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[Catra]

I would say that even an apogee could, properly armed, kill an onslaught. Outmaneuver it to the rear, smash up the engines with a tachyon lance, then use a cyclone reaper launcher to make reaper strikes whilst it's completely helpless.

Yeah but literally anything can kill an Onslaught, its slow and has a front shield that leaves a hole in its back. A player can kite it to death using a shuttle.

player can kill X in ship Y

you can replace X and Y with any combination of ships and it will hold true, so its rather pointless to argue that.

They're even supposed to be, note the 'Outdated'.

outdated has to do with its armament, not the age of the vessel.

[WKOB]

The age of the vessel definitely comes in, it's incredibly slow and ill-equipped to deal with fighters even with a player load out.

[sdmike1]

I saw Alex say somewhere that the low-mid-high-tech ships were suposed to represent diffrent not better ways of doing things honistly i think that a player who can controll and win in a low tech ship against a high tech fleat with few losses is a much beter player due to the skill that it takes to use low tech ships properly.

setting all of you wepions to one group and forgeting to change the for an entire game is something you should not do

[Vandala]

player can kill X in ship Y

you can replace X and Y with any combination of ships and it will hold true, so its rather pointless to argue that.

Alright, go kill a paragon with a shuttle, good luck.

[Catra]

The age of the vessel definitely comes in, it's incredibly slow and ill-equipped to deal with fighters even with a player load out.

so? the Eagle is quite slow and is sorta meh vs fighters, and while not as old as the onslaught, its still pretty far down there relative to the current timeline, so wheres its outdated tag?

this is where your argument falls apart: everything is ancient, yet only they(dominator and enforcer also have the tag) have that tag, because it's referring to the weapons they come equipped with, and just that.

heh, my onslaught has no issue plowing through fighters, so iunno what it is you're dong wrong.

Alright, go kill a paragon with a shuttle, good luck.

meh, flank it and then let the autopulse cannon bring it to venting, deal some hard shield damage between bursts then whittle away when it does vent. since it can't cheese the FoW anymore its lances are completely irrelevant.

it might take a few goes, but the relevant part is that it can be done

[Catra]

Eagle is mid-tier man

so?

Not everything in the game is old, the high-tech ships state in the lore that they are fairly new.

of course they're fairly new. but it's still rather old.

And anything can deal with fighters well, if you want to gimp your anti-capital capacity.

not really. the gauss and railguns do a fine job.

Good luck going against a paragon with a shuttle, just try avoiding the lances from far range, you won't get close enough to even see it.

srsly?

[Catra]

The eagle is mid-tech, not really old

relative to the time of the story, yes it is.

High-tech is old? alright then...

just because something is fairly "new" doesn't make it not old. again, you're not taking relativity into account.

Do you care at all about flux?

my flux is fine. things die long before it becomes a concern.

Nice denial there

nice reading what i wrote there.

[Catra]

Relative to the other ships, the eagle is mid-tech, doesn't matter the time difference between when it was designed and when it is now.

and then there's high tech, thus making it an old vessel. i don't see whats so hard to grasp here.

he onslaught has around 600 flux dissipation, that's not enough to fight off a wing of wasps and even a cruiser at the same time

cause dissipation is the only flux relevant stat.

You "srsly" can't believe that lances will destroy a shuttle...

of course they will, but they won't.

[BillyRueben]

While a shuttle might be able to take on a Paragon (I have my doubts, but I'm sure someone would probably prove me wrong), it isn't an ideal situation, and one that probably would be avoided by most people.

As far as the whole "old tech can't take on fighters" argument, I have no troubles with fighters in an Onslaught that is still more than capable at taking on capital class ships. Dual Flack Cannons don't care what ship they are mounted on, they just kick ass.

And as far as the Old-Mid-New tech stuff goes, the only thing these seem to reflect is the type of weapon loadouts they have, with old tech relying on ballistics and new tech using mostly energy, with mid tech ships being balanced. And the type of defenses they have, with older ships having better armor and newer ships having better shields.

[Sarkovar]

High-tech is old? alright then...

The Paragon is the most technologically advanced ship ever designed (that we know of) and it's at least 206 years old. So yes high-tech is old, every ship in the game is old.

[Mattk50]

Catra is just intentionally being difficult, ignore his trolling. If he keeps it up he'll be well known for it before long.

The onslaught is low tech, the eagle is mid tech, therefore the onslaught is outdated in comparison and follows trends that med-high tech ships follow, which happen to include better anti-fighter capabilities. IIRC in the lore fighters came into play in major capacity after low tech had its hayday, so it makes sense that they would be more ill equipped to deal with them and more focused on killing other big ships. The properties of the low tech ships do also not only in lore but in reality seem to make them more vulnerable to fighters, lots of armor and less shielding means that the fighters and bombers dont have to bother going through as much shield before they can deliver high explosive damage right to where it hurts. They are slower too and really like their forward hardpoints which means its harder to get a good firing angle with main guns on the quick and maneuverable fighters, but their point defense isn't something to either be discounted or said to be damning for fighters.

[Catra]

lol? ustillmadbro?

seriously, you're the one trolling by trying to slander me at every opportunity you see.

[Thaago]

lol? ustillmadbro?

seriously, you're the one trolling by trying to slander me at every opportunity you see.

Nah, thats me. Of course if I took every opportunity I wouldn't have time to sleep.

[icepick37]

Catra is not a troll. He's very obstinate, but I don't think he's out to be dickish. Let's not get into forum slap fights please.

[Thaago]

Yeah, sorry about that. It was funnier in my head?