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[KaiserPanda]

Just curious if enemies become harder as you level up or accrue more ships. Or if there is any scaling at all.

edit: thanks for the feedback guys

[Kohlenstoff]

Explanation without spoilering: Enemies and events increase more and more during progress. Progression depends sometimes from doing certain things and sometimes just from time or even just from the time of having or controling certain things. Some types of scaling can go down again while others don't go down.

[Phenir]

Just curious if enemies become harder as you level up or accrue more ships. Or if there is any scaling at all.

There is some scaling for bounties, over time bigger bounties become available. Derelict drone fleets become bigger the more domain derelicts you salvage. Remnant fleets in a system get stronger as you destroy more of them. Bounties from contacts scale as you do more missions for them. Inspection/expedition fleets scale as more of them are sent. I'm fairly certain no enemies scale based on your level or fleet size.

[Grievous69]

The enemies don't scale, where did you get that info? The only things that scale are bounties (as you complete them) and expeditions. People get a feeling enemies become stronger, but the fact is your fleet just gets bigger and slower with time, meaning it's a more obvious and actually catchable target.

EDIT: And now another comment claims Derelicts and Remnants scale, I'm 99% sure those also don't scale. Nothing is stopping you from entering a red warning system in your Wolf at lvl 1.

[Nettle]

Pirate fleets scale with time to a certain point, bounties scale with number of bounties completed, and I also experienced exploration derelicts in probes scaling up as you clear them, although my evidence for this one is strictly anecdotal.

[Phenir]

The enemies don't scale, where did you get that info? The only things that scale are bounties (as you complete them) and expeditions. People get a feeling enemies become stronger, but the fact is your fleet just gets bigger and slower with time, meaning it's a more obvious and actually catchable target.

EDIT: And now another comment claims Derelicts and Remnants scale, I'm 99% sure those also don't scale. Nothing is stopping you from entering a red warning system in your Wolf at lvl 1.

What does entering a system with a wolf at level 1 have to do with scaling? Especially when I specifically said they don't scale to your level or fleet size.
Derelicts definitely scale. The first few defense fleets just have a couple frigates and as you salvage more they get destroyers and cruisers. For remnants, they mostly scale in quality. More alpha cores, less dmods, and better weapons.

[Alex]

(Derelicts get stronger as you defeat more of them - backstory-wise, a signal propagates when you destroy them and the probes/survey ships/etc manufacture better defenses. Remnant fleets get stronger if you repeatedly fight them in the same system, iirc they will get weaker with time - again a defensive response by the Nexus to being attacked. The same thing happens with in-system faction patrols.)

[Kohlenstoff]

And now another comment claims Derelicts and Remnants scale

Spoiler

They do. If you shoot Ordos, they get replaced by bigger Ordos. If you leave this system alone for a while the Ordos get smaller again.

Derelicts scale too. The early found probes are merely guarded by some frigate sized drones. The last found defended probes got a nice fleet of destroyers.

Early found Mothership at 01:57:00
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MZFt6qlQpbE

Later found Mothership at 22:10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdT2u1UeC2E

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[Alex]

I think the word "scaling" is slightly confusing/misleading, perhaps? Scaling kind of implies that something is adjusted in relation to some other value, i.e. the player level or the player's fleet size or some such. Whereas here fleets get stronger in response to player *actions*, so calling it scaling is a bit weird. Like, I don't know, "enemy health scales down when you shoot them" or something - obviously not as absurd a misuse as that, but hopefully what I'm getting at makes sense.

[Grievous69]

Right, when people talk about enemy scaling in games, it's either connected to time, player level or area they're in.

Still, thanks to everyone for confirming the thing about Derelicts and Remnants. I can't believe I never noticed they get stronger if you farm long enough. How in ever living hell did I miss that in all these years lol...

[Histidine]

For completeness I'll also note that all this is in vanilla; specific mod fleets do scale to player power level.

[Killer of Fate]

from me reading the wiki...
Expeditions scale whenever one gets defeated.

But judging from what I've seen in Vanilla they scale up to a point, cause they're based in the strength of planets. If you want to have stronger enemy expeditions, you can go to Sindria or Culann and give them a Cryoarthmetic Engine.