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[Gamada]

Gals and Pals (and everyone in between), Good morning !

Recently, I went Remnant-clubbing for some sweet-sweet AI cores to boost my colonies. The main issue with that operation is that defeating ordos is a pain in the neck as soon as a Radiant show up. Recently, I had a fleet centred around my Onslaught and two Legions (one XIVth and one normal), but it's just not cutting it. The Legions get overwhelmed very quickly and my Onslaught is left defenceless a lot of the time. The good thing however, is that I discovered a Paragon Blueprint, which means I can churn out as many as I want with my Orbital Works (something I cannot do for the Onslaught or the Legion).

I was thus wondering if transitioning from a low to a high tech fleet would be worth the cost, especially since all of my officers are now level 6 (and tailored for low tech ships).

I was also wondering what loadout to choose for my Paragons, and what escort to pick (Medusas and Omens seem promising). I must admit that putting four Tachyon Lances on my Paragon is tempting.

Thank you for your recommendations !

[Nettle]

I was also wondering what loadout to choose for my Paragons, and what escort to pick (Medusas and Omens seem promising). I must admit that putting four Tachyon Lances on my Paragon is tempting.

For Paragon(s), my usual go-to is autopulse lasers in hardpoints, tachyon lances for turrets, and heavy needlers in universals. Four tachyon lances are fun for popping lower-tier pirate ships, but they really don't fare well against higher-tier fleets with tougher shields and better dissipation.

[Dadada]

For Paragon(s), my usual go-to is autopulse lasers in hardpoints, tachyon lances for turrets, and heavy needlers in universals.

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This standard build works just fine.

Recently, I had a fleet centred around my Onslaught and two Legions (one XIVth and one normal), but it's just not cutting it. The Legions get overwhelmed very quickly and my Onslaught is left defenceless a lot of the time.

Akshullly: They should work fine, ofc. it depends on your builds, how you deploy them and how well the rest of your fleet can do their tasks.

I was thus wondering if transitioning from a low to a high tech fleet would be worth the cost, especially since all of my officers are now level 6 (and tailored for low tech ships).

Maybe you can keep the rest of your fleet as is? And ofc. you could also just level new officers and farm SP again. You can mix ships, doctrines and tech types as you like.

I let my Medusae roam without escort package, they are kinda borderline OP very strong and trash most enemies with ease, effective shields paired with high speed and a teleporter is just hnnnnng, it just makes their defensive and offensive capabilities excellent. "sweats"
Example: Kinetcs in the universal mounts, Phase Lances in the mediums...

E: I am not sure if a Paragon even needs escorts...
EE: I think my last XIV Legion build, the fleet had 2 capital anchors, had Heavy Auto cannons, Reaper Pods, PD-skill range boosted Vulcans, armour stacking and kinetic fighters, probably Broadswords...

[Hyde]

Probably easier to refit your existing fleet than to try to build an entire new one with new officers. Honestly, I'd just post the builds you were using on the Onslaught and Legions.

[PixiCode]

Hyde is correct, your choice of capital ships are not to blame for having trouble with remnants, it’s how you’re using them. Unless you’re doing some sort of special challenge, picking between the big anchors of onslaught, paragon or legion are all pretty similar in impact at the end of the day.

Here’s a good way to build paragon though. This isn’t ’the Best way’ it’s just a build I made up on the fly that should work for whatever build you’re doing in your fleet.

Officer - target analysis elite, energy weapon mastery elite, ordnance expertise, gunnery implant, combat endurance, field modulation elite

2 autopulsers in the hardpoints, 2 ion beams in the front medium energies, 2 Hypervelocity Drivers in the universals, 2 tachyon lances in the side turrets, 2 phase lances in the rear mediums (they kill fighters and scare frigates). Mining lasers in the small energy mounts. Ideally no pd at all besides 1 mining laser. Just tank missiles on the shields.

This is an overload of emp damage but remnant are likely to have elite damage control. Having target analysis elite, tachyon lances and ion beams increases the chance you flameout your target before it escapes, especially good against nova and radiant.

Extended magazine, Accelerated shield, stabilized shield, hard shield, advanced turret gyro, flux distributor hullmod, maximum vents. You probably have OP left over for more stuff like armored weapon mount and reinforced flux conduits, especially if you use smods. Smodding stabilized shield, flux distributor, advanced turret gyro, expanded magazine or reinforced flux conduit are all good ideas.

Heavy Needlers are a great alternative, but HVD is probably a safer choice if you aren’t the best at commanding the position of your fleet ships. HVD more likely to help extend the paragon’s reach of impact. Same idea with the ion beams - ion pulsers or phase beams in front work too but ion beam is the safest bet.

[robepriority]

3 capitals doesn't leave a lot of room in a standard 240 DP fleet for officer slots, with officer disadvantage(what's likely to happen with ordos having everyone on alpha cores) that decreases to 160 DP.

Make sure you have 2 high tier smodded frigates, at least to win the initial 2 points to get your 240 on the field. IF you don't want to sacrifice officer slots or deployment points, use omens or lp brawlers(5DP).

Capping points means that the AI will draw ships twoards said point which either -
A) The high tier frigates will kill for less DP than what was used
or
B) Draws out the high DP ships(like the radiant) so the rest of your fleet can clean up the rest while their heavy hitters are distracted
 

[Phenir]

The Legions get overwhelmed very quickly and my Onslaught is left defenceless a lot of the time.

This sounds like a tactics or fleet building issue. Legion and onslaught can do just fine in remnant slapping. What's the rest of your fleet look like and doing? What kind of orders are you giving?

[Juno]

My typical flagship Paragon, 4 AutoPulses, 4 IR Autolances, and burst PD lasers wherever you can fit them.
Missile slots unused to save cap, but you surely can put in some small annihilators to help the pressure, or some antimatter SRM if you got those. Main problem of missiles is ammo in long fights so I usually don't bother.
Melts anything it touches and tanks for days. I don't pilot this in manual, my fingers are not good for that, but AI does very good job flying it.
Most important mods IMO are Auto repair unit, because usually overload means you are dead, and the expanded magazines to feed the Autopulses and Autolances.
Autopulses rip shields apart and cap out anyone, including Radiants, and then Autolances just melt it in seconds.
I didn't try it, but I think 4 of these should be able to take on and delete quite big Ordos. I just enjoy my pet Radiant with same setup, but 5 Autopulses and my officers in Hyperions

[Ptirodaktill]

 I tested quad pulse+quad phase lances setup with and w/o annihilators in small missile slots.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvWzEaEGr8c
https://youtu.be/fCYfXlcPAI0
 I liked the extra oompf form annihilators, trough combat result reporter give some laugable numbers from these missiles. 2 AMB in small frontal slots seems weird, but they do quite a good job of disabling charging remnants. As alternative you can switch one of Autopulser for plazma canon and leave these slots empty or use omega anti-shield weapons in them.
 In terms of s-mods expanded magasines and auxilarry thrusters are must have.