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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.1
« Reply #750 on: June 05, 2023, 01:36:59 PM »

Also 2 things relating to the character skills.
1. are you gonna add elite versions to the skills you've changed?
Its kinda awkward still being able to make them elite but it not having any elite effect.

Yes.  I want to add a greater combat readiness bonus.

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And 2, i feel like the effect for the Training skills could use some work. Just a combat readiness boost seems a bit boring.

I agree that Training should affect gameplay more and therefore wonder if I could make Combat Readiness harder to get and more important. 

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And its extremely rough that Missile weapon Training only has the combat readiness buff while still being a max tier skill. Its just anticlimatic and it forces a player to invest 7 skill points JUST to get the effect on a ship with all 3 weapon mount types. Thats half the default max level entirely invested to make 1 skill work. Honestly
If you want to stick with the combat readieness thing, i suggest just putting Missile weapon Training as a level 1 skill with the rest and replacing it with one that actually makes sense to be max tier.

If I can fix that problem without endangering saves, then I will.

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(Also built in weapons are basically always considered universal weapon mounts. Thereby you automatically need all 3 training skills to get the skills effect on any ship with built in weapons.

Not true.  The skills first check weapon slot type, which for built-in weapons is BUILT_IN, and, upon finding any built-in weapons, check the type of the weapon. 

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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #751 on: June 06, 2023, 09:59:52 AM »

Unfortunately I'm getting an in-combat crash (different than the post-combat crashes you fixed). This only just happened upon fighting doritos for the first time this campaign so I suspect the crash is related to them. I confirmed the crash happened consistently no matter what ships I used and the crash happens on 1.25.2 and an older version. From a little testing, I think the crash happens when the dorito dies and transforms but I am not positive.

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254486 [Thread-3] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain  - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at listeners.DamageModel.modifyDamageTaken(DamageModel.java:196)
at com.fs.starfarer.api.combat.listeners.CombatListenerUtil.modifyDamageTaken(CombatListenerUtil.java:68)
at com.fs.starfarer.api.combat.listeners.CombatListenerUtil.modifyDamageTaken(CombatListenerUtil.java:60)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.entities.Ship.applyDamage(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.E.super.A.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.E.oOOO.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.E.oOOO.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advanceInner(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #752 on: June 06, 2023, 10:58:55 AM »

Unfortunately I'm getting an in-combat crash (different than the post-combat crashes you fixed). This only just happened upon fighting doritos for the first time this campaign so I suspect the crash is related to them. I confirmed the crash happened consistently no matter what ships I used and the crash happens on 1.25.2 and an older version. From a little testing, I think the crash happens when the dorito dies and transforms but I am not positive.

Code
254486 [Thread-3] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain  - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at listeners.DamageModel.modifyDamageTaken(DamageModel.java:196)
at com.fs.starfarer.api.combat.listeners.CombatListenerUtil.modifyDamageTaken(CombatListenerUtil.java:68)
at com.fs.starfarer.api.combat.listeners.CombatListenerUtil.modifyDamageTaken(CombatListenerUtil.java:60)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.entities.Ship.applyDamage(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.E.super.A.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.E.oOOO.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.E.oOOO.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advanceInner(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

Yeah that's the issue I've been having as well recently, I believe they're looking into it.
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #753 on: June 07, 2023, 02:22:20 AM »

Got a fairly frequent CTD that went away after disabling Realistic Combat specifically (occurred in both the simulator and in-campaign battles):
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815224 [Thread-3] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain  - java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -1
java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: -1
   at RealisticCombat.renderers.Status.renderInlineIndicator(Status.java:146)
   at RealisticCombat.renderers.Status.renderDiamond(Status.java:186)
   at RealisticCombat.renderers.Status.render(Status.java:203)
   at RealisticCombat.plugins.Indication.renderInWorldCoords(Indication.java:70)
   at com.fs.starfarer.title.Object.for$Oo.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.super.new.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher.o00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:750)
Instead of Realistic Combat's own radar (via setting "enabled" to false in Radar.json), I prefer LazyWizard's Combat Radar instead, so it seems as though there's a conflict in rendering certain on-screen indicators that doesn't occur if Realistic Combat is disabled entirely.

