it by forcing you to take chip damage every time. 
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2024, 01:04:04 AM »

The best idea in this thread so far is in an SO fleet to so they burn the entire capacitor and stay in combat after, instead of trying to retreat and recover flux.   
 
But the best ship I can think of to do that with is the Centurion or Vanguard due to the damper field.  And the Vanguard is the better option, but doesn't have a shield to shunt... 

Maybe I'm thinking too small?   What a about a SO Dominator? 
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #38 on: June 05, 2024, 04:31:27 AM »

SO sacrifices range, and thus causes your lowtech ships to start tripping over one another, and to take massive damage at the moment of every kill.

It also sacrifices PPT, which means you can't hold your shield shunt ships back for the perfect moment.

While I'm sure you can make SO and SS work together. Shield shunt is better used as an alternative strategy.
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #39 on: June 05, 2024, 12:14:55 PM »

SO sacrifices range, and thus causes your lowtech ships to start tripping over one another, and to take massive damage at the moment of every kill.

It also sacrifices PPT, which means you can't hold your shield shunt ships back for the perfect moment.

While I'm sure you can make SO and SS work together. Shield shunt is better used as an alternative strategy.

Wouldn't a Dominator be soloing or duoing something right?   I can't imagine it's going to be 3 on 1 till near the end of a fight. 
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #40 on: June 09, 2024, 08:46:46 AM »

SO sacrifices range, and thus causes your lowtech ships to start tripping over one another, and to take massive damage at the moment of every kill.

It also sacrifices PPT, which means you can't hold your shield shunt ships back for the perfect moment.

While I'm sure you can make SO and SS work together. Shield shunt is better used as an alternative strategy.

Wouldn't a Dominator be soloing or duoing something right?   I can't imagine it's going to be 3 on 1 till near the end of a fight.

I fouid that SS only works on capitals.

I have tried it on Dominator and Eradicator, but they both got outranged and slowly destroyed by an enemy capital ships.

Here is my curent "THE BEST" build for Onslaught.

Edit: yea im thinking about building in other hullmods... etc and probably swapping out Jackhammers with Reapers. more DPS
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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #41 on: June 09, 2024, 08:49:51 AM »

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Re: When is Shield Shunt worth it?
« Reply #42 on: June 14, 2024, 08:26:09 AM »

If a ship doesn't have shields (or phase) then it can't be overloaded.  Put it on a ship that counts as "almost always recoverable" and is fast enough to keep up with enemy destroyers.  Make sure it has enough flux to keep up with all its weapons, give it to a reckless officer with strong kinetics and watch it force openings for your fleet as it relentlessly jackhammers whatever it can reach.  Just make sure your fleet can exploit said openings and enjoy.
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