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Author Topic: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella  (Read 1331 times)

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New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« on: February 13, 2024, 09:30:47 AM »

You need:
  • 1 Grendel
  • 3 reapers
  • a bunch of PD guns
  • 5 skills
  • 2 s-mods
  • and the will to dream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xeHcTVgJPF4

The legion version of this post I outdated a few days ago
You need:
  • 1 Legion
  • 5 proximity charge launchers
  • a bunch of PD guns
  • 5 skills
  • 1 s-mod
  • and the will to dream
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaeAyEmhu3U
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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2024, 10:31:47 PM »

Devastators in legion? Afaik in vanilla legion don't have a large ballistic slots.

PS Nvm, usual legion actually does have large ballistic. Just never used it.
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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #2 on: February 14, 2024, 05:57:43 AM »

s-mod Automated Repair Unit is nice.  Used it on solo Ziggurat before when losing weapons and engines for about 12 seconds is lethal, and elite Target Analysis on enemy Remnant ships make that happen too easily even with some protection.
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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2024, 06:01:48 AM »

How many attempts?
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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2024, 09:07:47 AM »

How many attempts?
Around 12, with 50% chance of success. I was experimenting with talons, wasps, xyphos, broadswords and other fighters, but in the end talons or wasps were the best.

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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2024, 10:36:38 PM »

It turns out I was actually wrong! You can achieve this with a level 5 Grendel as well.
https://youtu.be/xeHcTVgJPF4

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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2024, 10:48:54 PM »

It turns out I was actually wrong! You can achieve this with a level 5 Grendel as well.

While this is good piloting, the deciding factor seems to be bad AI. Zig never really needed to vent, it should have just dissipated normally. Zig easily out-damages your blasters and his phase cooldown is short enough to re-phase in case of Reaper launch. Zig also probably had effective speed advantage to stay away, and didn't use that (less base speed, but it can afford to spend much more time in phase).

Perfect behavior would be not to phase continuously at all, and just use cloak reactively vs blasters and reapers. Though AI isn't allowed to use perfect timing like this most of the time (with some exceptions, this sort of instant reaction is allowed for Damper Field use).

On a side note. Switching linked/alternating fire mode in combat should be a vanilla feature (there is a mod). Because switching to alternating is necessary to counter some of these tactics, but is sub-optimal most of the time.
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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2024, 11:19:35 PM »

It is pretty much an exploit, but it works.

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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2024, 03:11:03 AM »

It grinds my gears how easy you can make that fight if you really optimize specifically for Ziggurat, and how absurdly devastating it can be if you don't. The shield piercing EMP motes are merciless to midline and high tech ships.
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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #9 on: February 16, 2024, 03:24:45 PM »

Those poor fighter pilots... flying coffins indeed.
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Re: New cheapest way to deal with Z-fella
« Reply #11 on: February 16, 2024, 06:11:26 PM »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ucgHn86vapQ
There's something very funny about what might be considered the second or third weakest phase ship (after gremlin and maybe shade) using rear facing reapers to kill the strongest one.
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