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Author Topic: What is the "goal" of officers affecting deployment point pool?  (Read 3885 times)

Jackundor

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Re: What is the "goal" of officers affecting deployment point pool?
« Reply #45 on: December 13, 2022, 10:38:35 PM »

In terms of limiting battle sizes, is the main argument one purely of FPS / performance?

I've never liked the fact that two massive fleets can fly into each other, yet maybe half the ships actually go into battle while the other half waits patiently.  :o

On modern day rigs, I assume it's been tested to throw every ship in a max capacity fleet into battle?
I assume it kills the game or is unplayable? Otherwise why not, I'd prefer to just simplify the whole thing and have two fleets battle it out, as they would in reality.
the combat is built around a certain engagement size to be fun, and raising it makes stuff go wonky balance wise
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Re: What is the "goal" of officers affecting deployment point pool?
« Reply #46 on: December 14, 2022, 01:52:03 AM »

In terms of limiting battle sizes, is the main argument one purely of FPS / performance?

I've never liked the fact that two massive fleets can fly into each other, yet maybe half the ships actually go into battle while the other half waits patiently.  :o

On modern day rigs, I assume it's been tested to throw every ship in a max capacity fleet into battle?
I assume it kills the game or is unplayable? Otherwise why not, I'd prefer to just simplify the whole thing and have two fleets battle it out, as they would in reality.

Expanding on jackundor's point-

At higher sizes, battles become boring slogs of capitals & cruisers bashing their heads against eachother, waiting to see which side runs out of ships first (and it often leads to the congaline behaviour that's been brought up in this thread (I think it has at least)).
It also all but removes frigates & destroyers from the game (lategame especially), 99% of the time they simply don't have the stats to poke their heads out into a nigh-unflankable wall of guns, let alone do any damage to it.

This isn't even touching on the fact that the AI's been tuned around the 3-400 limit, so it gets really wonky when you're bringing 2-3x the amount of ships into a battle, I've seen some full-on traffic jams develop as the AI moved to capture points.

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Re: What is the "goal" of officers affecting deployment point pool?
« Reply #47 on: December 14, 2022, 11:56:42 AM »

Too many ships makes big traffic jams, blobs of ships not being able to fire because they are blocking each other, even bumper cars frequent collisions! There's no room to maneuver and much less payout for piloting a ship: the combat gameplay just gets worse!

In physics there is quite a bit of study on "jamming" (objects/particles/grains etc getting stuck on each other in a container) and how dimensions relate to it, and 2D is much more susceptible to jamming than 3D.
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