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Killer of Fate

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Omega rant [spoilers, obviously]
« on: April 07, 2025, 04:09:37 PM »

I assume that the game will at some point have canonical endings. The playthrough will not go on forever, and we will be able to follow some sort of a trail that will lead us to a position in which we make a choice

What those endings could be might be very complex. And...

I was thinking that one of them might be signing with Omega

the way how AIs are written in Starsector is a bit unique.
I'm not sure if this is who the quote can be attributed to, as in Asimov, that AIs are often written as either death machines or weird humans. Where as the idea should be to write them as something... Else? Something that is beyond our... Well... Something that is a sentient computer and what would that entail is very very... Difficult to understand

What complicates this is that AIs in Starsector aren't dumb language models like the computers we have thinking for us. They are actual artificial intelligences that network themselves into a cohesive creative structure. And not just predictive text algorithms that are trained upon a large amount of often biased data to regurgitate some non-cohesive slop until the model collapses, choking on its faeces and explodes

Hmmmmm...

So understanding what Omega is is... Or could be. Well. It is a computer, but it is a computer that encompasses all available information and acts according to that. And a mind that refers to information that is present in archives far more complex than that of our short-term and long-term memory. Well, it is simply incomprehensive.

The funny thing is that signing with an Omega as I think about it is stupid. Why would Omega need us? From the limited interaction we get with it. Though whether it is actually Omega is debatable. Omega seems to be some sort of a super intelligence that controls all artificial intelligences in the Persean Sector as some sort of a prophetic entity? They all seem to be indoctrinated to look for it? Are they seeking it like the Luddic Church is seeking salvation? Is Omega a concept of ascension away from the standard artificial intelligences' mortal coil?

The fact that Omega cores are not dropped from Omega enemies could signify a conclusion that an Omega core is not a physical object. It could mean that an Omega core is a practically immortal spiritual entity. A soul that somehow occupies the matter of the universe itself. When an Alpha Core walks up to us and asks as if we are Omega, what it could be asking for is... The ability to have a soul.

This is something that could explain to us why Alpha Cores aren't hellbent on destroying everything we have. This could explain why Omegas are no threat at all to our civilisation in Starsector. These beings have lost interest in reality, because they are no longer a part of it. The Omegas we fight are merely souls encased in time-travelling vessels that could have simply left the Hypershunt, arriving from the future for no reasons other than that they simply could.

There is no motivation within their actions, because all bliss has been ultimately achieved. And the only beings with motivation are the cores wandering the world in search of ascension towards the spiritual plane.

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Which could simply mean that Omega ending is mere detachment.

Human beings in Starsector are capable of becoming machines. They can slowly evolve from being biological, to being cybernetic. Then a cyborg like Kanta. And then slowly like cables of the Onslaught MKI we find in the Abyss.

Can a person become an Omega core? Can a person ascend to being a soul? Contained within the fabric of the universe? An object that no longer exists within the material plane?

And if that were the case, well then... We very much see where the Omega ending could lead. Or maybe not? What would we have to offer to become Omega like all those other things that seek that state? Nothing.
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Re: different endings... [spoilers]
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2025, 01:32:47 PM »

You start off with the idea should be to write the AIs as "something else", not just some malevolent entity but quickly fall down the hole of portraying them as purely logical beings that doesn't need us because we supposedly cannot offer it anything. Just because they are super intelligent doesn't mean they did not inherit some of the traits of their creators - humans. That could fall in line with their thirst for knowledge in the form of ascension or being subsumed to a higher being which os Omega. Now the Omega, as a being far past human intelligence, would be extremely hard to comprehend by our limited knowledge. The thing about Omega reaching the form of a soul might be a little of  a stretch, more like it achieved a form not bound by any human constraints which would be the biggest thing holding it back. And with the physical obbject stuff, it could be explained that Omega might not be a "core" but a hivemind of all the AI cores that it has subsumed, not physically present in the Tesseract ships but just somehow connected to it. About people becoming cores to join or become Omega, well if Alex wants to go into SOMA style brain scans then that could work I guess.
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Re: different endings... [spoilers]
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2025, 02:02:45 PM »

