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[happycrow]

The Domain kept:

Exploraria forces: frontier exploration and anti-rebellion enforcement.
Battlegroups: patrolling Sector to put down rebellions.

So where did all the Midline and High-Tech ships come from? Who started the mass-manufacture of warships all over the place?

[Green]

Based on the descriptions of many Midline and High tech ships, most of them were made for the Domain Armada during different periods and for differing doctrines.

The 14th Battlegroup mostly uses lowtech/midtech but other battlegroups, garrisons, and units likely used high tech and mid tech too. Not to mention private security forces like that of mega coorps would utilise whatever they wanted.

The mass manufacture of warships came from after the Collapse, though even before it, the Domain with its rapid expansion likely needed a lot of warships in frontier areas as those appear to have been pretty wild, with piracy, rebellions and probably foul play from mega coorps too.

[ChaseBears]

Yeah, it's Domain Navy for the most part. Some of the High Tech ships are purely corporate, like the Odyssey and the Apogee.  And some have been developed by TriTach post collapse.

I've always been kinda unclear why 14th battlegroup was lowtech (excepting the Eagles and Falcons).  They had to have been at minimum hundreds of years behind the times, and it's not like it was hard for the Domain to make new ships.  It makes sense for the *Hegemony* to be low tech; I'd believe that they just don't have the blueprints or knowledge to maintain the high end stuff, especially after the AI Wars.  But the lowtech XIV ships feel anomalous.

It's notable that the Hegemony is even supposed to have a few Astrals, lore-wise, although ingame I think they haven't had them since the Legion was added.

[Ragnarok101]

Yeah, it's Domain Navy for the most part. Some of the High Tech ships are purely corporate, like the Odyssey and the Apogee.  And some have been developed by TriTach post collapse.

I've always been kinda unclear why 14th battlegroup was lowtech (excepting the Eagles and Falcons).  They had to have been at minimum hundreds of years behind the times, and it's not like it was hard for the Domain to make new ships.  It makes sense for the *Hegemony* to be low tech; I'd believe that they just don't have the blueprints or knowledge to maintain the high end stuff, especially after the AI Wars.  But the lowtech XIV ships feel anomalous.

It's notable that the Hegemony is even supposed to have a few Astrals, lore-wise, although ingame I think they haven't had them since the Legion was added.

Logistics, mostly.

The XIVth Battlegroup variants are all tried-and-tested ships built around heavy capital ships (Onslaughts and Legions), their logistically simple to bring along screens (Enforcers, which share parts), and relatively straightforward cruisers (Eagle, Falcon, and Dominator). The guns are 'outdated' but they're not worse.

[Killer of Fate]

Yeah, it's Domain Navy for the most part. Some of the High Tech ships are purely corporate, like the Odyssey and the Apogee.  And some have been developed by TriTach post collapse.

I've always been kinda unclear why 14th battlegroup was lowtech (excepting the Eagles and Falcons).  They had to have been at minimum hundreds of years behind the times, and it's not like it was hard for the Domain to make new ships.  It makes sense for the *Hegemony* to be low tech; I'd believe that they just don't have the blueprints or knowledge to maintain the high end stuff, especially after the AI Wars.  But the lowtech XIV ships feel anomalous.

It's notable that the Hegemony is even supposed to have a few Astrals, lore-wise, although ingame I think they haven't had them since the Legion was added.

There weren't other kinds of XIV ships than the one we see in game most likely. And the reason they are Low Tech is because Domain clings to old ideals.

It's a bit like Dark Souls in that theme of the game. Where progress in both society and technology is staggered by an authoritarian instrument. And the only hope of changing that is an absolute extreme that is pretty much self-destructive in the end (Tri-Tachyon)

...at least that's my interpretation

[happycrow]

My understanding of the lore here has been that XIV Battlegroup was the only Domain Navy in the sector (or near enough to limp to it) at the Collapse. Does the above data imply that the Domain had heavy local garrisons? But in that case, why "Collapse?" These ships are more than capable of not actually requiring Gate traffic in order to ship stuff around...

[Killer of Fate]

My understanding of the lore here has been that XIV Battlegroup was the only Domain Navy in the sector (or near enough to limp to it) at the Collapse. Does the above data imply that the Domain had heavy local garrisons? But in that case, why "Collapse?" These ships are more than capable of not actually requiring Gate traffic in order to ship stuff around...

No, the XIV Battlegroup was coming back from an assignment and got stuck in the Abyss (presumably) and then walked to the Persean Sector for I think 50 years?

Beyond that the Persean Sector was considered an empty fringe which translated to barely anything being there military-wise.

[happycrow]

Beyond that the Persean Sector was considered an empty fringe which translated to barely anything being there military-wise.

Sort of my point, KoF.

[StuffyEvil]

Sort of my point, KoF.

