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Why's the economy so dead? Smuggling barely covers your costs.Procurement's allowance ontop of your costs and bounty hunting...Hardly see a difference.

[Histidine]

Why's the economy so dead? Smuggling barely covers your costs.Procurement's allowance ontop of your costs and bounty hunting...Hardly see a difference.

Been a while since I played, but I'm pretty sure the consensus is that smuggling is hugely profitable if you actually look for good margins. Procurement missions (buy the goods yourself) have a 100% or better gross margin (and no tariffs on the recipient end), and delivery missions (contact gives you the goods) are almost free money.

Are you using a fleet that's way too large for its cargo space? Running into hyperspace storms?

[Chairman Suryasari]

Why's the economy so dead? Smuggling barely covers your costs.Procurement's allowance ontop of your costs and bounty hunting...Hardly see a difference.

Try to find a good margins, for example, a recently raided mining colony usually have a high demand of drug, because the shortage. Always check the margin when you're a market, press f1 on the item to check the margin or use Galactic Market mod.

Vanilla tool tips

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Galactic Markets - https://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=19383

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And don't force your fleet to use high-tech ship, your supply line will kill you before your enemy do. Lowtech is perfect for smuggling if you know how to hide yourself properly.

Or if you want the easy way you can exploit Donn and Kanta Den. Actually you can do it with Donn alone.

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https://youtu.be/ciEor0sKz5I

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[Helldiver]

In the opening post one of the features listed is joining a faction, how does that differ from being commissioned and where does one find the option? Or is it only doable when selecting a faction at the start?

Also, when starting with a selected faction, campaign objectives like system nav buoys don't seem to affect my fleet when held by the faction that I started with. Is this a known bug?

[Histidine]

In the opening post one of the features listed is joining a faction, how does that differ from being commissioned and where does one find the option? Or is it only doable when selecting a faction at the start?

It's just the regular commission really, although this does more stuff in Nex than in vanilla (things like your personal relationship changes affecting your faction, being able to buy governorships, being expected to hand over planets you conquer, that sort of thing).

Also, when starting with a selected faction, campaign objectives like system nav buoys don't seem to affect my fleet when held by the faction that I started with. Is this a known bug?

It's sort of how it works right now (unchanged from vanilla), although I might make it apply to player with a commission as well.
(I already did this for comm relay, but not nav buoy or sensor array)

[Helldiver]

It's sort of how it works right now (unchanged from vanilla), although I might make it apply to player with a commission as well.
(I already did this for comm relay, but not nav buoy or sensor array)

I think it would be good (both for gameplay and logic reasons) for campaign buoys/arrays to affect fleets that are currently commissioned or allied to the holding faction. This would also fix the strangeness of you capturing a buoy/array in a system alongside allied fleets (i.e assisting in an invasion/raid) and it being captured for the "player faction" and negating the advantage for allies.

[guto8797]

Thanks for your work, Nexerelin has pretty much become a must install for me. A few tweaks to the config files are all I do, and I will keep an eye on that queued version, seems interesting.

How doable would it be to include a descriptor on markets to state who they originally belong to? Or a more developed feature, have a "History" for every market, detailing invasions, bombing, other major events.

[Twilight Sentinel]

Purely speculation here, but since alliances are in the mod how difficult would it be to split up the Persean League into multiple smaller factions that start in an alliance at the start of the game?  Though I suppose without some changes to the way alliances work with hulls and trading that would significantly weaken the League.

[IonDragonX]

Purely speculation here, but since alliances are in the mod how difficult would it be to split up the Persean League into multiple smaller factions that start in an alliance at the start of the game?  Though I suppose without some changes to the way alliances work with hulls and trading that would significantly weaken the League.

Oooh! Neat idea!

[GenericGoose]

Why's the economy so dead? Smuggling barely covers your costs.Procurement's allowance ontop of your costs and bounty hunting...Hardly see a difference.

