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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #105 on: August 04, 2020, 08:57:58 PM »

low tech ships are automatically better because there are no mid or high tech tankers. Therefore if you want a mono-colored engine trail fleet you must use only low tech ships.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #106 on: August 07, 2020, 09:35:04 PM »

low tech ships are automatically better because there are no mid or high tech tankers. Therefore if you want a mono-colored engine trail fleet you must use only low tech ships.

This is what mods are for  8)
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #107 on: August 10, 2020, 10:27:28 AM »

The hound should be higher. Put reinforced bulkheads, maybe blast-doors, and it's survivability rises. With a hypervelocity driver tacked on it makes for a good, cheap arty piece.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #108 on: August 10, 2020, 12:23:13 PM »

The hound should be higher. Put reinforced bulkheads, maybe blast-doors, and it's survivability rises. With a hypervelocity driver tacked on it makes for a good, cheap arty piece.

I second this.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #109 on: September 01, 2020, 08:25:53 AM »

Why Lasher is so low? It's OP thanks to low cost, Feeder and many weapons mounts. SO playership it's brutal.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #110 on: September 01, 2020, 08:37:33 AM »

Why Lasher is so low? It's OP thanks to low cost, Feeder and many weapons mounts. SO playership it's brutal.
The whole list is so cursed that most people missed Lasher being in E tier.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #111 on: September 01, 2020, 09:56:40 AM »

why do people like Bowling Ball Ship so much; flux shunt is cool but I never thought of the monitor as an S-tier ship
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #112 on: September 01, 2020, 10:30:57 AM »

why do people like Bowling Ball Ship so much; flux shunt is cool but I never thought of the monitor as an S-tier ship

It was fun when it could defeat enemies by shield bumping.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #113 on: September 03, 2020, 02:41:39 AM »

can AI also use monitor shieldsponge like that?
with and without officers
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #114 on: September 03, 2020, 07:28:46 PM »

Can we talk more about the Conquest being F tier? It's probably my favorite ship: obviously can't beat a Paragon 1v1, but I'd take it versus an Onslaught or a Mora due to its maneuverability. Battlecruisers rule: it's got DPS that punches super high while maintaining the maneuverability to keep you safe.

I also just think the asymmetrical design makes it one of the most fun ships to play as. You can basically slice yourself a free flank off a loose enemy formation by just using your flak side to keep yourself safe from missiles and pop any low DP ships while keeping your actual target on the heavy gun side.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #115 on: September 03, 2020, 10:12:51 PM »

Some builds can take on a Paragon, though its a slow process. I've become quite taken with 2x Gauss on them recently, it has the flux to run them and its a lot of high accuracy kinetic damage.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #116 on: September 04, 2020, 02:45:28 AM »

Can we talk more about the Conquest being F tier? It's probably my favorite ship: obviously can't beat a Paragon 1v1

Not only can Conquest beat a Paragon 1v1, it does so on autopilot with the right build. 2xGauss, 2x Squall (separate groups for staggered fire), 2x Harpoon, max out hullmods and flux.

...But in a fleet setting AI Conquest is guaranteed to waste Squalls on unimportant targets or fail to pursue Paragon on high flux. So being able to defeat Paragon on autopilot applies only to duel scenario.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #117 on: September 04, 2020, 08:44:46 AM »

And if we mention Paragon, why would it be in tier D?

Lets be honest, it's not tier S, but D is unfair obviously.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #118 on: September 04, 2020, 09:18:39 AM »

The Conquest is not F-tier by any stretch. I think it gets a bad rap because people expect it to be something it's not. It's an opportunist, not a slugger, and its not not supposed to be trading shots with capitals but rather with cruisers. It's a cruiser-killer. It outmaneuvers the Dominator, outguns the Eagle/Aurora, and can lay waste to Destroyers. Its shield is a tell-tale sign that it's not supposed to take a lot of hits: not only is it in a limited arc but it has poor efficiency.

A well-built Conquest is like most of the Midline fleet: a really good generalist that gets out-shined by the specialists in their respective niches. I like flying Conquests as a flagship because I don't feel like I lose a lot speed going up from a Cruiser but boy do I gain a lot of firepower. I don't expect it to take on well-built Paragons, Onslaughts or Stations by itself but I know I can take out about anything else.

If it specializes in anything, its sustained firepower. With its superb dissipation and capacity, along with the efficiency of Ballistics, it wins almost all flux wars if armed correctly. I don't think its maximum focused firepower is top-tier but it can sustain it, which is important in its own right.

Odyssey is in about the same boat but it trades some firepower for extra burst speed relative to the Conquest. It can also absorb more damage because its shield efficiency is stellar.
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Re: My personal vanilla Starsector ships Tier-list
« Reply #119 on: September 04, 2020, 09:45:11 AM »

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The Conquest is not F-tier by any stretch. I think it gets a bad rap because people expect it to be something it's not. It's an opportunist, not a slugger, and its not not supposed to be trading shots with capitals but rather with cruisers. It's a cruiser-killer. It outmaneuvers the Dominator, outguns the Eagle/Aurora, and can lay waste to Destroyers. Its shield is a tell-tale sign that it's not supposed to take a lot of hits: not only is it in a limited arc but it has poor efficiency.

A well-built Conquest is like most of the Midline fleet: a really good generalist that gets out-shined by the specialists in their respective niches. I like flying Conquests as a flagship because I don't feel like I lose a lot speed going up from a Cruiser but boy do I gain a lot of firepower. I don't expect it to take on well-built Paragons, Onslaughts or Stations by itself but I know I can take out about anything else.

If it specializes in anything, its sustained firepower. With its superb dissipation and capacity, along with the efficiency of Ballistics, it wins almost all flux wars if armed correctly. I don't think its maximum focused firepower is top-tier but it can sustain it, which is important in its own right.

Odyssey is in about the same boat but it trades some firepower for extra burst speed relative to the Conquest. It can also absorb more damage because its shield efficiency is stellar.
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If you were a salesperson, you couldn't sell it! ©

Mister, that was the worst advertisement of Conquest, I ever hear. It's wonderful machine, capable of doing almost anything, including those things you mention it can't. Yeah, it can not do a lot of things alone, but Conquest is a great team player! Being fast and mighty it able to support allies and receive support from them effectively. Pair of Onslaughts will definitely interfere with each other, pair of Paragons are too slow to maneuver properly, but a pair of Conquests could be fearsome! Also, they work as a good companion to carriers, especially if carrier i fast enough.
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