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killtime101

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how to avoid pirates?
« on: December 14, 2021, 09:21:54 AM »

So with the beginning start/system there always seems to be like 2-3 pirate groups that hound my butt when I go into hyperspace, they always are near the jump point and consistently try to force a battle. How do I deal with them/avoid them?
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Re: how to avoid pirates?
« Reply #1 on: December 14, 2021, 09:49:33 AM »

One important thing you should learn in the starting system is to split enemy fleets and pick them 1v1 or 1v2 depending on strengths on each side. If you are specifically at the point were you need to deal with the 2 pirate/rebel fleets that guard the jump point, in order to fix the jump point, then - yes - try to fight 1v1 (did you get additional ships you are supposed to obtain as part of tutorial?).

Also you may lure enemy fleets away from jump point and then escape. Or lure enemy fleets to a Hegemony fleet and then fight enemy fleets with some help. You get the idea.  :)

Depending on how you play the first hour(s), your fleet may end-up being strong enough that Pirates won't bother you anymore when you finally leave Galatia Star System. Realistically this is not something a beginner may achieve in first play-through, but eventually you'll get better and better at it.
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Re: how to avoid pirates?
« Reply #2 on: December 14, 2021, 10:16:23 AM »

One important thing you should learn in the starting system is to split enemy fleets and pick them 1v1 or 1v2 depending on strengths on each side. If you are specifically at the point were you need to deal with the 2 pirate/rebel fleets that guard the jump point, in order to fix the jump point, then - yes - try to fight 1v1 (did you get additional ships you are supposed to obtain as part of tutorial?).

Also you may lure enemy fleets away from jump point and then escape. Or lure enemy fleets to a Hegemony fleet and then fight enemy fleets with some help. You get the idea.  :)

Depending on how you play the first hour(s), your fleet may end-up being strong enough that Pirates won't bother you anymore when you finally leave Galatia Star System. Realistically this is not something a beginner may achieve in first play-through, but eventually you'll get better and better at it.

For the tutorial ship question. I think (in my noob opinion) that honestly feels kinda wrong/awkward to use a tutorial to JUST get more ships in terms of getting stuff that I "shouldn't" get from the starter fleet menu anyways since said menu is supposed to help build the beginning fleet so I can, you know, play the game. Because that just makes me feel like that is a noob trap in the unpleasant way.
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Re: how to avoid pirates?
« Reply #3 on: December 14, 2021, 10:43:00 AM »

So, did you skip tutorial entirely or just the "get more ships" part? It is viable to skip tutorial and begin your journey with just 1 or 2 frigates, but I would recommend a beginner to play tutorial 100%. Because tutorial teaches a few important things. And the combat in the starting system usually is not too brutal.

There's not much noob trap in Starsector - especially as each new release is more polished than the previous one, so less rough edges. One just needs to learn the basics, then explore gameplay freely and slowly immerse oneself into the depth. Because, yes, the game has a fair amount of depth.

Having said that, your first impressions are important, because you are the one likely to notice rough edges. So feel free to write feedback on the forum, in the end it could help improve the game!
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Re: how to avoid pirates?
« Reply #4 on: December 14, 2021, 06:07:28 PM »

So, did you skip tutorial entirely or just the "get more ships" part? It is viable to skip tutorial and begin your journey with just 1 or 2 frigates, but I would recommend a beginner to play tutorial 100%. Because tutorial teaches a few important things. And the combat in the starting system usually is not too brutal.

There's not much noob trap in Starsector - especially as each new release is more polished than the previous one, so less rough edges. One just needs to learn the basics, then explore gameplay freely and slowly immerse oneself into the depth. Because, yes, the game has a fair amount of depth.

Having said that, your first impressions are important, because you are the one likely to notice rough edges. So feel free to write feedback on the forum, in the end it could help improve the game!

I skipped the tutorial for this run since I picked back up the controls real easy. What I feel needs tuning specifically is the clarification and/or equaling the difference between starting with said tutorial for the initial fleet vs starting without it for the fleet. (or something else, I am not a game designer anyways so I don't really know how this specific issue is fixed.)  Because yes the tutorial is great for learning initially and the bonus ships is a bit nice, but with said bonus it feels like you HAVE to go all the way through it every time you start a run for any reason if you want that extra starting fleet amount. I just don't like feeling like I have to go do something that feels like it just fills up my time and is a bit extra just so I can get a tiny head start/the intended start. I mainly just feel like this is a long term play issue that only becomes apparent after doing the tutorial the first time and realizing it when making a new run after that with the beginning fleet menu.
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Re: how to avoid pirates?
« Reply #5 on: December 14, 2021, 06:32:42 PM »

Because yes the tutorial is great for learning initially and the bonus ships is a bit nice, but with said bonus it feels like you HAVE to go all the way through it every time you start a run for any reason if you want that extra starting fleet amount.
Uhhh. Those ships are still there in Galatia, floating around Tetra, the same planet. You can always go get them first thing on a new run. What you will miss out on, by skipping the tutorial, is the lead on a contact, the Mudskipper, the free weapons and the unlocked storage on Ancyra.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2021, 06:34:21 PM by IonDragonX »
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Re: how to avoid pirates?
« Reply #6 on: December 14, 2021, 07:08:46 PM »

Because yes the tutorial is great for learning initially and the bonus ships is a bit nice, but with said bonus it feels like you HAVE to go all the way through it every time you start a run for any reason if you want that extra starting fleet amount.
Uhhh. Those ships are still there in Galatia, floating around Tetra, the same planet. You can always go get them first thing on a new run. What you will miss out on, by skipping the tutorial, is the lead on a contact, the Mudskipper, the free weapons and the unlocked storage on Ancyra.

ah, thanks for the clarification for that man.  :)
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Re: how to avoid pirates?
« Reply #7 on: December 14, 2021, 07:13:23 PM »

You can also just pick the hammerhead fast start. It's pretty much the exact same ships you get from the tutorial.
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Re: how to avoid pirates?
« Reply #8 on: December 14, 2021, 07:29:16 PM »

You can also just pick the hammerhead fast start. It's pretty much the exact same ships you get from the tutorial.
"pretty much the exact same ships you get from the tutorial" but you can get two Hammerheads!
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