Been a while since I played, but I'm pretty sure the consensus is that smuggling is hugely profitable if you actually look for good margins. Procurement missions (buy the goods yourself) have a 100% or better gross margin (and no tariffs on the recipient end), and delivery missions (contact gives you the goods) are almost free money.

I've been looking at trading opportunities and have seen items that 'best place to buy' offer higher prices than 'best place to sell' do, or they are basically the same, even when the place to sell has a shortage of a few hundred units. Can't remember all the items, but I think organs are one of them. Might be a vanilla thing, I'm not sure. Seeing this, I chose to just rob smugglers instead of actually being one, made decent money on that.

[Twilight Sentinel]

Another idea.  With random core sectors, would it be possible to 'unpack' the core a bit?  Say have some of the constellations nearby the core also be colonized.  These would be good places for minor factions to be out on their own for a more dynamic system that resembles a lot of modded core sectors.  They could also be areas where a major faction attempted recent re-colonization efforts or managed to hold onto more distant holdings through the AI wars.

[Histidine]

Purely speculation here, but since alliances are in the mod how difficult would it be to split up the Persean League into multiple smaller factions that start in an alliance at the start of the game?  Though I suppose without some changes to the way alliances work with hulls and trading that would significantly weaken the League.

Yeah, there's quite a lot of work and a bunch of complications involved (the ones you mention, and also things like the loss of a unified response to the Hegemony that potentially allows them to further dominate the sector). It's a cool concept though, I may examine this further at some point.

Another idea.  With random core sectors, would it be possible to 'unpack' the core a bit?  Say have some of the constellations nearby the core also be colonized.  These would be good places for minor factions to be out on their own for a more dynamic system that resembles a lot of modded core sectors.  They could also be areas where a major faction attempted recent re-colonization efforts or managed to hold onto more distant holdings through the AI wars.

I've had an idea for optionally generating some procgen colonies outside the handmade systems (using the existing random sector code), too! Think I'll implement something for the release after the next one.

[Twilight Sentinel]

I've had an idea for optionally generating some procgen colonies outside the handmade systems (using the existing random sector code), too! Think I'll implement something for the release after the next one.

That would be nifty too, but my original idea was to more or less move some of the core sector systems outside of the core sector and into constellations one or two rings out.  Probably with some settings for how often this happens and how far out they could potentially be.  These would be good for single system factions.

[Twilight Sentinel]

There's an issue with sector wide bounties and hostilities.  If your faction or the faction you're commissioned with either has a -50 or close relationship with another faction, and that hostile faction has posted a sector wide bounty then fighting any battles with pirates, pathers, or any other faction that's hostile to the main hostile faction will immediately and unavoidably trigger a ceasefire with the hostile faction.  This can be especially annoying once you have an alliance going.

[akinata]

i have found an easy way to abuse nexerelin to get easy money.
invasion, which are a really nice addition, permit the take over of any planet or starbase.
the problem isn't invasions itself but the abandoning feature.
it request money to do so you will never have to pay (bug?) and give you alot of money as a reward.

in my playthrough i was able to invade a crippled pirate starbase (no defending fleet left because of another faction attacking it, only 50 marines and 5 structures) with 100 fuel (for some bombardment) and 100 marines. which doesn't cost that much.
abandonning the starbase right away gave me 300K.

i didn't payed the requested 50K for population migration or whatever they wanted me to pay for and got enough money in one go to buy a good capital ship.
i guess something isn't worked as intended here.
this can be easily abused.
by far the most low risk high reward thing to do providing you are able to find many of those isolated planets and starbase for you to invade without much loss.


as for the vanishing population it would be great to have an escaping neutral transport fleet flying to the nearest colonized planet (controlled by either you or another faction) adding population but also decreasing stability. (to simulate war immigration).


EDIT: i tried to reproduce this but on a planet and got only some 10K after the 50k fee was deducted from the reward.
i guess i got very very lucky the first time.
still, i am sure i haven't payed any 50k fee when abandoning the space station (was Hades pirate station). i ll do other invading&abaondonning space stations  to reproduce the bug (if it was a bug to begin with) if i find some good targets, and update my post.