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Re: justify why people arent using the [redacted]
« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2021, 09:45:33 PM »

if thats the case, I think what would square this circle is the game dropping a hint somewhere else in the game implying that someone else has done this before, so that ur player isnt the first/only person to have ever figured this out in the entire (known) galaxy (which would be very unlikely seeing as "figure out how to use the gates" has to be the most #1 researched thing in the entire galaxy. Cuz, you know, people can probably see that ur using the gates. & if someone had figured it out & kept doing it, even if they kept how they were doing it a secret, it would be pretty unlikely that there wouldnt at least be a rumor that somebody had a magic trick to use the gates.

The most realistic reaction would be that all major powers would want that device. And they would be willing to do anything. Offer you untold riches, and failing that, direct violent action. And not by sending a single fleet after you, they'd probably be willing to send almost everything they have. But even more likely they'd send a million agents to steal it or assasiante you.

And if you somehow managed to elude them all, keeping it to yourself, I also see it as very likely the factions would usnite against you. A combined armada to take it form you.

Realistically speaking, the player would be in deep, DEEP s***.
Just to check up, you're claiming that the most realistic reaction of:

the Hegemony, (who hates TT and the Diktat, and has stressful-at-best ties with the Persean League)
the Luddic Church (who hates TT and, well, technology in general)
the Persean League (who exists solely because they hate the Hegemony more than they hate themselves)
the Tri-Tachyon (who hates the Hegemony
and the Sindrian Diktat (who hates the Hegemony and foreigners in general)

Will all huddle together, set aside their centuries of differences while singing kumbaya, and collectively unite into a five-nation army... because you have a hat trick.

No no, all the factions putting aside 2 centuries of geopolitical conflicts and 2 sector-wide AI wars to harass the player is totally realistic.  Don't seek out Baird for ultimately failing to fulfill her end of the agreement by alienating the entire team, not Scylla & Coreuse for actually knowing how to create and (importantly) replicate it, not the research documents nor the tools used to create the device itself.  In fact, why leave it at the 5?  Let's invite the Pathers and the Pirates into this coalition and we can call it a Seven-nation army, and we can even invite the disembodied heads (Futurama Style) of The White Stripes for a concert.

Yeah no.  While the prototype Janus device is a useful device, it's not by itself a mechanism whose mere possession would warrant blatant declarations of war (except perhaps from the Sindrian Diktat, given their perspective on the Ziggurat), let alone a military union of nations to form against an otherwise mostly law-abiding citizen of the Persean Sector.  That's not realistic, and it's just not how politics works.
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Re: justify why people arent using the [redacted]
« Reply #31 on: June 11, 2021, 12:41:11 AM »

a military union of nations to form against an otherwise mostly law-abiding citizen of the Persean Sector. 

Yes... Law abiding... Please ignore the pile of guns and drugs in my cargo hold <.< >.>
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Re: justify why people arent using the [redacted]
« Reply #32 on: June 11, 2021, 01:49:26 AM »

Just to check up, you're claiming that the most realistic reaction of:

the Hegemony, (who hates TT and the Diktat, and has stressful-at-best ties with the Persean League)
the Luddic Church (who hates TT and, well, technology in general)
the Persean League (who exists solely because they hate the Hegemony more than they hate themselves)
the Tri-Tachyon (who hates the Hegemony
and the Sindrian Diktat (who hates the Hegemony and foreigners in general)

Will all huddle together, set aside their centuries of differences while singing kumbaya, and collectively unite into a five-nation army... because you have a hat trick.

No and yes.

You don't have to sing jumbaya to assisinate the same person. Things is none of them would want their piece of tech to fall into the hands of the other. They would rather see it destroyed. If I can't have it, no one can.

Of course, I'm under no illusion that the second your fleet is blown to bits the assasination armada wouldn't turn on each-other, in an effort to  either steal the key or destroy it.



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Yeah no.  While the prototype Janus device is a useful device, it's not by itself a mechanism whose mere possession would warrant blatant declarations of war (except perhaps from the Sindrian Diktat, given their perspective on the Ziggurat), let alone a military union of nations to form against an otherwise mostly law-abiding citizen of the Persean Sector.  That's not realistic, and it's just not how politics works.

You have no clue what nations and secret services have been up to in the real world do you? Truth is often stranger than fiction.

A device that allows an entire fleet to pop into your backyard is a massive security risk. And while you might be a "law-abdiding citizen" (or maybe not, you can me a murder-hobo supreme), that device wont' stay in your possesion forever.
Granted, the entry points being known reduces that danger somewhat.
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Re: justify why people arent using the [redacted]
« Reply #33 on: June 11, 2021, 01:56:06 AM »

Stuff like that would encourage players to colonize a single system, and build High Commands on every planet to infest his system with patrols that would intercept some of those fleets, and player can then pick off stragglers with support from Star Fortress.  Well, players tend to do this already.  If core is so angry that they want him dead and willing to set aside all differences for classic "Gang Up on the Human" trope, then player can prepare and exploit that before triggering that event, perhaps combining that with abusing overpowered combat features (like Doom cheese).

Or, player can pick off non-quest planets one-by-one (either sat bomb or excessive raiding) before his triggers any quests that would anger all of the core worlds.

If core worlds wants to kill off the player, then player can find a way to be Rambo and give them a war they cannot win.

Yes, it's a game, so the player can do whatever.
But in any sensible scenario, there's no way a player would even have an empire that could be more than a speedbump.

In the spawn of but a few years the player can terraform entire planets, build and expand infrastructure to rival core worlds, expand his population to absurd amounts and build mega-projects of insane scale and cost for pocket change and near instantly.

Realistically, the player could NEVER have enough industry or resoruces, or fleets to fend off even one faction.

"Muh Domain-era tech" is nothing but a handwave.
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Re: justify why people arent using the [redacted]
« Reply #34 on: June 11, 2021, 04:20:50 AM »

For starters the story seems designed to be played in the early game so the player wouldn't be in a position to field an army to stop that. But playing it late game makes some of the encounters seem a bit silly, like NPC fleets trying to threaten you while you're in open war with their faction and heading a war fleet twice the size of their interception group.

Also the Janus device isn't worth that much. Sure, you can travel through gates but it's only a bit faster than hyperspace travel and forces you to enter through a gate while hyperspace lets you drop into normal space at any planet you want. For a war fleet it's almost useless. Travel among the core worlds doesn't warrant the use of such a device. The only real value lies in opening the gates outside the sector but that's not what you've accomplished there.
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Re: justify why people arent using the [redacted]
« Reply #35 on: June 11, 2021, 04:36:15 AM »

Also the Janus device isn't worth that much. Sure, you can travel through gates but it's only a bit faster than hyperspace travel and forces you to enter through a gate while hyperspace lets you drop into normal space at any planet you want.
It's instantaneous, while flying just from one system to an adjacent one is days of travel, and it also only costs half the fuel.
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