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Title: Manticore Thread
Post by: 1glitchycent on December 11, 2021, 12:00:00 PM
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Post manticore builds.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: 1glitchycent on December 11, 2021, 12:00:23 PM
also how do I embed an image
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Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: Grievous69 on December 11, 2021, 12:13:03 PM
My current one in campaign, I tried to go a different route (but similar to you) since MkIX seems like an optimal pick 90% of the time. Cool ship on paper but for me it's still kinda peculiar, stingy on OP as well.
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Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: IonDragonX on December 11, 2021, 01:09:12 PM
NVM, Just me being illeterate.
Just in case there is any misunderstanding : You don't actually need to put a Large Ballistic in the Large Ballistic slot to get the highest benefit of Ballistic Rangefinder. You could put a HVD in there and it would have 1100 range all by itself.
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Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: Alex on December 11, 2021, 01:13:01 PM
(Not quite! The bonus goes up to 900 base range maximum, when there's a large ballistic slot. So the HVD would not be affected, but for example a heavy mortar or an Arbalest in that slot would get range 900.)
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: Grievous69 on December 11, 2021, 01:19:52 PM
Quote from: IonDragonX on December 11, 2021, 01:09:12 PM
Just in case there is any misunderstanding : You don't actually need to put a Large Ballistic in the Large Ballistic slot to get the highest benefit of Ballistic Rangefinder. You could put a HVD in there and it would have 1100 range all by itself.
Oh yeah I'm aware, and it's cool that it works that way. I just don't see myself putting any medium ballistic on a Manticore as that large ballistic is pretty much the whole point of the ship. I'm just glad that a Mjolnir build can mostly work with enough skills, I've always wanted a ship that can use this weapon and not feel bad.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: Amoebka on December 11, 2021, 05:49:47 PM
Admittedly, this is a support build to go with Eradicators, but I still feel like Mjolnir is too hungry for this ship.

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Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: intrinsic_parity on December 11, 2021, 06:50:24 PM
I feel like Mark IX + harpoons is my favorite unskilled build. I'm messing around with the Mjolnir and an officer right now.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: DNAturation on December 12, 2021, 01:04:19 AM
The first thing that comes to mind when I see medium missile slots on a smallish hull? Pilum mass
The first thing that comes to mind when I see a large ballistic slot on a small hull? Gauss

With the manticore you can now have both meme builds in one ship!
Works surprisingly well, 12 of these took out 2 paragons losing only 1 ship.

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Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: SCC on December 12, 2021, 01:05:24 AM
Pilums are actually decently good now, so it's no surprise.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: 1glitchycent on December 12, 2021, 06:31:57 AM
Quote from: Amoebka on December 11, 2021, 05:49:47 PM
Admittedly, this is a support build to go with Eradicators, but I still feel like Mjolnir is too hungry for this ship.

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The shield shunt seems to help a lot with the poor flux management on the Manticore imo.
Also a Gauss cannon in the large mount + needlers absolutely *** everything
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: IonDragonX on December 12, 2021, 08:40:40 AM
Quote from: DNAturation on December 12, 2021, 01:04:19 AM
The first thing that comes to mind when I see medium missile slots on a smallish hull? Pilum mass
The first thing that comes to mind when I see a large ballistic slot on a small hull? Gauss
With the manticore you can now have both meme builds in one ship!
Works surprisingly well, 12 of these took out 2 paragons losing only 1 ship.
If you are going to spam out 12 Destroyers like that, they don't need Expanded Missile Racks when they all have Pilums. Try putting Nav Relay or Converted Hangar(Wasp wing) on them instead.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: FenMuir on December 12, 2021, 04:56:41 PM
I have two version of the Manticore:
Thy seem to perform their roles well enough.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: Kanjejou on December 13, 2021, 12:29:51 PM
Even as a super cheap support Hellbore Canon carrier its very good
1 Hellbore canon 3LAC 2Pilum launcher max capcity th e rest in vent.

Can stand aginst anything and always support throught the pilum or superior range, it only struggle against frigates.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: Zuthal on December 13, 2021, 05:38:52 PM
Kinetics plus Typhoons seems like a really good build for it to me. This specifically is with Ordnance Expertise *and* Flux Regulation, but even flying it myself without OE, it felt pretty nice - and with Missile Spec on the officer, it really doesn't need the builtin EMR that much. Could probably build in ITU plus something else instead. 3050 kinetic damage per full burst quickly gets destroyer shields into a range where a reaper can overload them, and a reaper-induced overload (especially if it is from two reapers hitting) gives enough time for you to get another volley in.

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And yes, while I am playing with Starship Legends, this specific ship doesn't have any traits that would affect its flux stats - Ordnance Expertise is just that good.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: Thaago on December 13, 2021, 06:27:35 PM
I'd even go so far as to say that build has more dissipation than it strictly needs and it could cut the vents down by 10 to add move caps or hullmods! Which is a crazy thing to say about a low tech build.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: Zuthal on December 13, 2021, 06:57:51 PM
Quote from: Thaago on December 13, 2021, 06:27:35 PM
I'd even go so far as to say that build has more dissipation than it strictly needs and it could cut the vents down by 10 to add move caps or hullmods! Which is a crazy thing to say about a low tech build.

Oh definitely! As I said, it was perfectly playable at just the 580 dissipation from full vents with FR. And honestly, if not using builtin hullmods/using those for other things, I'd probably spend those 10 OP on possibly even Unstable Injectors - bring her up to 100 speed to be able to keep up with even hightech destroyers. Still a bit over 750 range on the Mark IX even with that.

Or of course, for the luxury build: Build in UI and ITU, and both outrange and speedmatch all those fancy hightech destroyers, while being able to have a decent shield capacity as well.
Title: Re: Manticore Thread
Post by: Amoebka on December 13, 2021, 07:28:27 PM
Intentionally not getting any caps so your polarized armor gets to a higher bonus earlier is the true galaxy brain move though.