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How can the [REDACTED] use Phase Skimmers on their ships?
« on: May 05, 2025, 02:34:46 AM »

(Somewhat) Recent lore additions have established that AI technology doesn't play well in Phase space. If that is the case how is it that the Remnant ships Lumen and Radiant (Already an outlier by being a capital with it to begin with) can use Phase Skimmers? The System has Phase on the name so i assume it is Phase tech.
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Re: How can the [REDACTED] use Phase Skimmers on their ships?
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2025, 04:41:20 AM »

i suppose being in phase space is different than skimmering it?
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Re: How can the [REDACTED] use Phase Skimmers on their ships?
« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2025, 06:35:57 AM »

I don't know if this is actually canon, but I've read that a Phase Skimmer doesn't actually go into Phase Space but rather "bounce" across the surface like skipping a rock on water.

Edit: I think the above is more interpretation rather than canon.
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Re: How can the [REDACTED] use Phase Skimmers on their ships?
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2025, 03:01:09 PM »

The confusion is understandable because a lot of things seem to use phase and they all relate to P-space. The phase lance goes into P-space (but interesting its lasers can flicker as if being blocked when given a lot of power). Phase anchor will cause "immense distortion in P-space" (whatever that means, probably just something they threw in for balance?) Adaptive phase coils mention thats the reason you slow down is because you can't maintain a connection with normal space making it so the coils struggle to "gain traction." And of course we know that you have to tune or calibrate sensors and coils to make them more or less effective. The Doom codex entry mentions sensitive crew having "unnerving physiological phenomenon" during rapid phase shifts. So its possible humans and AIs are both effected by p-space (or going through p-space) in similar ways.

Phase Skimmer and Phase Teleporter have very little lore about them. With their codex entry having no flavor text and being purely explanations for the mechanic. This makes me think that the devs didn't have much lore attached to phase skimmers/teleporters meaning they may not have thought about how using the word "phase" for skimmer/teleporter would connect them to p-space phase stuff or just assumed phase skimmer/teleporter use p-space in a different less demanding way. It seems like phase skimming is much less demanding and the challenge is moving large amounts of mass than anything else hence the radiant codex entry. They could be the same technology or physics but because its less demanding humans/AIs don't get the same side effects as p-space jumping.

I suppose the moral of my write up is that it is odd they both use the word "phase". But there doesn't seem to be an explanation for if they are related or not. My (uninformed) theory is that phase skimmer/teleporter is something generic they threw together and then later they added phase ships and p-space which coincidently use the same wording but have no connection. Or they just haven't had the time/care to explain how they are similar and are too busy adding The Horrors. The one snag is Ziggy which does (?) have an AI but also seems to hate AI with you getting an event learning that after defeating ziggy is tried to kill an alpha core in your inventory. If Ziggy was using AI it seemed much better at handling p-space which could be explained by it using dorito technology.   
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Re: How can the [REDACTED] use Phase Skimmers on their ships?
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2025, 03:07:58 PM »

Ziggy didn't have an AI officer. The lore implies it was ran by ghosts

the picture does imply that too
Individuals who come into contact with phase space too much become part of phase space itself?

Maybe the ultimate evolution of a Ziggurat is becoming the Shrouded Dweller. Or maybe the Shrouded Dweller is what the Ziggurat was reverse engineered from

Interestingly enough Phase Teleporter and Phase Skimmer are called in the files Displacer and Teleporter

It feels like these things were invented before maybe phase space became a thing in lore. It would be more interesting if they were reverted to not being actually connected to phase space. And instead some other phenomena. Especially considering it would break lore in terms of interaction with phase space and AI if it were to be the way it is now. Unless some specific exceptions are described. Which then would kinda undervalue that aspect

Additionally they don't match colour-wise with space tech which seems to be purple. Displacer and Teleporter are blue
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Re: How can the [REDACTED] use Phase Skimmers on their ships?
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2025, 07:08:32 PM »

Maybe the ultimate evolution of a Ziggurat is becoming the Shrouded Dweller. Or maybe the Shrouded Dweller is what the Ziggurat was reverse engineered from

I personally believe in the latter, mainly due to the vast differences in matter (Ziggurat is very much normal materials while Shrouded Dweller are a lot more exotic).
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Re: How can the [REDACTED] use Phase Skimmers on their ships?
« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2025, 02:06:12 AM »

i am like 65% sure that Captain Zig is the guy who wrote the diary.
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Re: How can the [REDACTED] use Phase Skimmers on their ships?
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2025, 08:26:19 PM »

Ziggy didn't have an AI officer. The lore implies it was ran by ghosts

the picture does imply that too
Individuals who come into contact with phase space too much become part of phase space itself?

Maybe the ultimate evolution of a Ziggurat is becoming the Shrouded Dweller. Or maybe the Shrouded Dweller is what the Ziggurat was reverse engineered from

Interestingly enough Phase Teleporter and Phase Skimmer are called in the files Displacer and Teleporter

It feels like these things were invented before maybe phase space became a thing in lore. It would be more interesting if they were reverted to not being actually connected to phase space. And instead some other phenomena. Especially considering it would break lore in terms of interaction with phase space and AI if it were to be the way it is now. Unless some specific exceptions are described. Which then would kinda undervalue that aspect

Additionally they don't match colour-wise with space tech which seems to be purple. Displacer and Teleporter are blue

maybe P-Space is a plane that is closer to Hyperspace?, phasing would be like tapping a little into the other plane but unlike in Hyperspace without gravity as an assistance to get in and out also without the Drive bubble and Drive field a to maintain you stable?

Edit: maybe is using some principles behind all?
« Last Edit: June 02, 2025, 08:29:31 PM by Pixelzul »
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