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Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« on: August 23, 2024, 09:27:51 PM »

As titled, Pegasus just seem to struggle immensely against completely unhinged amounts of armored drone-spam the later-stages domain era vessels can house and spill out at you--the flux is not great, neither is armor, and though you can rapidly target and exterminate 3-4 medium to high threat targets with a combination of Hurricane and fast-racks but afterwards you're just dead in the water. Haven't tried using torpedoes but with the turn-rate on the thing I doubt it helps, especially against the absolute BARRAGE of PD fire those drones can unleash downrange and their flare-spam and also just how many are there.
I was so tilted that I literally /command nuke-d the entire fleet and felt even worse afterwards.
Help?
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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2024, 12:52:23 AM »

Hmm, can't say I'd know for sure without a picture if your fleet (the supporting ships to the Pegasus matter too!) but just on the face of it I'd recommend trying torpedoes and Maneuvering Jets. Reapers are a classic against massive hunks like the Rampart. If you are talking Guardians, then I'd recommend separating the enemy fleet with fast frigates and then sending in your Pegasus and other line ships to gang up on one or two Guardians at a time (rather than facing an enemy deathball).
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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2024, 01:22:46 AM »

Unless if you're fighting the Guardian all you really need is just something with a HIL so maybe give it some Sunder escorts?
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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2024, 01:26:50 AM »

As titled, Pegasus just seem to struggle immensely against completely unhinged amounts of armored drone-spam the later-stages domain era vessels can house and spill out at you--the flux is not great, neither is armor, and though you can rapidly target and exterminate 3-4 medium to high threat targets with a combination of Hurricane and fast-racks but afterwards you're just dead in the water. Haven't tried using torpedoes but with the turn-rate on the thing I doubt it helps, especially against the absolute BARRAGE of PD fire those drones can unleash downrange and their flare-spam and also just how many are there.
I was so tilted that I literally /command nuke-d the entire fleet and felt even worse afterwards.
Help?

Do you have missile spec? I usually assign an officer and take control after deploying it. That gives me 30x4 missile. Enough to last a 350k bounty. HIL is also recommended on other vessels like Paragon and Executor to exterminate small crafts and save your missiles for the Guardian and Ramparts.
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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2024, 02:02:10 AM »

IRA plus S-modded expanded magazines is good against anything unshielded. If you want to specialize hard, adding advanced optics will get you some extra range, too. Missiles can be reserved for guardians.
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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2024, 06:30:45 AM »

As titled, Pegasus just seem to struggle immensely against completely unhinged amounts of armored drone-spam the later-stages domain era vessels can house and spill out at you--the flux is not great, neither is armor, and though you can rapidly target and exterminate 3-4 medium to high threat targets with a combination of Hurricane and fast-racks but afterwards you're just dead in the water. Haven't tried using torpedoes but with the turn-rate on the thing I doubt it helps, especially against the absolute BARRAGE of PD fire those drones can unleash downrange and their flare-spam and also just how many are there.
I was so tilted that I literally /command nuke-d the entire fleet and felt even worse afterwards.
Help?




This is specifically geared towards your problem against armoured drones. If you need to fight Guardians as well, I would swap the Thumpers for Hypervelocity Drivers, the Heavy Mauler for another IR Autolance, and the Pilums for Squalls. If you still have trouble against flare spam, you can S-Mod the ECCM Package instead of Stabilized Shields.

A key insight to fighting unshieleded enemies is not to try to match them on flux or on firepower, but rather to disable their weapons using EMP. Once you do that, you'll be able to destroy them at will with very little resistance. You mentioned the Pegasus' flux being not that great, and you're 100% correct! It just isn't. But who needs flux if your opponents can't shoot? And you're also neglecting its strengths, such as the fact that it has the ability to spam infinite missile-based EMP, and the fact that it has the capability of mounting up to SIX IR Autolances, which will tear apart anything without a shield.
« Last Edit: August 24, 2024, 06:44:16 AM by Sendrien »
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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2024, 07:20:11 AM »

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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2024, 09:17:51 AM »

snip!

You got the right idea but wrong execution Imo. Two reasons;

Unless you’re piloting it yourself, torpedoes on those front slots just won’t work. The AI already struggles a little to aim reapers, factoring in the requirement to tilt the ship is too unreliable. If you’re piloting it yourself this is optimal vs derelicts though! I would use Hurricane, dragonfire, locust or maybe hydra instead.

Pilums are not the most reliable emp vs derelicts when you have the ability to use 2 ion beams. I would replace the pilums with missiles I suggested above and the heavy mauler with another ion beam. If you want to keep 1 heavy mauler, I’d replace 1 thumper with a heavy mauler.

Or, if you’re dead set on pilums, you need to use eccm. The reason I say it’s unreliable is due to the amount of flares the derelicts will tend to throw out, as well as some derelicts having fronts devastators. Also pilums are just kinda slow, so derelict can do a good amount of damage before it reaches.

And if you’re relying on the pilum Frag damage, either the derelict will still have all its armor because you only have 1 mauler with lots of Frag damage and rely on reapers to strip armor, or the reapers killed the derelict so the pilums move on to a new target, likely with armor.

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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #8 on: August 26, 2024, 01:22:31 PM »

Yeah if you're going pilums you kinda have to go all in.  Past a certain density they reach critical mass and just overwhelm PD as they surround the enemy and close in.  Below that, you're just mildly herding the target away from you and wasting time chasing it.  cyclone reapers?  On a Pegasus?  With the nonexistent convergence of those hardpoints, that's just asking for things to go horribly wrong.  Why not just load up four hurricane MIRVS?  They're guided enough to make it count, cover a wide area on the target and deal HE damage; they're perfect against derelicts.  If you've got them, it's not a bad way to use them.
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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #9 on: August 26, 2024, 06:17:18 PM »

Yeah if you're going pilums you kinda have to go all in.  Past a certain density they reach critical mass and just overwhelm PD as they surround the enemy and close in.  Below that, you're just mildly herding the target away from you and wasting time chasing it.  cyclone reapers?  On a Pegasus?  With the nonexistent convergence of those hardpoints, that's just asking for things to go horribly wrong.  Why not just load up four hurricane MIRVS?  They're guided enough to make it count, cover a wide area on the target and deal HE damage; they're perfect against derelicts.  If you've got them, it's not a bad way to use them.
Actually that's a good point, completely forgot about Hurricane MIRVs. Would recommend! Expanded Missile Racks and MIRVs should chew up plenty of un-shielded and the Guardians would get surrounded pretty easily (or drowned out by MIRVs, it can happen).
I don't think pilums have the critical mass anymore. They used to, when they moved super slowly and you could fire them across the map, but now their range is gimped so they don't fulfill the same role, and they aren't exactly a tough missile to shoot down. I think Pilums are one of the few missiles that could benefit from a missile HP buff, just because their base effect is so low that they need the help lol
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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #10 on: August 29, 2024, 03:42:49 AM »

How much HP do pilums have again?
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Re: Help with Pegasus loadout against Domain drones
« Reply #11 on: August 29, 2024, 10:51:21 AM »

How much HP do pilums have again?
150 HP, same as Squalls, Salamanders and Harpoons.
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