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BCS

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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #90 on: January 27, 2023, 03:41:32 AM »

Well nevermind then, I'm crazy.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #91 on: January 27, 2023, 06:16:35 AM »

Well nevermind then, I'm crazy.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #92 on: January 27, 2023, 09:45:23 AM »

(It's probably worth noting that compared to the twitter screenshot, the MB has like half the DPS and an extra 100 armor-only damage on hit. The original stats were wild. Also: some visual tweaks to make the sprite fit better on a variety of ships. And, changed to HYBRID just for fun.)
Armor only damage? Cool effect. How does it perform now? On paper a DPS cut of a half sounds awful but the previous iteration of it was insane.
Also huh, the mining blaster being a hybrid is one of those things i never knew it would make so much sense until it until i saw that. This reminds me... Should mining lasers be hybrids too? You know, those super cheap PD lasers with low damage but nice range compared to standard PD lasers.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #93 on: January 27, 2023, 11:58:02 AM »

Mining Blaster being hybrid makes me really happy, because it means the base Mule can mount Mining Blaster again; which is a flavour win.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #94 on: January 27, 2023, 05:59:21 PM »

This reminds me... Should mining lasers be hybrids too? You know, those super cheap PD lasers with low damage but nice range compared to standard PD lasers.

HYBRID for Mining Laser? ;)

Yes, but this is a medium weapons thread :D
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #95 on: January 28, 2023, 03:49:54 AM »

Oh my god i am blind.
Nice that it is a yes though!
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #96 on: January 29, 2023, 11:57:14 PM »

So ballistic rangefinder boosts MBs range to 600 or 700 if there’s a large. Mining laser is pd though so it gets no boost.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #97 on: January 30, 2023, 05:36:52 AM »

So ballistic rangefinder boosts MBs range to 600 or 700 if there’s a large. Mining laser is pd though so it gets no boost.
Medium Hybrid (non-PD) weapons on a ship with a large ballistic mount get double the +100 bonus for a medium weapon in a medium ballistic mount, so 500+200 for 700 with Mining Blaster.  No bonus for medium weapons on a ship without a large ballistic mount.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #98 on: January 30, 2023, 07:18:13 AM »

Medium hybrid should still get +100 without the large slot.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #99 on: January 30, 2023, 07:38:28 AM »

Medium hybrid should still get +100 without the large slot.
Currently, only small ballistic/hybrid weapons get a range boost on a ship without a large ballistic slot.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #100 on: January 30, 2023, 07:45:02 AM »

Just checked the hullmod code in starfarer.api, pretty sure you are wrong.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #101 on: January 30, 2023, 08:42:19 AM »

Just checked the hullmod code in starfarer.api, pretty sure you are wrong.
Negative.  I just tried Eagle with HAC and Heavy Needler and fired them both side-by-side.  HAC had more range than Heavy Needler.  Then I replaced the Heavy Needler with Light Needler and fired HAC and Light Needler together; HAC and Light Needler had the same range.

Results were as expected from the hullmod description in the game.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #102 on: January 30, 2023, 09:49:22 AM »

Uh, heavy needler isn't a hybrid weapon? Medium ballistic weapons don't receive any bonus without a large slot, but medium HYBRID weapons in ballistic slots always get at least +100.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #103 on: January 30, 2023, 10:20:54 AM »

Okay, I see.  Had to re-read the description several times to find that info on +100 for hybrid that would get no bonus otherwise.
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Re: Buff the Medium Energy Slot
« Reply #104 on: January 30, 2023, 10:34:08 AM »

Yeah, it's super convoluted and the tooltip is hard to parse. Did you know large hybrid weapons receive the rangefinder bonus? Technically it's covered by the tooltip, but it's very unintuitive.
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