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[Shield]

Mmm, this troll food is quite tasty.

*puts troll food down*

you think he would have eaten it by now

[coylter]

Well a rock who would move from one place to another trough quantum mechanics, would appear to appear out of nowhere. According to your view of science that should be proof enough that it did appear out of nowhere.

[SgtAlex86]

been best thread ever :3 had this much fun since.... playing the game ^^ (hadnt had time because duty to debate calls!)
could have been wrong bout that... never really cared one way or another :3

[Iscariot]

Well a rock who would move from one place to another trough quantum mechanics, would appear to appear out of nowhere. According to your view of science that should be proof enough that it did appear out of nowhere.

I'm talking about violating conservation of mass and energy, I don't know what you're talking about.

By the way 'SgtAlex', the speed of light being the fastest thing out there is a part of special relativity, which, as I said, is part of the theory of relativity proposed by Einstein. It being broken does not violate any laws.

[Avan]

Mmm, this troll food is quite tasty.

*puts troll food down*

you think he would have eaten it by now

Would you like some magnets to go with that sir?

[Shield]

Mmm, this troll food is quite tasty.

*puts troll food down*

you think he would have eaten it by now

Would you like some magnets to go with that sir?

Only if they have high ferrous content in them so I can make my anti troll missile that seeks out missiles that makes other missiles that tracks down fighters that fighters can't hit with missiles that throw rocks at missiles.

[Thaago]

For the love of... I play these games to get away from my day job as a physicist.

Iscariot, you are not defending basic science. You are defending the 'We know everything and nothing can change' viewpoint, which is, just in my personal opinion, the OPPOSITE of basic science. Consider the following:

Newtonian mechanics (also known as Newton's 1st, 2cd, and 3rd Laws) works incredibly well to describe the world as we know it. For hundreds of years it held as the laws of how things moved. Then along came a good description of electromagnetics and lo and behold it predicted a finite speed of light that did not respect classical invariant transforms. Paradox and hilarity ensue. Experiment and later Einstein show that in fact Newton was only mostly right, because space and time are not flat things which we just occupy. An interesting note is that Newton actually knew that this was a problem! He just had no data to go farther.

The laws of physics change IF there is experimental data that requires them to change. Often the theories that come to fit the new data predict amazing things, which we then realize.

Personally I don't think we are going to have FTL drives and all that, but not for lack of hope

[Avan]

Mmm, this troll food is quite tasty.

*puts troll food down*

you think he would have eaten it by now

Would you like some magnets to go with that sir?

Only if they have high ferrous content in them so I can make my anti troll missile that seeks out missiles that makes other missiles that tracks down fighters that fighters can't hit with missiles that throw rocks at missiles.

If you want, I can give you some magnetic missile engines.

[Iscariot]

For the love of... I play these games to get away from my day job as a physicist.

Iscariot, you are not defending basic science. You are defending the 'We know everything and nothing can change' viewpoint, which is, just in my personal opinion, the OPPOSITE of basic science. Consider the following:

Newtonian mechanics (also known as Newton's 1st, 2cd, and 3rd Laws) works incredibly well to describe the world as we know it. For hundreds of years it held as the laws of how things moved. Then along came a good description of electromagnetics and lo and behold it predicted a finite speed of light that did not respect classical invariant transforms. Paradox and hilarity ensue. Experiment and later Einstein show that in fact Newton was only mostly right, because space and time are not flat things which we just occupy. An interesting note is that Newton actually knew that this was a problem! He just had no data to go farther.

The laws of physics change IF there is experimental data that requires them to change. Often the theories that come to fit the new data predict amazing things, which we then realize.

Personally I don't think we are going to have FTL drives and all that, but not for lack of hope

Things are becoming incendiary, and I am, again, sorry if I come off as domineering, but I am NOT saying that all we know today will be all we know forever. What I am saying is that it isn't right to insist upon extremely well substantiated scientific laws to just go away for the sake of fitting the future into the sci-fi trope; what I am saying is that it is a MUCH larger leap of logic, by orders of magnitude, to assume that conservation of mass and energy, thermodynamics, and the laws of momentum will be broken to allow stealth, reactionless drives or whatever it is that you want than it is to assume that they WON'T.

What I am defending is a basic respect for science. I don't care if you break them in fiction, fiction is fiction, but if you are seriously under the impression that you can put down a kilogram of iron, wave a wand, and suddenly have three kilograms of uranium you are out of your mind.

[Shield]

Last I checked this was a game and not real life, fail troll is fail troll

*hands out troll food*

Sure you don't want some? I have some kool-aid too.

[Avan]

I have some kool-aid too.

*busts through a wall* OH YEAH!

[SgtAlex86]

For the love of... I play these games to get away from my day job as a physicist.

Iscariot, you are not defending basic science. You are defending the 'We know everything and nothing can change' viewpoint, which is, just in my personal opinion, the OPPOSITE of basic science. Consider the following:

Newtonian mechanics (also known as Newton's 1st, 2cd, and 3rd Laws) works incredibly well to describe the world as we know it. For hundreds of years it held as the laws of how things moved. Then along came a good description of electromagnetics and lo and behold it predicted a finite speed of light that did not respect classical invariant transforms. Paradox and hilarity ensue. Experiment and later Einstein show that in fact Newton was only mostly right, because space and time are not flat things which we just occupy. An interesting note is that Newton actually knew that this was a problem! He just had no data to go farther.

The laws of physics change IF there is experimental data that requires them to change. Often the theories that come to fit the new data predict amazing things, which we then realize.

Personally I don't think we are going to have FTL drives and all that, but not for lack of hope

Things are becoming incendiary, and I am, again, sorry if I come off as domineering, but I am NOT saying that all we know today will be all we know forever. What I am saying is that it isn't right to insist upon extremely well substantiated scientific laws to just go away for the sake of fitting the future into the sci-fi trope; what I am saying is that it is a MUCH larger leap of logic, by orders of magnitude, to assume that conservation of mass and energy, thermodynamics, and the laws of momentum will be broken to allow stealth, reactionless drives or whatever it is that you want than it is to assume that they WON'T.

What I am defending is a basic respect for science. I don't care if you break them in fiction, fiction is fiction, but if you are seriously under the impression that you can put down a kilogram of iron, wave a wand, and suddenly have three kilograms of uranium you are out of your mind.

actually looking at the history its more likely for the laws to be broken than not... modern science has only been done for few hundred years and we are talking about never wich is kinda infinite... 

[Alex]

Ok, this has gone far enough off topic that I think I'll just save everyone some frustration and lock this.