Addendum: Ideally, I would prefer to keep some of this mod's radar / UI overlay; the easy ID-ing of missile(s)/projectile type(s) flying about during a battle and check multiple target(s) hull strength w/o having to 'lock on' or 'hover' the cursor over them, hence why I have reported this CTD.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2023, 02:37:36 AM by TimeDiver »
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #754 on: June 08, 2023, 02:46:03 PM »

DUDE the weapons no fire, no matter what i do it no work. please my name is artyom if you wanted to know
help real combat favorite mod
i no want to play without but
this version no work
please
fix
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #755 on: June 10, 2023, 05:11:47 AM »

Hey. Big old problem with the beam nerf.

While i agree continual beams needed a nerf, pulse beams were already quite bad.

Now pulse beams like Tachyon Lances are absolutely worthless.
A radiant with 5 tachyon lances can't even kill a single dominator.
I've tested it multiple times. The Radiant lost every round.
The Radiant literally runs out of Sabots because the Tachyon lances are so bad at dealing damage.

Meanwhile a Radiant with 5 high intensity lasers can still solo paragons with absolute ease.
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #756 on: June 10, 2023, 08:32:14 AM »

Also High Scatter Amplifier does not appear to work and Advanced Optics appears to be locked to 0 range increase.
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #757 on: June 10, 2023, 09:25:07 AM »

9936553 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain  - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
   at RealisticCombat.listeners.DamageModel.modifyDamageTaken(DamageModel.java:252)
   at com.fs.starfarer.api.combat.listeners.CombatListenerUtil.modifyDamageTaken(CombatListenerUtil.java:68)
   at com.fs.starfarer.api.combat.listeners.CombatListenerUtil.modifyDamageTaken(CombatListenerUtil.java:60)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.entities.Ship.applyDamage(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.E.A.super.super(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.E.A.super(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.E.A.super(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advanceInner(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher.super(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:745)


CTD when I finished battles with [REDACTED] shunt guards and later units
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #758 on: June 13, 2023, 05:11:15 AM »

How does this mod change additional armor damages such as Breacher and Disintegrator? Especially the latter, given it makes sense that Disintegrator reduces armor locally?
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #759 on: June 14, 2023, 12:07:55 PM »

I believe I've ran into another CTD bug involving Realistic Combat. At least it is related to combat once again.

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3703643 [Thread-3] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain  - java.lang.NegativeArraySizeException
java.lang.NegativeArraySizeException
   at renderers.Status.getVertices(Status.java:89)
   at renderers.Status.renderInlineIndicator(Status.java:144)
   at renderers.Status.renderDiamond(Status.java:186)
   at renderers.Status.render(Status.java:203)
   at plugins.Indication.renderInWorldCoords(Indication.java:70)
   at com.fs.starfarer.title.Object.for$Oo.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.super.new.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher.o00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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it happens now and again in the middle of battles, mostly with pirates and Luddic Path fleets. But not always, I've as of yet not really been able to find out a way to reproduce it other than fighting the same fleet over and over again.

I do run a fair few more mods now, including a few ones that adds ships, so I wonder if the issue might lie in there? No clue.

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BigBeans Ship compilation,
Fuel Siphoning,
Junk Yard Dogs,
LazyLib,
LunaLib,
MagicLib,
Nexerelin,
Ore Refinery,
Realistic Combat,
Starship Legends,
Support ships Pack,
Terraforming & Station construction.
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #760 on: June 17, 2023, 09:08:09 AM »

Can you help me understand armor penetration, specifically surface armor?

So from the field guide my understanding is that whatever armor rating of your ship, 1/15th of that value is your outer / surface armor.  This is the amount of armor that must be penetrated for ANY damage to be applied to ship hull.  So if a ship has 750 armor, only effective hits dealing more than 50 penetrative damage will start to apply hull damage to the ship.  So that would mean an IR pulse laser's energy blast would do nothing (50 energy damage @ 100% penetration = 50, under 50+ threshold to penetrate surface armor), or a machine gun bullet would do nothing (25 kinetic damage @ 150% penetration = 37.5, under 50+ threshold), or even some massive fragmentation weapon dealing 400 damage would do nothing (400 fragmentation damage @ 12.5% penetration = 50, under 50+ threshold).

