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[Killer of Fate]

Pirates don't have enough capital ships... Same with Luddic Path, but that's a different topic. This makes fighting them eventually quite boring. I know you can sell them blueprints to increase their variety. Which can't be said about Pathers. But would it be a big deal if we got something like a (P) Paragon called Renegade? Something like the Executor. The pride of Kanta?

Renegade btw comes from Mass Effect where the opposite of Paragon was Renegade in terms of karmic alignment.

Now, what could that Paragon do is quite complex. But it could be a prototype of some sort that had the ability similar to the Afflictor. It would poison a selected ship increasing their shield spending. Like you could use it to counter a Radiant by making it spend 100% more flux on its shields. This wouldn't counter Low Tech at all. This is because Paragon already counters Low Tech by having access to long range beam weapons.

Renegade would be equipped with HILs and Autopulse Lasers, and then utilise Low Tech kinetic weapons in its slot.

It's story would be as I mentioned, that it was the original Paragon prototype, but it was redesigned due too being too weak. This is because the Renegade unlike Paragon would have Tempest level shields of 0.8...

Basically a Paragon but with 0.8 shields and a more situational system that would encourage long range beams.

ps. one of the reasons to provide Pirates with a Paragon is to create a good source of PD Lasers. Proper energy PD in the game is actually kinda difficult to acquire in competent quantities and giving Pirates more energy-based ships could solve that issue to some extent

pps. Also, Alex, if u can read this... Could you provide us with a pirate Grendel? Please?

[Nettle]

I would love more capitals for pirates, but probably not Paragon. The Paragon -> Renegade bit is funny though.

[BigBrainEnergy]

I have to agree that Renegade would be the perfect name for a pirate variant of the paragon, but I really can't get behind the idea of a "prototype" paragon. A specially modified one-of-a-kind version that Kanta personally pilots would make more sense. Maybe further down the main story we can get the opportunity to fight her?

If the idea is to give pirate fleets more capitals, you are supposed to do that yourself by selling them blueprints.

[Killer of Fate]

I have to agree that Renegade would be the perfect name for a pirate variant of the paragon, but I really can't get behind the idea of a "prototype" paragon. A specially modified one-of-a-kind version that Kanta personally pilots would make more sense. Maybe further down the main story we can get the opportunity to fight her?

If the idea is to give pirate fleets more capitals, you are supposed to do that yourself by selling them blueprints.

true, but if pirates were actually invasive and hard, why would you do that except to make it funny?

[Mishrak]

The pirate Paragon would only get a front projecting shield but it would also get a special range bonus (similar to Paragon's beam bonus) to large ballistics. Replace all the large energies with large ballistics. And it would have burn drive for some reason.

[Killer of Fate]

The pirate Paragon would only get a front projecting shield but it would also get a special range bonus (similar to Paragon's beam bonus) to large ballistics. Replace all the large energies with large ballistics. And it would have burn drive for some reason.

Nah, that's just Onslaught...

Also, I really enjoy Pirate's being a twisted High Tech faction on some level. They have Shrike, Afflictor, Shade. Now we could give them an Astral and a Paragon if we felt like making them a threat at some point.

[Nettle]

If the idea is to give pirate fleets more capitals, you are supposed to do that yourself by selling them blueprints.

I'm not sure you necessarily supposed to do that. But either way, I don't want pirates to just get base variants of existing capitals, but rather the unique P-variants spin on them.

[Killer of Fate]

If the idea is to give pirate fleets more capitals, you are supposed to do that yourself by selling them blueprints.

I'm not sure you necessarily supposed to do that. But either way, I don't want pirates to just get base variants of existing capitals, but rather the unique P-variants spin on them.

There are two aspects to this statement. Primitive Paragon could be a ship on its own rather than a variant of Paragon with a unique design albeit similar shape. And the second aspect is that pirates are themselves too ill-equipped and underfunded to have their own kinds of ship. Unlike Luddic Church which has the backing of its high populations. Sindrian Diktat with its fuel money. Etc.

[Megas]

I like to see P versions of all the ships whose blueprints are available and make it so that when player sells a blueprint to pirates (via black market), they unlock more P blueprints.  For example, selling Paragon blueprint gives Paragon-P to pirates.  Onslaught or Onslaught XIV blueprint makes pirates produce Onslaught-P.

[Thaago]

I like to see P versions of all the ships whose blueprints are available and make it so that when player sells a blueprint to pirates (via black market), they unlock more P blueprints.  For example, selling Paragon blueprint gives Paragon-P to pirates.  Onslaught or Onslaught XIV blueprint makes pirates produce Onslaught-P.

That would be really cool! What a great idea.

Huh, maybe when pirates are raiding, they have a % chance to get blueprints if the raid is successful? That would make for a bit more of an evolving pirates threat.

[Spyro]

I like to see P versions of all the ships whose blueprints are available and make it so that when player sells a blueprint to pirates (via black market), they unlock more P blueprints.  For example, selling Paragon blueprint gives Paragon-P to pirates.  Onslaught or Onslaught XIV blueprint makes pirates produce Onslaught-P.

That would be really cool! What a great idea.

Huh, maybe when pirates are raiding, they have a % chance to get blueprints if the raid is successful? That would make for a bit more of an evolving pirates threat.

Best suggestion I've heard in the last 46 days. Player fight pirates from the very beginning of the game so it would be interesting to give them a few new toys when x amount of time passes.

And then maybe we could have some elite pirate bounties, just like how mercenary independent fleets spawn, imagine a elite pirate armada with s-mods. That would actually be menacing.

[Nettle]

I like to see P versions of all the ships whose blueprints are available and make it so that when player sells a blueprint to pirates (via black market), they unlock more P blueprints.  For example, selling Paragon blueprint gives Paragon-P to pirates.  Onslaught or Onslaught XIV blueprint makes pirates produce Onslaught-P.

This will require some obscene amount of new sprites.

[Bungee_man]

I'd like to see the game handle variants a little more elegantly in general. Like, the Atlas II and Prometheus II wouldn't be completely distinct blueprints from the base ships, since they're manual refits of them.

In line with this, pirates would already have the hulls they use the pirate variants of (e.g. Falcon), but wouldn't use the base ships, and the player would unlock pirate falcons for production by having the Falcon blueprint and having made some kind of arrangement with the pirates at any point (even if it's no longer active). Likewise, a pirate Paragon variant that isn't present in their fleets by default would get used by the pirates instead of the normal Paragon upon selling them the blueprint. I do think that'd be a cool easter egg.

[Lawrence Master-blaster]

I like to see P versions of all the ships whose blueprints are available and make it so that when player sells a blueprint to pirates (via black market), they unlock more P blueprints.  For example, selling Paragon blueprint gives Paragon-P to pirates.  Onslaught or Onslaught XIV blueprint makes pirates produce Onslaught-P.

...but why would Pirates make "worse" P-ship variants when they can just make the originals? The idea is that they currently lack access to these blueprints, that's why they have to improvise and make silly things like Atlas Mk.2.

[Sandor057]

This is too funny not to be a thing. I'd like to see it as a sort of sidegrade to the original Paragon. But I don't really want the mainstream Pirate faction to have it. There could be a sub-faction, Kanta's Hounds or something similar, which would be that extra bit of muscle for when Kanta wants stuff done pronto. Being functionally the Lion's Guard but for Pirates, they should have some ship designs the wider sector doesn't, or just rarely gets.