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Sutopia

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[0.95.1a] Fair S Mods v1.1
« on: March 10, 2022, 11:00:44 PM »

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Requires CONCORD 3.5 or above version



This mod is meant to make building in cheaper hullmods viable.
For example, if you build in an "Advanced Turret Gyros" on a capital which originally costs 10 OP, the difference is 20 OP, so you get 20 OP * 75% = 15 OP added to your hull.

Using Better Deserved S Mods or Progressive S Mods reduce the effectiveness to 25%; Using both nullifies the mod.
The ratios and base bonus multipliers are adjustable in settings file (data/config/settings.json)

The mod can be added mid-game and is automatically applied.
The mod is currently SAFE TO REMOVE after CONCORD 3.5.2a
« Last Edit: March 12, 2022, 01:48:22 PM by Sutopia »
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A_Random_Dude

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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #1 on: March 11, 2022, 12:28:41 AM »

Hum... Looks interesting, but one question: 20 OP difference compared to what?
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #2 on: March 11, 2022, 12:43:21 AM »

Hum... Looks interesting, but one question: 20 OP difference compared to what?

In the above example, 30 - 10 = 20.

30 is the S-Mod Compensation hullmod's upper threshold for capital ships (5/10/20/30).
10 is the usual cost for Advanced Turret Gyros on a capital ship (2/4/6/10).
So the difference between the two is 20 OP.

Finally, multiply that by 75% and you get 15 OP refunded.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #3 on: March 11, 2022, 12:44:40 AM »

Ooooooh, I see!

Thanks for the clarification, my dumb brain absolutely wasn't getting it!
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #4 on: March 11, 2022, 12:47:40 AM »

What happens when the hullmod costs more than the upper limit?

Such as the Augmented Drive Field costing 40 on capitals. I'd assume nothing and it gets S-Modded as normal, but best to ask.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #5 on: March 11, 2022, 12:51:43 AM »

What happens when the hullmod costs more than the upper limit?

Such as the Augmented Drive Field costing 40 on capitals. I'd assume nothing, but best to ask.

If a particular hullmod's class-adjusted OP cost exceeds the 5/10/20/30 threshold... you simply don't get any OP refunds when you S-mod that hullmod.

After all...
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This mod is meant to make building in cheaper hullmods viable.

This is Sutopia's way of "compensating" players who would normally avoid converting low OP hullmods into S-mods.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #6 on: March 11, 2022, 03:26:19 AM »

Could you please include the list of hullmods and their refund values on S-Mod Compensation tooltip? Do include an entry with 0 if it does not contribute anyway...
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Sutopia

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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #7 on: March 11, 2022, 08:09:45 AM »

Could you please include the list of hullmods and their refund values on S-Mod Compensation tooltip? Do include an entry with 0 if it does not contribute anyway...

Not entirely sure if it would work well since current implementation is adding all the differences of applicable hullmods then modify it by x0.75, and finally math floor it. It would be awkward if I displayed the floored value for individual hullmods since it may not add up; and doesn’t make much sense displaying float value.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #8 on: March 12, 2022, 08:36:48 AM »

Using Better Deserved S Mods or Progressive S Mods reduce the effectiveness to 25%; Using both nullifies the mod.

Great mod but I have a question. Is the 25% reduction a deliberate balance decision? If so, would you mind exposing it in a config file so we can adjust it?
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Sutopia

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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #9 on: March 12, 2022, 08:52:47 AM »

Using Better Deserved S Mods or Progressive S Mods reduce the effectiveness to 25%; Using both nullifies the mod.

Great mod but I have a question. Is the 25% reduction a deliberate balance decision? If so, would you mind exposing it in a config file so we can adjust it?

Sure! Lemme do that in a few hours
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods
« Reply #10 on: March 12, 2022, 01:49:14 PM »

Using Better Deserved S Mods or Progressive S Mods reduce the effectiveness to 25%; Using both nullifies the mod.

Great mod but I have a question. Is the 25% reduction a deliberate balance decision? If so, would you mind exposing it in a config file so we can adjust it?

1.1 is up with configurability.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods v1.1
« Reply #11 on: April 04, 2022, 11:12:50 PM »

Does anyone else get missing mouse-over descriptions of mounted weapons on some of their ships when Fair S-Mods is enabled?
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods v1.1
« Reply #12 on: April 08, 2022, 10:03:52 AM »

I do/did. Removing this fixes it. Dunno if it's Concord or what.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Fair S Mods v1.1
« Reply #13 on: June 05, 2022, 11:04:10 PM »

yeah, i thought it was a different mod, but having tried reporting it to that mod's author and them telling me it wasn't theirs, along with just today figuring out only ships that have had bonus OP added by this mod had the problem, can confirm
https://imgur.com/9dNfT8i screenshot of the issue
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