And my understanding is this damage would be further mitigated by angling.  So ok, great, you shot a 50 damage kinetic round at the target which should do a max armor penetration of 75 if it impacted at 90 degrees to the target, but the shot actually hit at a 45 degree angle, so maybe it only does 1/2 or 37.5 effective penetrative damage and still does no hull damage because it can't penetrate the surface armor.

However, I'm not sure I'm seeing this play out.  I have fighter wings which have a fragmentation damage weapon which deals 50 per hit.  I would expect them to shred unarmored missiles and fighters given the 200% ship damage multiplier fragmentation damage does, as well as hard flux the heck out of shielded targets given the 200% shield damage multiplier fragmentation damage does.  However, I would expect those hits to do nothing to any ship with more than 100 armor, as the frag damage's max armor penetration would be 6.25.  Yet I'm seeing these fighters able to dispatch hounds, cerebus, and other frigates with 400 armor (26.67 surface armor).

What am I not understanding in the math?  Is projectile speed also playing into damage calculations?  Like the fact the fighters are dive bombing in at 500 speed against an enemy racing toward them at 400 speed, creating +900 relative speed difference when the bullet hits adds massively to the effective damage value?  That still seems like a massive step up, going from a 6.25 armor penetration base value to something that defeats 26.67 surface armor.  Is my understanding of angling damage calculation wrong, that a 90 degree hit isn't a 1x multiplier but like a 10x multiplier, and a 1 degree hit is a 1x multiplier?  And since fighters are doing strafing runs they are landing nearly 100% 90 degree angle hits on their targets?

Also, beam damage.  How much higher is the damage multiplier at point blank range?  6x?  Mining lasers are shown as having 30 energy beam damage, and I believe I'm still seeing borer drones using them do some hull damage against 1600 armor heavy armor eradicators (107 surface armor).  The borers get close, but not point blank, so they still have to be doing 4x or more to be penetrating the surface armor as they are.
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #761 on: June 18, 2023, 12:35:35 PM »

572265 [Thread-3] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain  - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
   at RealisticCombat.com.fs.starfarer.api.impl.campaign.skills.EnergyWeaponTraining$Level1.apply(EnergyWeaponTraining.java:62)
   at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CharacterStats.applyPersonalToStats(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CharacterStats.applyPersonalToShip(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.entities.Ship.setCaptain(Unknown Source)
   at data.hullmods.armaa_wingCommander.assignPilotToFighters(armaa_wingCommander.java:748)
   at data.hullmods.armaa_wingCommander.applyEffectsToFighterSpawnedByShip(armaa_wingCommander.java:708)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.entities.ship.A.ooOO.while(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.entities.ship.A.ooOO.advance(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.entities.Ship.advance(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advanceInner(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher.o00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

Crash happening shortly after initiating combat.

Running game with Arma Armatura and have my flagship as a strike craft with my own wing.
Additionally I am using the Gundam UC mod craft.

Not sure if theres something wrong on my end, but this only happens with realistic combat enabled. Disabling the mods fixes it.

My modlist:

"pantera_ANewLevel40",
  "advanced_gunnery_control_dbeaa06e",
  "adversary",
  "A_S-F",
  "apex_design",
  "armaa",
  "automatedcommands",
  "lw_autosave",
  "Celestial Mount Circle",
  "combatactivators",
  "chatter",
  "lw_radar",
  "lw_console",
  "DetailedCombatResults",
  "edshipyard",
  "exoticatechnologies",
  "fleethistory",
  "sun_fuel_siphoning",
  "gflportraitpack",
  "GrandColonies",
  "GMDA",
  "gundam_uc",
  "HIVER",
  "sun_hyperdrive",
  "ibo_faction",
  "largerZoomOut",
  "lw_lazylib",
  "ArkLeg",
  "lunalib",
  "exshippack",
  "MagicLib",
  "MissileShipOverhaul",
  "niko_moreCombatTerrainEffects",
  "ness_saw",
  "nexerelin",
  "OcuA",
  "officerExtension",
  "oas",
  "RealisticCombat",
  "roider",
  "sun_ruthless_sector",
  "sikr",
  "speedUp",
  "sun_starship_legends",
  "stelnet",
  "alcoholism",
  "tahlan",
  "underworld",
  "uaf",
  "UNSC",
  "whichmod",
  "whichtmi",
  "XhanEmpire",
  "audio_plus",
  "shaderLib"