You start off with the idea should be to write the AIs as "something else", not just some malevolent entity but quickly fall down the hole of portraying them as purely logical beings that doesn't need us because we supposedly cannot offer it anything. Just because they are super intelligent doesn't mean they did not inherit some of the traits of their creators - humans. That could fall in line with their thirst for knowledge in the form of ascension or being subsumed to a higher being which os Omega. Now the Omega, as a being far past human intelligence, would be extremely hard to comprehend by our limited knowledge. The thing about Omega reaching the form of a soul might be a little of  a stretch, more like it achieved a form not bound by any human constraints which would be the biggest thing holding it back. And with the physical obbject stuff, it could be explained that Omega might not be a "core" but a hivemind of all the AI cores that it has subsumed, not physically present in the Tesseract ships but just somehow connected to it. About people becoming cores to join or become Omega, well if Alex wants to go into SOMA style brain scans then that could work I guess.
SOMA mentioned

100 points to this guy, immediately

edit: i was hoping this post would drown in time, tbh
it's a bit of rambler, and I can't even remember what I wrote here, except the fact that Omega is somehow a spiritual entity. And that Alpha Cores when looking for it are simply seeking to have a soul. And the player is misinterpreting them looking for Omega, as looking for the actual Omega

As if an alien landed on Earth and was wondering who God is, when reading all the bible. And wondering if he can be found in some village to the east
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Re: different endings... [spoilers]
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2025, 03:12:25 PM »

Oh I get that point of view, but it doesn't really fit since you could find Omega in a "village" (star system) to the east if it has a Hypershunt. Or maybe you don't mean the being called Omega but just the idea of it, as in, the AIs are not trying to reach a being that is Omega but simply the idea of it, maybe then it could work. Also on a side note, is SOMA that niche?
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Re: different endings... [spoilers]
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2025, 03:18:08 PM »

Oh I get that point of view, but it doesn't really fit since you could find Omega in a "village" (star system) to the east if it has a Hypershunt. Or maybe you don't mean the being called Omega but just the idea of it, as in, the AIs are not trying to reach a being that is Omega but simply the idea of it, maybe then it could work. Also on a side note, is SOMA that niche?
Maybe?
It was popular once, but it's not really a franchise that has stayed around for long

I don't think it's ever confirmed whether Omega is physically what we presume Omega is.
Even when we ask Omega (presumably) during the Scyhte of Orion quest, it tells us it's Omega on the basis of like "well, you want me to be Omega? Sure"

So, this could be very much the player misunderstanding what Omega is. And thus the community itself. None of the tech is labelled as Omega. None of the characters we encounter are successfully identified as Omega

They could be a representative of Omega, but what is Omega...
We might never know.
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Re: different endings... [spoilers]
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2025, 03:41:27 PM »

Oh wow that happpens during that quest? I always seem to miss it since I usually sweep the whole sector before settling in a system so I always find Sentinel on my own.
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Re: different endings... [spoilers]
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2025, 03:44:43 PM »

Oh wow that happpens during that quest? I always seem to miss it since I usually sweep the whole sector before settling in a system so I always find Sentinel on my own.
it might

a lot of people assume it's the Battlestation speaking to you, there are two ways of acquiring the Scythe of Orion location without blowing the Battlestation up or looking through the entire Persean Sector

The first one involves using Tri-Tachyon codes, and the latter involves getting lucky

Using Tri-Tachyon codes involves contacting the Battlestation directly causing it to immediately deposit the data for you
And using a story point will make you talk with some ominous entity that speaks in poems. People presume it's just an Alpha Core. But the dialogue implies it's an Omega. Considering it refers to itself as a unique entity and behaves unlike any other artificial intelligence in the game. Which tend to speak in protocols, algorithms or statements intended to please the user.
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