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[David]

Early impression is we're probably not adding a Fandom-style comments section since people treat them like a comments section on, well, typical social media sites, which is to say the main purpose is to post funny or "funny" comments.

Probably wise.

It's like every Reddit post: 100 comments about an obvious pun, 100 based on a sexual double entendre, and 100 repeating an old meme. I'd have defended this stuff to the hilt *checks watch* 25 years ago, but feeling pretty jaded about it all nowadays. (Avoiding the pitfall of the useless comments section is why r/AskHistorians is objectively the best subreddit!)

[Grievous69]

Don't know what fandom comments you were reading but in my experience there were actually meaningful ones. Like people asking for build recommendations, wanting to know in what fleets do you use a certain ship or weapon. As for general questions about the game that aren't answered in the wiki.

But it seems like a few jokes got through some people lol. Every single comment section ever is going to have silly puns and memes. They're not hurting anyone.

[Killer of Fate]

Don't know what fandom comments you were reading but in my experience there were actually meaningful ones. Like people asking for build recommendations, wanting to know in what fleets do you use a certain ship or weapon. As for general questions about the game that aren't answered in the wiki.

But it seems like a few jokes got through some people lol. Every single comment section ever is going to have silly puns and memes. They're not hurting anyone.

https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Dominator

Looking at comments of Dominator, you see mostly people discussing meta which is a subject that should be always discussed thoroughly, because without it a ship may not rise to its full potential. So, yeah... Strangely enough upon further consideration I kinda think this is a weird argument.

I'm clicking random pages:

https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Eradicator
meta discussion in the comments

https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Champion
mostly meta discussion in the comments, one semi-joke about hammer torpedoes

https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Aurora
mostly meta discussion, one comment talking about visual design, one comment asking where can this ship be found, one user thanking the wiki writer for writing the article

https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Heron
meta discussion, one comment whole-heartedly commending the ship, one person thanking the person who wrote the wiki article

https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Executor
I expected here to be mostly meme comments, cause it feels like Starsector itself wants to treat Andrada ships like a joke. But there is only one joke which is about the ship being a Pegasus reskin, which isn't really joke, it's literally what the ship is.

https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Gremlin?so=search
I REALLY expected Gremlin to be mostly memes, but there are no old jokes or memes to be found. Literally people just discussing their experience with the ship.

Okay... I think the "remove comments cause people mostly give bad input" is a bad argument. I would accept if the argument would have been just "wikipedia doesn't have comments, we don't have to either".

[Histidine]

Okay that's fair, the Starsector wiki is/was not like Other Wikis.

[Tranquility]

A more convincing argument would be that places for general discussion (i.e. about the topic of a Wiki article, not the actual article itself) already exist - it's called the forum/Reddit/Discord/[insert any other social media here].

Personally, I think it's a bit jarring to find opinions and anecdotes of random strangers alongside what is supposed to be a relatively-unbiased, primarily-educational source of information (whether that's the driving goal of the Starsector Wiki or not, that's not for me to say). It also doesn't help that the Fandom UI on desktop has no built-in button to hide comments, so you're forced to see those hot takes (really just cold takes most of the time) if you scroll slightly too far down, just past the Category table that contains actually-useful links to related content (ironically, Fandom on mobile has this toggle and also hides comments by default - one of the few improvements over the desktop version, which isn't saying much considering the Categories section also gets hidden by default too).

(On a related note, BreezeWiki, which basically lets you view Fandom without actually visiting it and experiencing Fandom's ad-infested "features", does not display Fandom's user comments within wiki articles, so this no-user-comments-on-wiki-articles view is certainly not unique to Starsector.)

[Cryovolcanic]

Hi, a user interface request as I am browsing the wiki--can we change the browser tab icon for the wiki in some way? It is identical to the official Starsector forum. I usually have multiple Starsector forum tabs and wiki articles open at the same time, and I can't easily tell what is a forum discussion and what is a wiki page.

Since I am typically flipping back and forth between them (e.g., discussion about a ship on the forum and have the wiki page with the ship, commonly used weapons and hullmods open simultaneously) I can't easily find the tab I am looking for.

Overall fantastic work on the new wiki to all involved.

[Histidine]

Hmm we'd need a new icon (easy though not pretty way would be to just have the S in a circle, like a Discord icon). Might come up with something later.

Thanks for the praise!

[Ragatokk]

Man it's insane how they *** their own website.
It used to look good, and then... wow...

[StuffyEvil]

Is there any specific formal way for me to help contribute to the Starsector wiki.gg?

Or is it fine for me to add some stuff to the website (e.g. the missing DP value for the Rampart).

Edit: To elaborate on this, is there's a specific place to discuss things regarding it (e.g. I am pretty sure killing Remnant Stations guarantees an Alpha Core drop).

Regardless, I added a few small details like Rampart DP cost.

[Histidine]

You can get a wiki editor role on the Unofficial Starsector Chat discord server which gives access to a channel for some wiki discussions. (Although code-related specifics will probably get more 'specialist' attention in one of the modding channels). Wiki talk pages can also work if someone is following the corresponding main pages.

For simpler stuff yeah just go ahead, the point of a wiki is that anyone can edit it and if a mistake appears, rolling it back is easy.

[StuffyEvil]

You can get a wiki editor role on the Unofficial Starsector Chat discord server which gives access to a channel for some wiki discussions. (Although code-related specifics will probably get more 'specialist' attention in one of the modding channels). Wiki talk pages can also work if someone is following the corresponding main pages.

For simpler stuff yeah just go ahead, the point of a wiki is that anyone can edit it and if a mistake appears, rolling it back is easy.

Thanks for the response.

Decided to also go ahead and start adding some more details to some other pages.

Also contacted TheWikiFish about a formal acceptance into the team or at least of line of communication.

Regardless if I do end up making a mistake you (and the rest of the team) can roll things back.

[Cryovolcanic]

I see that the browser icon for the wiki was changed! Thank you for doing this.

Small cleanup item - the Lasher's description doesn't have its mount types:

https://starsector.wiki.gg/wiki/Lasher