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Grievous69

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The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« on: April 26, 2020, 01:16:44 PM »

https://twitter.com/amosolov/status/1254488553066844162

Seems like it'll be a decent player ship with the option to put 2 medium missiles on it. Although I think that path will leave it weak after the missiles run out. For Shrike it isn't a big deal since it has destroyer PPT but a cruiser will easily spend those missiles. And since it's light, I'm not too sure if it's gonna be possible to fit Missile racks comfortably.

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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #1 on: April 26, 2020, 01:30:40 PM »

I suppose it might be around the same effectiveness as a falcon? Doesn't look too shabby if it has the flux to back up it;s size as otherwise it might be a little under-gunned when compared to a Medusa.
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #2 on: April 26, 2020, 01:38:42 PM »

Fury looks like a small Aurora with less missiles.  I like to see its flux stats.  If it can comfortably support two Heavy Blasters, 15 DP sounds like a good deal.  (Especially since I dislike most missiles and only use them if I have no other choice.)  I am expecting that it will not be the case and just be an extra large Shrike that can only comfortably support a single blaster, although I guess two sabot pods with racks can make it last a bit longer.
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #3 on: April 26, 2020, 01:42:37 PM »

Thoughts on a Heavy Blaster/Gravaton combo? Because I notice a lot of high tech ships have two medium energy slots so it seems like that could be a reasonable combo for mainline combat.

It does make me wish we had more High Tech or Midline designs of small energy slots as they have to be my most under used weapon group. I just end up sticking PD in them as you always have something better to use. But that might just be a bias (Perhaps I should use less forward facing PD and spam tac lasers?)
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #4 on: April 26, 2020, 01:47:27 PM »

Thoughts on a Heavy Blaster/Gravaton combo? Because I notice a lot of high tech ships have two medium energy slots so it seems like that could be a reasonable combo for mainline combat.
Unless the ship (or your fleet) can stack enough Graviton beams to outpace dissipation, it is more efficient to use Tactical Laser instead of Graviton Beam, if the mount is a medium energy.  Heavy Blaster and Tac Laser is my go-to Tempest loadout.

However, Graviton can be useful for diverting missiles at times.  I guess it can be handy if the ship will brawl against missile users.
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #5 on: April 26, 2020, 01:58:43 PM »

Interesting.

Comparing Fury to Falcon (since they are the same DP and kind of in the same category) in terms of "frontal" firepower...

Falcon:

2 MD Ballistics
2 SM Energy
2 MD Energy
2 SM Missile
(2 Rear SM Energy)

All but 2 SM Energy can focus fire (excepting dumbfire missiles)

Fury:

1 MD Energy
1 MD Missile
1 MD Synergy
2 SM Energy
(4 SM Energy, can't converge on forward target)

The Fury appears to me to have far less firepower than a Falcon (which, itself, isn't a whole lot for a Cruiser). I presume it will be faster...maybe 80-85 speed (with Plasma Jets). I suppose it should be faster than an Aurora (which is frighteningly fast for a large cruiser).

In the Twitter GIF, I think it would be more telling if the Fury tried to maneuver behind the Dominator. I would hope it could easily do so. The Falcon can because Maneuvering Jets increases lateral speed (Plasma Jets is more or a less a burst forward).

I'll try to withhold judgment until I can play around with it but it's going to have less firepower, at less range than a Falcon and perhaps only be marginally faster (at the same cost). I'm not sure the trade-off is worth it. But...we'll see!

It also has a 180 degree Omni Shield which means the Front Shield Conversion will give it 360+half cost. It's kind of an OP tax but I'm ok with that.
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #6 on: April 26, 2020, 02:00:39 PM »

I mean a gravitons 200 dps vs shields vs a tacs 75 isn't that bad right? You might not bypass the venting but losing 200 flux venting from a single ship does help give the heavy blaster a chance to compete.

Because my god the stats of the HB gives it the costs of a large energy weapon but with few of the advantages, it's so expensive!
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #7 on: April 26, 2020, 02:02:01 PM »

I suspect it's going to have flux stats similar to Eagle, considering how Apogee has even better ones and is rated at 18 DP, less than Eagle, and isn't even a dedicated combat ship. We will see how it goes, but I doubt I'll use it, since Falcon is just as cheap, mobile as well and has better prospects than sabots or SO.
I presume it will be faster...maybe 80-85 speed (with Plasma Jets).
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #8 on: April 26, 2020, 02:11:18 PM »

Yeah there's no way it could support 2 Heavy Blasters (maybe with SO), I think even one is going to be pretty much close to its dissipation since Alex said it doesn't have enough flux for all potential forward weapons (2 medium and 2 small energies). And with 4 total small energies that can't even shoot all at one point, guess what they'll always be used for. Build I have in my head is a Pulse laser with Phase lance and a Typhoon maybe, but I'll probably end up with Sabots in the end.

