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Author Topic: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.  (Read 4192 times)

Euphytose

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Hey,

Got my hands on a Paragon in my current run through a dealer.

Since the "meta" has changed a bit since last time I posted my loadout (here: https://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=14789.0), I wanted to get your advice on which hullmods to use, and more importantly, which ones to build into the hull.

I was thinking of building the gyros mod because of the added damage to smaller ships. With this I would pretty much decimate anything that isn't a capital. But before I do that I wanted to hear your opinion about it.

Here's my current loadout:
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Thanks!

Edit: Whoops, link wasn't working, fixed now!
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Grievous69

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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #1 on: May 09, 2023, 08:29:57 AM »

I'm not going to act smart and suggest something smart or good. No no, we're here for the fun factor. I don't plan on getting a Paragon and I don't have enough Gigacannons.

But if you do have, please try out 4 Gigacannons with s-modded Armoured Weapon Mounts. Yes that isn't good DPS, but it synergized decently with Fortress shields and I think it'll be a hilarious thing. Tach Lances are old toys meh.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #2 on: May 09, 2023, 08:55:58 AM »

I’m half tempted to try 4x Autopulse with S-modded Expanded Mags and then throw on all Burst PD Mining Blasters and Ion Pulsers. Short-ranged, maybe, but the burst DPS would be insane.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #3 on: May 09, 2023, 09:00:13 AM »

Agreed on burst damage, but the issue I would have with this, is that the Paragon is basically a turtle. :D

I don't have a single Gigacannon yet, but it's possible I will try that out yeah.

Edit: As for the TLs being old. Yes, they are. But boy oh boy, when you have 4 of them firing on a ship, that's also quite the burst!

I could have gotten another Paragon like 10mn ago through another dealer, but I decided to get an Astral instead.

I will create a thread asking for advice once it arrives in the storage. Usually I fill it with Tridents, but this time I'm thinking about using the fighters with a Sabot to complement my Lances and allow them to pierce more easily.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #4 on: May 09, 2023, 09:21:41 AM »

Something to consider:  Graviton Beam causes the enemy's shields to take a bit more damage from everything.  With two on the ship, enemy shields take 8% more damage while two graviton beams are hitting the shield.  Not as much burst as all lances, but graviton has more range than phase lance.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #5 on: May 09, 2023, 09:40:47 AM »

Yeah Grav Beam is also a solid choice, but the Phase Lances wipe out frigate spam very easily, much more easily than my Onslaughts can. It's just a "delete button".
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #6 on: May 09, 2023, 09:47:01 AM »

I was thinking of building the gyros mod because of the added damage to smaller ships. With this I would pretty much decimate anything that isn't a capital.

Paragon is already going to decimate anything that isn't a capital.

I don't think the patch changed much. Two Plasma Cannons in front, two Tachyon Lances on sides. It's not flux neutral but with Fortress Shield it doesn't have to be.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #7 on: May 09, 2023, 09:52:49 AM »

I was thinking of building the gyros mod because of the added damage to smaller ships. With this I would pretty much decimate anything that isn't a capital.

Paragon is already going to decimate anything that isn't a capital.

I don't think the patch changed much. Two Plasma Cannons in front, two Tachyon Lances on sides. It's not flux neutral but with Fortress Shield it doesn't have to be.

Mmmh, to be completely honest I'm not a fan of "splitting" weapon types on this ship in the large slots. I think it's better to use 4 of the same, whatever your choice is. With 2 Lances the chances to overload the ship go down a lot, the burst is halved, after all.

I tried HILs, Autopulses, and Lances, and so far the Lances are the easiest way to play for me.

If I can obtain another Paragon in this run, maybe I will try 4 Plasmas though.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #8 on: May 09, 2023, 09:56:51 AM »

Huh, and in all my time flying Paragons (like 2 versions ago), I always found 2 + 2 large weapons to be the most all around builds. Quad Lance and quad Autopulse is cool sure but both struggle versus certain ships. It just shows how different experiences can be on a single ship.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2023, 09:59:39 AM »

True, 4 Lances struggle a bit against other high tech ships, since their shields are really good. It erases most low tech stuff with ease though.

Autopulse is the most "all around" option in my opinion, but you're limited by the ammo. Although with the new built-in bonus for Expanded Mags, maybe this will improve things a lot.

Edit: So for this loadout, what do you think I should build into the hull? I still haven't made my choice.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2023, 10:03:09 AM »

I use two lances primarily to pick off Radiant that always skims away out of hard flux range when it loses the flux war.  Otherwise, I would probably use the build that fills only two heavies with plasma and leave the other two empty (or perhaps filled with paladin).

Four tach lances (and two HVDs) is nice against human fleets, but when I go against Ordos, I need more firepower than that.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2023, 10:04:47 AM »

Edit: So for this loadout, what do you think I should build into the hull? I still haven't made my choice.
Actually no clue for that build. Maybe RFC if you're finding yourself spam venting after the burst. I use that on some of my ships and it's pretty nice. Stabilized Shields is also very very good it seems, especially on high tech ships.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2023, 10:24:50 AM »

Stabilized shields seems like an obvious choice to me. Even if you build up a lot of soft flux with your weapons, you have fortress shields. On a paragon it's almost as good as 10% reduced shield damage, and you desperately want the baseline effect anyways. Compared to hardened shields you miss out on 10 op, but I'd say this s-mod bonus is worth at least 10 points on a paragon.
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Re: Paragon advice on hullmods and which ones to build into the hull.
« Reply #13 on: May 09, 2023, 10:41:07 AM »

Alright, I'll build Stabilized Shields into the hull next time I play then!

Thanks guys.

Edit: And Turret Gyros. Just to be even meaner to those poor frigates.
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