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Author Topic: Defending fleets shouldn't be able to force a station battle  (Read 3855 times)

Goumindong

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Re: Defending fleets shouldn't be able to force a station battle
« Reply #30 on: April 28, 2021, 12:00:47 AM »

They don't chase you when you turn around, they go back to their station. But you turning around and getting ready for battle is quite literally the purpose of harry. If you turn around and get ready to fight then you're dumping CR. They don't take the engagement and run away if you do. But they're forcing you to be ready to fight them.

That is how harrying has always worked. How do you think it works if you want to run away from a larger force when you're a smaller force? They small ships harass you and when you turn to attack the harassers the harassers retreat to the main force preventing you from engaging.

And you indeed can harry any force that does not want to engage you. You cannot harry forces that want to engage you because they aren't leaving the engagement range...
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Stormlock

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Re: Defending fleets shouldn't be able to force a station battle
« Reply #31 on: April 28, 2021, 09:02:34 AM »

They small ships harass you and when you turn to attack the harassers the harassers retreat to the main force preventing you from engaging.

This is the part you aren't understanding. The harassers don't retreat. They don't need to retreat because the main force is coming to them, and fanning out around them to surround the weaker force. So the weaker force can't even try to hold ground against harassing units because it would force a full engagement. Not even with a fraction of it's own force, because then they'd get surrounded and split up. It has to just move away at top speed the whole time, as a group.

There's no reason to do that vs a station. The station isn't going to catch up. The station isn't going to surround you. You don't need afterburners to get away. You don't need to spend any more supplies than the picket does.
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snicka

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Re: Defending fleets shouldn't be able to force a station battle
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2021, 10:01:48 AM »

Middle ground suggestion - " Anchoring "

The fleet exectues a manouver which results in a position fortified by station's fire arcs.

Pros: The station always supports anchored fleet and vice versa, the anch fleet can harry.

Cons: The manouver must be performed basically while sticking to the station side by side, cant move, takes time to execute ( think reverse pulse ).

Possibile SP action : create a diversion to force the anchored fleet into a direct battle without station support.

When caught during preparation time : chase style battle with station present in far up side.

Multiple fleets could flock to the station and orderly surround it. Should also prevent the weird and wonky situation where pickets surround stations like angry bees trying to reach out on the maximum distance to use the station as a CR eating stinger.
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