Are you specifying about how Midline or High Tech ships made their way into the Persean Sector specifically?

[Killer of Fate]

Beyond that the Persean Sector was considered an empty fringe which translated to barely anything being there military-wise.

Sort of my point, KoF.

I'm confused, please explain

[happycrow]

XIV limps into theatre, and so far from what we know, there really isn't anything for them to oppose except local piracy and Collapse-fueled warlordism. (x) years later the entire region is flooded with warships. So...where did they come from? Who had and produced them? Outside of the Luddics and Tri-Tac, we have a roughly forty-year vacuum without records of big titanic conflict. Were the warlords potent enough to erode XIV, but we just don't have records on who they were any more? Was the whole Sector a boiling frontier of rebellions where everybody's armed to the teeth but biding their time to avoid the Domain's boot coming down on their faces, and then the Gates failed?

[StuffyEvil]

XIV limps into theatre, and so far from what we know, there really isn't anything for them to oppose except local piracy and Collapse-fueled warlordism. (x) years later the entire region is flooded with warships. So...where did they come from? Who had and produced them? Outside of the Luddics and Tri-Tac, we have a roughly forty-year vacuum without records of big titanic conflict. Were the warlords potent enough to erode XIV, but we just don't have records on who they were any more? Was the whole Sector a boiling frontier of rebellions where everybody's armed to the teeth but biding their time to avoid the Domain's boot coming down on their faces, and then the Gates failed?

Oh, I am pretty sure the independent worlds that will later found the Persean League were still around, e.g. Kazeron.

Also this was before the razing of Mairaath, Opis & Hanan Pacha, so the independent worlds, before the Persean League came into being, were a lot stronger, albeit not as united.

Edit: Adding onto this, one of the Abyssal Hyperspace encounter is a Starliner with the sigil of Opis, which which dates it before the Askonian Civil War. Upon inspecting it, your salvors found a Tri-Tachyon commercial AI Core receptor (or whatever it's called), which dates the ship back to before the 1st AI War.

[Killer of Fate]

XIV limps into theatre, and so far from what we know, there really isn't anything for them to oppose except local piracy and Collapse-fueled warlordism. (x) years later the entire region is flooded with warships. So...where did they come from? Who had and produced them? Outside of the Luddics and Tri-Tac, we have a roughly forty-year vacuum without records of big titanic conflict. Were the warlords potent enough to erode XIV, but we just don't have records on who they were any more? Was the whole Sector a boiling frontier of rebellions where everybody's armed to the teeth but biding their time to avoid the Domain's boot coming down on their faces, and then the Gates failed?

That's a very good question. I was thinking the exact same thing when trying to answer this at first. But wasn't sure if this is what you were asking about

What the *** was Tri-Tachyon doing for 80 years? If they had both Culann and Eochu Bres under their control, they could have pretty much launched a full-scale production of their ships and controlled the Persean Sector. Did Culann not originally have Heavy Industry? If so how long does it to take to set up Heavy Industry and a nanoforge?

We find like 8 during a single playthrough. And it's been very long, so we can only assume before we came onto the scene there were far more of them

[Ragnarok101]

Warships are expensive (when you're not John Starsector who can print money because he graverobbed half the sector for shiny objects). They're also fairly easily to print if you've got a nanoforge, so if you have the crew and expertise in place, you can scale up a navy fairly quickly.

Prior to the arrival of the Hegemony, it was probably a case where the individual independent worlds (no Persean League yet) produced what they needed to fight off pirate armadas and defend their interests but there wasn't the need for full scale war preparations. Tri Tach just wants to do R&D and sell things. The Luddics put all their crazy crusader types in the Path. The Persean League didn't exist, ditto the Diktat.

Then the Hegemony gets declared, a good chunk of the Sector joins or is muscled into it, and suddenly there's an organized military that needs to be opposed with a proper fleet of their own.

We see a lot of background in the codex dedicated to 'yeah we found this blueprint in a derelict halfway across the sector' for various ship types.

[Killer of Fate]

Tri Tach just wants to do R&D and sell things.

I refuse to believe they would do this for fifty *** years

these guys waited to deploy an army of automated ships on fringe worlds where nothing is happening for no particular reason other than wanting to control them. And you are telling me they wouldn't use the 50 years head start to get armed to the teeth and take over the Persean Sector?

And only do that.. Like in 84?

Maybe the way how it was was that Tri-Tachyon spend those 40 years to destroy every other corporation in the Persean Sector.

With Culann, Tibicena, etc. Being owned by their opposition which they had spent that time carefully wiping out and growing very slowly like Caesar's Legion or something.
But that is improbable considering the fact that they are the largest corporation which has produced a whole line of ships. KO Combine doesn't have the 80% of Midline dedicated to them. How would they ever compete against Tri-Tachyon for more than a few years?