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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #762 on: June 18, 2023, 02:49:17 PM »

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398869 [Thread-3] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain  - java.lang.NegativeArraySizeException
java.lang.NegativeArraySizeException
   at RealisticCombat.renderers.Status.getVertices(Status.java:89)
   at RealisticCombat.renderers.Status.renderInlineIndicator(Status.java:144)
   at RealisticCombat.renderers.Status.renderDiamond(Status.java:186)
   at RealisticCombat.renderers.Status.render(Status.java:203)
   at RealisticCombat.plugins.Indication.renderInWorldCoords(Indication.java:70)
   at com.fs.starfarer.title.Object.for$Oo.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.super.new.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher.o00000(Unknown Source)
   at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
   at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)

Crashes shortly after entering combat, especially with the Luddic Path it seems like. Currently working on figuring out what mods of mine impact the luddic path and trying to test compatibility individually. Game runs fine againt LP when i disable realistic combat.

Mods currently used:
 
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"Angry Periphery",
  "anotherportraitpack",
  "lw_autosave",
  "CFT",
  "chatter",
  "lw_radar",
  "edshipyard",
  "Everybody loves KoC",
  "a111164_ExtendPack",
  "sun_fuel_siphoning",
  "interestingportraitspack",
  "Imperium",
  "lw_lazylib",
  "ArkLeg",
  "exshippack",
  "MagicLib",
  "Mayasuran Navy",
  "nexerelin",
  "kayse_phaseships",
  "RealisticCombat",
  "scalartech",
  "swp",
  "spacetruckin",
  "speedUp",
  "supportships",
  "tahlan",
  "star_federation",
  "XhanEmpire",
  "prvExtra",
  "prv",
  "shaderLib"
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« Last Edit: June 18, 2023, 02:51:24 PM by JoshuaFord »
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #763 on: June 19, 2023, 11:24:50 AM »

The issue with the most recent crashes is because of the indicators for ships, missiles and what have you. The little triangles and diamonds when you zoom way out on the map. I think it is some kind of minor incompatibility with modded in ships, from the various ship mods that have been noted in the thread so far (including the ones I run with)

The issue can be circumvented for the moment by simply turning the indicators off. By going into the RealisticCombat\data\config and in the indicators.json file

    "general":{
   "Use the default settings written into the code of":"",
   "each indicator rather than the custom settings":"",
   "in the corresponding section.":"",
   "default":true, < This one

And changing the default state to false instead of true. This turns off all the indicators on the map when you zoom out, including the ones for weapons and I believe the targeting reticule... But honestly until a fix can be pushed it's better than having to constantly worry about crashing.

As a precaution I turned off the radar as well, same place in the folders. under Radar.json, simply swapping "enabled" to false.

Doing this I've been able to avoid crashing out of a game fighting a Luddic Path fleet. I hope this helps everyone else.

Edit: Also it would be nice if we could shoot the guns without having to have our mouse squarely inside the lead indicator.
« Last Edit: June 21, 2023, 06:33:27 AM by Matheld »
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Re: [0.96.a] Realistic Combat 1.25.2
« Reply #764 on: June 26, 2023, 08:51:55 AM »

I have an issue where I cant fire anything with the regular left mouse button. I've tested without this mod and it lets me fire stuff fine but with the mod enabled I can't manually fire anything. The weapons will autofire if I have them unselected but the selected weapon will not fire no matter what I try. Any ideas? I am running some other mods such as Advanced Gunnery Control and Combat Activators.
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