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Author Topic: Terminator drone and doom class cruiser mine interaction  (Read 1904 times)

Kix

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Terminator drone and doom class cruiser mine interaction
« on: December 06, 2018, 02:01:38 PM »

I have had the unfortunate experience of fighting a doom class in a tempest with the latest update. Its very frustrating when your drones fly into a mine and kills you. The player has no control over the drones, and because of the mine mechanic it is very easy to lose a high value tempest class before you even notice what has happened.

Possible fixes:
allow drones to be recalled (decked)
Allow drones to fly through mines
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Re: Terminator drone and doom class cruiser mine interaction
« Reply #1 on: December 06, 2018, 02:06:05 PM »

Was Doom your opponent or part of your fleet?  Doom costs nearly as much as a capital, and it better punch like one, and it finally does in 0.9.  Your own Doom blowing up one or two of your ships by accident once in a while can be aggravating and it would be nice if the AI did a better job avoiding Mine Strike accidents.
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Re: Terminator drone and doom class cruiser mine interaction
« Reply #2 on: December 06, 2018, 03:12:04 PM »

The power of the doom class is fine. Im not complaining about the mine laying mechanic or its ability to one hit frigates. The problem is that the player, if they choose to play a tempest (or any carrier for that matter) is punished for things that they have no control over.

You need to experience this to know what im talking about. The first few times i just though the mines exploded in close proximity for no reason and I was not aware of some mechanic.
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Re: Terminator drone and doom class cruiser mine interaction
« Reply #3 on: December 06, 2018, 05:47:00 PM »

I've had this happen as well, mine goes off almost instantly if it spawns near the drone and give the tempest no time to react or avoid. I didn't realize it was the drone at the time, and I hadn't piloted a doom yet so I wasn't aware that the mine shouldn't go off immediately.
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Re: Terminator drone and doom class cruiser mine interaction
« Reply #4 on: December 06, 2018, 06:42:29 PM »

@ Kix:  I had a few accidents with Mine Strike, on both sides.  Sometimes, I cannot be too trigger-happy laying mines near my own ships.  It is not too common, but it could be better.

On the other hand, mines exploding so swiftly work to my benefit more often than not by gibbing small pesky enemy ships immediately.
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Re: Terminator drone and doom class cruiser mine interaction
« Reply #5 on: December 06, 2018, 11:58:05 PM »

I think mines are generally unfun and unfair.
They slaughter frigates like crazy, and all a Doom/Starfort needs to do to get a free frigate kill is put a mine in the path of a ship that cannot instantly shield that mine (i.e. has a frontal shield or a meat-based brain).
Mines attract a lot of complaining, far more than any other weapon.

Non-teleporting mines would be absolutely fine by me, but a teleporting weapon should not do such absurd damage.
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Re: Terminator drone and doom class cruiser mine interaction
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2018, 12:07:34 AM »

Yeah, Doom mines are single greatest threat to player piloted phase frigates.
Mines pop really close (since Afflictor does not have much of shield/collision radius) and the only option to evade them during phase cooldown is instantly dodging (which gets very difficult, since character-skill boosted Afflictor is so fast).
Enemy Doom is highest priority for my Reaper Afflictor (AM blaster is no good, since Defensive Systems 3 x4 phase time modifier backfires against other phase ships).

This can be probably somewhat mitigated by braking to zero before unphasing, at cost of less efficient CR time usage.
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Re: Terminator drone and doom class cruiser mine interaction
« Reply #7 on: December 07, 2018, 04:36:27 AM »

Simply add a set-up time like reapers should easily do the work?
For instance, a mine is unable to go off within X seconds when spawned, even if rammed.
But then it will be a tricky balance for player unable to lay mines properly to instantly blow the incoming threats. It will get over-nerfed as a player ship and noone would want to play it.
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