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SethMK

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A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« on: January 21, 2022, 01:35:49 AM »

On another thread it was suggested that the Gemini could be buffed to have a it's medium missile become a large missile.

While I don't know if that would be balanced, it did make me realize there is no missile destroyer counterpart to the Sunder (destroyer with a large energy weapon) and the Manticore ( destroyer with a large ballistic weapon).

So why not have a destroyer built around a large missile weapon as it's primary weapon feature? Not sure what would be necessary to balance this but it could be an interesting ship. Maybe treat it as a mini gryphon or something as far as it's advantages and weaknesses. Probably would want to give it a different system than what the Gryphon has to avoid too much overlap between the two ships. Maybe active flares to help with PD or something. Ideally this would be a destroyer that could assist and escort a gryphon or other larger ships that could use more missiles than they carry, not something to replace that ship or any other one.
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2022, 04:58:19 AM »

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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2022, 05:01:03 AM »

If we get such a ship, then have the mount point with its main guns so that Hammer Barrage or Cyclone Reaper is useful on it.
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2022, 05:36:20 AM »

Why wouldn't that be the case?
I don't think Alex would troll us with such a destroyer having a large missile hardpoint that isn't forward facing.
Why would anyone design a ship with few weapon slots and make the most important one facing the rear? Or one side?

I figured it would be a forward facing hard point along the centerline of the ship facing forward.

Although a joke ship with it facing the rear and equiped with a system that magnified missile recoil to crazy numbers so firing a missile becomes a speed boost would be something I might expect as an April fool's joke.
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #4 on: January 21, 2022, 05:52:39 AM »

How about a joke ship where the large missile hardpoint is randomly 45 degrees to the left of the centerline?
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2022, 07:37:26 AM »

But we already have such ship!

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Colossus mk.II
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Megas

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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2022, 08:55:08 AM »

Why wouldn't that be the case?
Because it was not the case until recently.  After Aurora lost its large missile in 0.7.2, we had...

* Apogee.  The "ship where the large missile hardpoint is randomly 45 degrees to the left of the centerline".
* Astral.  It is a carrier!  It should focus on fighters first.
* Conquest.  Main guns are broadsides, but the missiles point forward.  Effectively another off by 45 degrees.
* Gryphon.  Glass cannon, brawling at optimal range for Hammers and Reapers will get it killed.  (Maybe not now.)
* Legion XIV.  Was a non-renewable resource before historian came a few releases ago.
* Odyssey.  Cannot aim all three large turrets at the same target.
* Radiant.  Cannot pilot it until Neural Link came in 0.95.1.

That leaves Champion, and that was a recent addition.  It is basically a more sluggish version of pre-0.7.2 Aurora, with less speed, less flux, but with ballistics, High Energy Focus, large energy, and the large missiles.

There are plenty of options to use Locusts, Squalls, and MIRVs.  But the ships that can use Hammer Barrage and Cyclone Reaper effectively are few.
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2022, 09:37:54 AM »

And all of those ships are larger than a destroyer... I don't think there is a single destroyer or frigate with its main weapon that can't point forward.
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2022, 12:56:37 PM »

And all of those ships are larger than a destroyer... I don't think there is a single destroyer or frigate with its main weapon that can't point forward.
Yes.  My point was the lack of good hulls for Hammer Barrage and Cyclone Reaper.  If we get a new destroyer with a large missile mount, it should not be one of the weird hulls (like Apogee) that make using Hammer Barrage/Cyclone Reaper impractical.
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2022, 01:15:43 PM »

Although a joke ship with it facing the rear and equiped with a system that magnified missile recoil to crazy numbers so firing a missile becomes a speed boost would be something I might expect as an April fool's joke.
Majority of missiles are recoilless.

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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2022, 04:52:14 PM »

Although a joke ship with it facing the rear and equiped with a system that magnified missile recoil to crazy numbers so firing a missile becomes a speed boost would be something I might expect as an April fool's joke.
Majority of missiles are recoilless.

That would be why it would need a ship system to give missiles recoil. Perhaps magnified is the wrong word choice.
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2022, 08:37:22 AM »

Why not just give that ship plasma jets? Seems more practical and less reliant on you having any particular weapon.

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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #12 on: January 22, 2022, 08:59:12 AM »

The missile recoil was a joke involving having the missed hard point facing backwards. I have no clue what would be ideal for a balanced destroyer with a large missile mount.
Don't even know if would be a low tech, high tech, or midline ship.
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #13 on: January 22, 2022, 09:39:08 AM »

But we already have such ship!

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Colossus mk.II
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That's a cruiser with a built in hammer barrage, a weapon guaranteed to not shoot any rockets directly where you aim.
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Re: A destroyer with a large missile mount.
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2022, 04:02:22 AM »

Don't even know if would be a low tech, high tech, or midline ship.

Part of me wants to believe it will be high-tech, to complement the low-tech destroyer with a large ballistic and the midline destroyer with a large energy. But reasonably it should be midline.
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