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[BigBrainEnergy]

The gryphon has EMR built into the hull because the old missile autoforge made it pretty much a requirement, as you doubled both the base missiles and the reload size. With the change to missile autoforge the impact of EMR is a lot smaller and I would argue that some gryphon builds would rather have 15-20 extra op to play with instead of missile racks.

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The ship already has a baseline of 3x ammo which is almost certainly getting pushed up to 4x by missile specialization, so EMR pushing it up to 5x is only going to be useful on long range versions that purely rely on missile firepower. Gryphons with shorter range loadouts that want to mix in ballistics with long lasting missiles would much prefer the extra ordnance points, and these variants are not as strong as the long range builds so they could use the help.

[Megas]

Yes, I agree, do that and refund 20 OP for Gryphon.

[Cryovolcanic]

How about a Gryphon variant that ditches the missile racks? I like the hyper-focus of the ship and would like to keep one variant with it.

[Anvel]

It's decent the way it is, specialized missile cruiser that can spam missiles other ships cannot, want ballistics and missiles - get champion, dominator etc.

[Brainwright]

I'd like to see a gryphon where you can use ballistics to support more varied missile loadouts.  Rather like this idea.

[Thaago]

While I agree with the premise that many Gryphon builds would get by without the hullmod, ditching it and refunding 20 OP is a straight buff on a ship that does not need buffs...

[BigBrainEnergy]

While I agree with the premise that many Gryphon builds would get by without the hullmod, ditching it and refunding 20 OP is a straight buff on a ship that does not need buffs...

You could refund 15 op instead. Some builds would prefer that, and it would be -5 op for pure missiles spam.

[Megas]

While I agree with the premise that many Gryphon builds would get by without the hullmod, ditching it and refunding 20 OP is a straight buff on a ship that does not need buffs...

You could refund 15 op instead. Some builds would prefer that, and it would be -5 op for pure missiles spam.

In that case, forget the suggestion and keep Expanded Missile Racks builtin.

Gryphon's strength is more missiles, so I would probably spend the extra 20 OP on getting Expanded Missile Racks back.  If not spent on Missile Racks for more missiles, then the Gryphon is trying to round out (use more guns and less missiles) instead of leaning into its strengths.

[Goumindong]

If you really wanted to “buff” it in this manner. Which I don’t think is necessary. You would trade the EMR build in for ECCM build in.

This loses 5 OP of build in and for people who don’t need extra missiles it’s +15 OP and for people who do it’s -5 OP

[prav]

Replace ERM with a dummy mod that blocks ERM, add a system charge.

Probably makes missile spec mandatory.