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[Sandor057]

The Dedicated Targeting Core is functionally identical to the Integrated Targeting Unit, except you have it by default and it's just a bit worse.

No other hullmod really comes to mind that is plainly worse than something you get either off markets, for exploration, or for investing into the Ballistic Mastery skill (removing it for the price of 1 SP in case you just want the hullmod). What I want to say is, it is very easy to get ITU, and once you have it, there's no reason to ever bother with DTC. I'd rather there was either a difference in function between the two, or ITU would be made baseline and DTC removed altogether.

[Spyro]

Early game s-modding DTC gives you the same bonuses as ITU. Think that's enough of a reason for it to stay.

[Killer of Fate]

I increased the value of hullmods in my mod by 10 times, and the fact that integrated targeting unit is so expensive (but i also increased the chance of finding a hullmod) means that dedicated targeting core actually has meaning in the gameplay...

Also, after removing the Advanced Targeting Core for Guardian, and forcing it to rely on ITU, I realised Derelicts didn't have that. So, I saw it hosting a Dedicated Targeting Core which forms some interesting piece of storytelling...

Please, don't change this. I know it's meaningless and really pointless and whatever. But stuff like this keeps me alive

[Sandor057]

Early game s-modding DTC gives you the same bonuses as ITU. Think that's enough of a reason for it to stay.

True, it can be brought up to the level of ITU. But even as your very first skill you can pick Ballistic Mastery, making DTC obsolete from the get-go.

Please, don't change this. I know it's meaningless and really pointless and whatever. But stuff like this keeps me alive

I also enjoy some obscure technicalities, one rework idea may be to have DTC only work for older ships, granting some other kind of benefit alongside the (compared to ITU) lesser range increase.

[Killer of Fate]

Early game s-modding DTC gives you the same bonuses as ITU. Think that's enough of a reason for it to stay.

True, it can be brought up to the level of ITU. But even as your very first skill you can pick Ballistic Mastery, making DTC obsolete from the get-go.

Please, don't change this. I know it's meaningless and really pointless and whatever. But stuff like this keeps me alive

I also enjoy some obscure technicalities, one rework idea may be to have DTC only work for older ships, granting some other kind of benefit alongside the (compared to ITU) lesser range increase.

that seems weird... Older ships already have Distributed Fire Control

[Sandor057]

While DFC does prevent installing ITU or DTC, it has a different effect. All I am saying is that DTC is redundant and even obsolete as of very early in the game, with ITU being a straight upgrade for no downside.

[Killer of Fate]

While DFC does prevent installing ITU or DTC, it has a different effect. All I am saying is that DTC is redundant and even obsolete as of very early in the game, with ITU being a straight upgrade for no downside.

yeah, but it serves a function in my mod... And it could serve a function in the game... Hullmods being expensive and more difficult to acquire creates interesting factors in the early game. And being able to build the thing in is also really cool...

Removing the Dedicated Targeting Core whilst LOGICAL is not INTERESTING... I enjoy the nature of its OBSOLETE design... I think this is what makes Starsector WHOLE...

[Cryovolcanic]

Agreed, after the first 3 months of a run DTC is just clutter that clogs up the refit screen. Please remove.

[Killer of Fate]

heheheh, lower its cost to 12 (cruiser), 20 (capital ship) op

[Doctorhealsgood]

i see no point on removing it

[Lawrence Master-blaster]

No disassemble.

How about this: change the bonus to flat +range bonus(100/200/300/400) but allow it to be installed on ships with Distributed Fire Control.

[Killer of Fate]

No disassemble.

How about this: change the bonus to flat +range bonus(100/200/300/400) but allow it to be installed on ships with Distributed Fire Control.

that's... Dumb

No offence. It's just, the most horrible idea we could have. This would unearth the most limiting thing about Distributed Fire Control, whilst also forcing the entire game and possibly many mods to be reworked

DFC is probably part of some niche interactions. Like for example if you remove Guardian's Advanced Targeting Core and give ITU, due to the fact that Derelicts don't have ITU, it equips Dedicated Targeting Core instead. Now, with that being gone, and replaced with ITU, sure... Nothing will change probably. But at the same time... Everything could. Who knows!? AAAAAAAA, spookies

[Sandor057]

No disassemble.

How about this: change the bonus to flat +range bonus(100/200/300/400) but allow it to be installed on ships with Distributed Fire Control.

Neat idea, would generally give greater benefits to shorter ranged weapons than ITU. Would fall off for larger hulls and weapon ranges.

that's... Dumb

No offence. It's just, the most horrible idea we could have. This would unearth the most limiting thing about Distributed Fire Control, whilst also forcing the entire game and possibly many mods to be reworked

DFC is probably part of some niche interactions. Like for example if you remove Guardian's Advanced Targeting Core and give ITU, due to the fact that Derelicts don't have ITU, it equips Dedicated Targeting Core instead. Now, with that being gone, and replaced with ITU, sure... Nothing will change probably. But at the same time... Everything could. Who knows!? AAAAAAAA, spookies

Updates do bring loads of changes requiring mod, general ship build and meta adjustments, right?
Feasibly some might have occured with the Converted Hangar rework, the phase ship speed rework (and the introduction of its mitigation, Adaptive Phase Coils), possibly the Assault Package's removal, or the incompatibility between Flux Shunt and SO. And these are just some hullmod related changes, I'd say skill and mechanics reworks affect everything way more.

So objecting on the grounds of changes making more work for modders and players in general is objecting against a new update altogether.

I get the fascination with obscure tidbits, but DTC is plainly outclassed by another hullmod available from day 1. I just want DTC actually being a useful skill, one I should consider for some builds I am making, one that can be fun. Currently it is just something cluttering up my hullmod list.

[Killer of Fate]

well, the best solution I have is to make it cost 12 OP for Cruisers and 20 for Capital Ships

[Brainwright]

It's there to fill in the gap if you don't find ITU early on.  I see no reason to remove it, as destroyers and frigates have other means of dealing with a range disadvantage.