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Author Topic: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system  (Read 1614 times)

YoungArchivist

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The problem
The ship deployment is too random, which results in situations like on the picture.

The idea
To prevent that, we need to have a tactical deployment system with choices for the position and the wave a ship will enter combat.
Something like this perhaps?

« Last Edit: July 31, 2023, 04:31:05 AM by YoungArchivist »
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #1 on: August 01, 2023, 01:12:34 AM »

+1. Being able to configure deployment would be helpful. Saving previously used deployment intelligently would be a bit more problematic (since you don't always deploy same set of ships). Save with numbered group, maybe?
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #2 on: August 01, 2023, 03:24:33 AM »

+1. Being able to configure deployment would be helpful. Saving previously used deployment intelligently would be a bit more problematic (since you don't always deploy same set of ships). Save with numbered group, maybe?
I wouldn't mind having to re-deploy my ships from scratch every time I enter a new battle. Having some sort of template system would be great, but just having the ability to place ships in specific order would be good on its own.
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #3 on: August 07, 2023, 09:00:45 AM »

The tactical deployment area should not be one rectangle for all ships but instead at least four nested rectangles, one for each hull size, with frigates having the largest one.

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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2023, 05:26:36 AM »

This is a great idea.
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2023, 07:50:47 AM »

Hum there is alway a lot of time before the engagemenrt begin, enought that initial placement don't really matter in my opinion.

And do you trust your ship ai to keep the formation during battle?

Maybe I just don't know how to command my fleet.

The best move i have for now is to ask the whole fleet to defend one point and they kind of stay grouped at it rather than spreading everywhere.

But even that is not enought, half the time my ships don't stand their ground as I wish it and just get spread-pushed in every direction from my rally point.
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #6 on: August 13, 2023, 12:34:39 PM »

Its not about keeping the formation for the entirety of the battle though. The deployment system is needed to prevent the situations when for some stupid reason your slow as snails capital carrier automatically starts at the disadvantage and the escorting capitals have to awkwardly maneuver around it to get into the proper position.
And if you fight anything fast, by the time those escort ships are at proper position, the enemy ships have a real chance of overwhelming that one astral in the fleet.
Basically, you loose because of randomness.
And its never a good thing.

Sometimes you get a good random fleet formation and win because of it.
Sometimes you get a bad random fleet formation and loose because of it.
And that's not even "good" randomness, because there is no way to actually mitigate possible risks.
« Last Edit: August 13, 2023, 12:40:29 PM by YoungArchivist »
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #7 on: August 13, 2023, 01:19:54 PM »

And sometimes the game decides that, for five battles in a row, your Odyssey is getting deployed on the far left, which is just annoying.
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2023, 12:52:27 AM »

I love this idea!
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2023, 09:00:36 PM »

I love this idea!

+1 to this.  As it stands, I really struggle enjoying playing vanilla.  When you deploy on any map that doesn't involve objectives, you're pretty much dumped right on top of the enemy.  And your carriers may randomly decide they'd like to go in front of the battleships during the deployment, so that they can taste the vacuum of space and become a nice debris field the battleships have to wade through to fight the enemy.  At least with Realistic Combat mod, the battle map is so large that I've got time to re-adjust the battle lines before the enemy reaches me.  The only way in vanilla around this is deploying a frigate first, then sending in waves of reinforcements in the order you want them appearing on your battle lines.

Mount & Blade bannerlord realized the need for this...you can put your infantry in front of your archers and put cavalry on your flanks, like any intelligent army commander would do.  Why can't I arrange my armored battleships up front, slow aluminum carriers safely behind, and nimble frigates and destroyers protecting my flanks like a smart fleet admiral would? (frigates coming in from the sides doesn't count, they're so far up they're of no help protecting your own flank)
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #10 on: September 23, 2023, 04:23:30 AM »

Always bothered me, that Dominators and Onslaughts get deployed at the back rows, instead of the front, where they could engage their burn drives right away, thus not even hindering fast frigates much. Would like something like this implemented.
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2023, 05:26:26 AM »

I usually want the biggest ships at the frontline.  It gets annoying or tiring deploying two or more waves because small ships are automatically placed up front and big ships in the rear.  I want the reverse!  Big ships in front, small ships in the rear.
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2023, 07:01:07 AM »

I would prefer frigates and destroyers appear at the sides in any battle big enough to spawn objectives. Anything smaller than a cruiser in big battles is usually there for escort and objectives capturing duty anyway, and sticking frigates in the rear would just slow them down on the way to objective grab.
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #13 on: September 23, 2023, 07:11:09 AM »

If objectives need to be captured, sure, one or two point-capper ships at the sides is fine.  Aside from that, I prefer big ships up front so they can get to the enemy sooner and small fast ships do not splatter so soon against the enemy offscreen.

When I am forced to deploy in two (or more) waves for big first and the rest next, the second deployment is so far back away from the first deployment.
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Re: Please add some kind of pre-battle tactical deployment system
« Reply #14 on: September 23, 2023, 07:15:19 AM »

Doesn't have to be one or the other, surprisingly little space is utilized for deploying fleets for some reason, the initial deployment wave could be spread much wider for bigger battles to prevent the clunky pilling of your ships.
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