I share the same feeling that it won't be as good as Falcon (which isn't even super strong, just decent). High risk ok reward it seems to me. But yeah for now it's all just in the air because we don't know the stats and its total OP.
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #9 on: April 26, 2020, 02:12:56 PM »

I suppose most Hightech ships are all about cheeky highspeed flanking attacks and escorting astrals/paragons.
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #10 on: April 26, 2020, 02:41:39 PM »

Apogee... I consider that ship undervalued - probably too cheap at 18 DP.  It feels more like a 20 DP ship.

Problem with Falcon/Eagle's energy mounts is they are set so far back that it eats into their range.  At least Fury's big mounts are near the front.

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I mean a gravitons 200 dps vs shields vs a tacs 75 isn't that bad right? You might not bypass the venting but losing 200 flux venting from a single ship does help give the heavy blaster a chance to compete.
Only if it overcomes dissipation.  One graviton will not do it against most ships.  If you plan to have multiple beam ships gang up on one ship, then fine, graviton may get the job done.  But, if ships wander around and get into their separate duels, I do not see them stacking enough beams to be effective, barring exceptions like Eagle or Paragon.

The 200 is anti-shield only, and all of it is soft-flux - bleh!  Against armor, it is only 50.

I use Tactical Laser to pile a little damage against non-shield defenses.  I expect continuous beams to be absorbed harmlessly by shields.

It also has a 180 degree Omni Shield which means the Front Shield Conversion will give it 360+half cost. It's kind of an OP tax but I'm ok with that.
If I plan to spam blasters, I want it anyway for the shield upkeep discount, although I will not say no to 360 shields.  Even with Aurora today, if I pass on missiles and leave most mounts empty aside from blasters, Front Shields are a must for two blaster only Aurora to keep it cool.

Yeah there's no way it could support 2 Heavy Blasters (maybe with SO), I think even one is going to be pretty much close to its dissipation since Alex said it doesn't have enough flux for all potential forward weapons (2 medium and 2 small energies). And with 4 total small energies that can't even shoot all at one point, guess what they'll always be used for. Build I have in my head is a Pulse laser with Phase lance and a Typhoon maybe, but I'll probably end up with Sabots in the end.
I doubt I would even fill the small mounts with anything except some form of PD.  Maybe IR Pulse Lasers for anti-fighter or anti-frigate if those medium mounts do not swivel enough.
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #11 on: April 26, 2020, 02:53:04 PM »

Not impressed to be honest. Looks straight up like a gutted Aurora and even has the same ship system—it better be extremely cheap to deploy. If it has superb flux stats than it may be another story as it will then at least be able to make use of a Heavy Blaster or two Phase Lances. I suppose it'd far more of a destroyer hunter or frigate popper than something you'd match up against other cruisers.

Going two missile will straight up leave you with a single medium energy for a normal gun, then as was mentioned the 4 small energy can't focus on targets to the front. Damn this thing seems severely undergunned, but I guess that's the "light" for you...
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #12 on: April 26, 2020, 03:02:24 PM »

It looks like Fury has the Plasma Burn Shrike and Odyssey use.  If so, it cannot backpedal fast.  Alex wrote Fury costs 15 DP.
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2020, 03:19:46 PM »

First impression is that it's a pointy cutie-pie.

I think these sorts of lighter ships are going to be more valuable in a game where ships are comparatively less common, capitals much less common, and destroyer-leader types are useful to the player for longer.

As well, in a high-tech ships, the thing I would look at is less straight slot count and more flux stats and OP, which Alex is cleverly not showing us (probably because they aren't final yet). If this bad boy has the flux stats to pump out Heavy Blaster shots for a while, and an efficient shield, I'm good with it. Two Sabot Pods and a Heavy Blaster will wreck face. If it has any Universals or Hybrids (and I'd like at least one), it'll have a leg up against enemy shields.

I'm willing to see if it's good before concluding it'll likely be bad.
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Re: The new high tech light cruiser - Fury
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2020, 03:38:39 PM »

I actually forgot to say that looks-wise, it's a mighty wedge. At least here I forgot.
I'm not saying it's bad, but I don't have high hopes for it. It's a bigger Shrike, and (base) Shrike isn't that good. The point about ship rarity is a good one, though, I will have to see how it goes.
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