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Grievous69

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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #15 on: December 30, 2022, 01:32:36 PM »

Since we're spitballin numbers here, I have a hunch the DPS won't be above 400. Damage per shot could honestly go into 2k damage range, but naturally it's going to have 500 range max. Efficiency probably 1.0 because this would seem like a highly unusable weapon for most ships. So yeah basically AM Blaster but in a large package and a bit more efficient.
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #16 on: December 30, 2022, 01:49:11 PM »

Yeah, I'd like to see at LEAST 2,000 damage/shot as well—else it'd just be an Antimatter Blaster writ large and also too similar to Plasma Cannon.
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #17 on: December 30, 2022, 02:03:03 PM »

I also wouldn't be surprised if it had some sort of special effect, much like how Alex seems to spice up some new weapons, or old ones in need of change.
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #18 on: December 30, 2022, 11:26:27 PM »

Why do people think the Gigacannon will have less than 700 range? The blog post says:

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A high-tech ship could use it well – flux efficiency is a valuable stat, and it wouldn’t mind the range since it’s no worse than the range of its usual armaments.
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Given the lowest range a large energy weapon has is 700, I think the Gigacannon will be 700 as well. Sub-600 range doesn't just make it awkward on the Executor, it makes it completely unusable for basically every ship that can mount large energies.
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #19 on: January 02, 2023, 03:51:25 PM »

Why do people think the Gigacannon will have less than 700 range? The blog post says:

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A high-tech ship could use it well – flux efficiency is a valuable stat, and it wouldn’t mind the range since it’s no worse than the range of its usual armaments.
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Given the lowest range a large energy weapon has is 700, I think the Gigacannon will be 700 as well. Sub-600 range doesn't just make it awkward on the Executor, it makes it completely unusable for basically every ship that can mount large energies.

Exactly what i was thinking. I can see MAYBE 600 but 700 is more likely.
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #20 on: January 02, 2023, 08:33:52 PM »

Nearly 3 months since last blog post, over a year since last patch, won't share Gigacannon stats...come on Alex! We're dying in a desert here! :'(
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #21 on: January 02, 2023, 08:38:12 PM »

Some of the guesses here are right, and some are wrong :)
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2023, 08:47:37 PM »

Hah, man. That tells us something and yet nothing at the same time.

I guess I'll just have to make due with checking your Twitter every couple of days hoping to see a new teaser. :P
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #23 on: January 03, 2023, 03:09:40 AM »

Never ask a woman her weight.

Never ask a man his salary.

Never ask a Gigacannon it's damage/range/flux per shot...
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #24 on: January 03, 2023, 05:04:04 AM »

Semi-Related but i hope the upcoming Apex [REDACTED] ship has any large mount slots just so i can go all in on the G I G A C A N N O N S because of its energy bolt coherer.
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #25 on: January 03, 2023, 05:07:36 AM »

Semi-Related but i hope the upcoming Apex [REDACTED] ship has any large mount slots just so i can go all in on the G I G A C A N N O N S because of its energy bolt coherer.
https://twitter.com/amosolov/status/1604946081166532616
Only medium mounts. BUT, the Nova might be a perfect ship for it. Fast battlecruiser with a suped up Orion Device and very focused frontal firepower.
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #26 on: January 03, 2023, 12:04:05 PM »

https://twitter.com/amosolov/status/1604946081166532616
Only medium mounts. BUT, the Nova might be a perfect ship for it. Fast battlecruiser with a suped up Orion Device and very focused frontal firepower.
Oh right the nova! That does sound like the perfect thing for it.
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #27 on: January 04, 2023, 06:54:58 PM »

So we can actually figure out how much flux the Gigacannon uses per second by the screenshot in the blogpost.

We know that at the time of the blogpost, Kinetic Cannons are 400 flux/second[1]. The screenshot Executor has 5x Heavy Needlers, 4x Kinetic Blasters, 4x Burst PDLs, 1x Dual Flak and 2x Gigacannons; for a weapon flux/second of 3210.

So the flux/second of its weapons that we know about are 5x200 + 4x400 + 4x40 + 150 plus two Gigacannons. That means a Gigacannon uses ( 3210 - 2910 ) / 2 = 150 flux/second.

Which means the Gigacannon must be really, REALLY slow-firing as it uses barely more flux/second than the small AM blaster.

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It has the same anti-shield DPS - and pretty much all other stats except for flux cost - as a Heavy Blaster; I'm still working out what the flux/shot should be. Right now it's at 400 (for 250 kinetic), which has felt ok in testing but sounds a bit too low on paper; maybe it ought to be 450... it pretty clearly ought to be below 500, though, so that it's better anti-shield than the PL.
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #28 on: January 04, 2023, 07:01:48 PM »

Haha, that is some serious super sleuthing you did there.

If Alex had already finalized the Gigacannon stats at the time, then wowza, yeah. 150 flux/sec is crazy low. It has gotta do tons of damage per shot with that slow a rate of fire...
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Re: How giga is the Gigacannon?
« Reply #29 on: January 04, 2023, 11:08:35 PM »

Intriguing. Let's try to make some more informed guesses based on this.

Note that weapon efficiency is flux / damage = flux/shot / (damage/shot) = flux/second / (damage/second), and Alex said this is pretty good.

And Alex said the weapon fires pretty slowly, so we can make some guesses at the shot(s) / second value.

So we get damage / shot = damage/second / (shots/second) = damage/second * flux / damage / (shots / second * flux / damage)
= flux / second / (shots / second * flux/damage).

If the weapon is pretty flux efficient then its flux efficiency is probably between 0.1 and 1.

And if the weapon fires pretty slowly then let's say it fires something like from 1 time every 1 second (heavy blaster rate) to once every 20 seconds (half of antimatter blaster rate).

Now we can table the results for 150 / (shots / second * flux / damage) to get a table of what the weapon's damage per shot would be. Note that 6 shots per min is AMB firing rate, 30 shots per min is mining blaster firing rate, and 60 shots per min is heavy blaster firing rate.


Shots
per  Flux efficiency
min  0.1   0.2   0.3  0.4  0.5  0.6  0.7  0.8  0.9    1
3  30000 15000 10000 7500 6000 5000 4286 3750 3333 3000
6  15000  7500  5000 3750 3000 2500 2143 1875 1667 1500
9  10000  5000  3333 2500 2000 1667 1429 1250 1111 1000
12  7500  3750  2500 1875 1500 1250 1071  937  833  750
15  6000  3000  2000 1500 1200 1000  857  750  667  600
18  5000  2500  1667 1250 1000  833  714  625  556  500
21  4286  2143  1429 1071  857  714  612  536  476  429
24  3750  1875  1250  937  750  625  536  469  417  375
27  3333  1667  1111  833  667  556  476  417  370  333
30  3000  1500  1000  750  600  500  429  375  333  300
33  2727  1364   909  682  545  455  390  341  303  273
36  2500  1250   833  625  500  417  357  312  278  250
39  2308  1154   769  577  462  385  330  288  256  231
42  2143  1071   714  536  429  357  306  268  238  214
45  2000  1000   667  500  400  333  286  250  222  200
48  1875   937   625  469  375  312  268  234  208  188
51  1765   882   588  441  353  294  252  221  196  176
54  1667   833   556  417  333  278  238  208  185  167
57  1579   789   526  395  316  263  226  197  175  158
60  1500   750   500  375  300  250  214  188  167  150
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