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BigBrainEnergy

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DP chart
« on: May 28, 2022, 11:36:23 AM »

*not all ships participated in the survey
**batteries not included
« Last Edit: May 28, 2022, 11:39:41 AM by BigBrainEnergy »
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Re: DP chart
« Reply #1 on: May 28, 2022, 12:45:26 PM »
Anyone have a video of like 100 hegemony Kites with a Light Needler and 2 Atropos Torpedo Racks?
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Re: DP chart
« Reply #2 on: May 28, 2022, 02:47:44 PM »
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Re: DP chart
« Reply #3 on: May 30, 2022, 11:38:00 AM »
That's just kinda beautiful.
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Re: DP chart
« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2022, 01:15:30 PM »
Haha, wild. Thanks for the vid!

EDIT: Expanded Missile Racks would have added to the mayhem even more.
« Last Edit: May 30, 2022, 01:18:12 PM by Dri »
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Re: DP chart
« Reply #5 on: May 30, 2022, 02:25:59 PM »
I know this is a 'meme' video what with it being 100 ships and all, but early game I think Kites are good ships even without The Swarm. Especially if you start with the Wolf, having an ally that can mount a kinetic weapon to help bring down shields is great, and a pair of swarmer launchers will deal with shieldless hounds just fine, even beyond the ability of a fast friend to just peal off a cloud of enemies.
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Re: DP chart
« Reply #6 on: May 30, 2022, 04:13:16 PM »
Quote from: Thaago on May 30, 2022, 02:25:59 PM
I know this is a 'meme' video what with it being 100 ships and all, but early game I think Kites are good ships even without The Swarm. Especially if you start with the Wolf, having an ally that can mount a kinetic weapon to help bring down shields is great, and a pair of swarmer launchers will deal with shieldless hounds just fine, even beyond the ability of a fast friend to just peal off a cloud of enemies.

I usually blast through the early game pretty easily without needing to buy budget-friendly ships like the kite, but it sounds fun.

That being said, I think "The Swarm" could be a good late game strategy with support doctrine and derelict operations. The kites would be 1dp each and gain 3 decent skills in exchange for a few d-mods, then you build in missile racks and reinforced bulkheads on all of them and you've got your frontline settled. After you get a hundred of those you can back them up with some carriers or missile cruisers that can attack over allied ships and you'd be unstoppable. Your colonies can produce about one billion kites per month so the only real obstacle is grinding for all those story points.
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Re: DP chart
« Reply #7 on: May 30, 2022, 05:54:15 PM »
Regarding the OP's chart, two things stand out:

Drover at 15 DP - While I do remember when it used to be OP, it is so not worth 15 DP that it sticks out like a sore thumb. Equal to a Hyperion? More expensive than a Falcon? It's a liability at 15 DP. A Heron is only 5 DP more? LOL. Move it back to 12, though to be frank, I've been using Condors and not looked back. Reserve Deployment needs to be fixed before I'll ever use a Drover again and even then, not at 15 DP.

There sure are a lot of 20 DP Cruisers. I knew this but I guess seeing it visually hammers it home. That being said, I don't disagree with any of them being there.

Finally, after doing an ALL DESTROYER run, I'm not entirely convinced the Manticore is worth 12 DP, or should I say, I don't think it's operating any better/worse than a Sunder, Hammerhead or Enforcer (that all cost less DP). The Medusa is also in a tricky spot because I don't think it does any better than the Big 3 mainline Destroyers and still costs more. To be fair, the Enforcer feels far, far more powerful than 9 DP now that it has stupidly high armor. It could probably be bumped up to 10 and the Manticore down to 11. Medusa, if it stays at 12, needs more something, though I'm not sure what. I feels OP-starved for being a premium option. I'd bump it up to 100 OP.

Not to turn this into a balance thread but...visual aids help!
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Re: DP chart
« Reply #8 on: May 30, 2022, 08:07:04 PM »
I think if Drover had a system that worked it could be worth 15... or at least, it would be 50% better than the Condor if that is a 10 DP ship. Drovers just outstat Condors in so many ways including by a massive amount of speed, and can actually mount high cost wings. The Drover system used to be significantly better than the Heron's, so 2 decks + a better system on a good chasis for 15 competes well with 3 decks and a worse system (on also a good chasis, maybe even a bit better of one as its even faster) for 20. It just doesn't have that anymore.
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Re: DP chart
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2022, 01:15:40 PM »
New DP vs OP chart:

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Re: DP chart
« Reply #10 on: May 31, 2022, 01:48:37 PM »
Drover might be okay if its system did not hurt the ship by killing replacement rate.  Right now, it feels like old Ammo Feeder without the flux discount, and I wished I could rip the system out and have no system.  Aside from the system, Drover can be outfitted like a battlecarrier with guns and work alright.
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