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[Astraltor]

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[sotanaht]

Are you not running an actual final?  Double elimination requires 2 if the losers bracket wins first match.  You can't just say varya got second, that's not how double elim works.

[Thaago]

Are you not running an actual final?  Double elimination requires 2 if the losers bracket wins first match.  You can't just say varya got second, that's not how double elim works.

I thought the same as you, but apparently many double elimination tournaments go until the finals and then just... stop? Seems to be how a lot of them work.

In either case, all the participants agreed to the outcome, so its fine with us.

[wtftucker]

I'm not sure why people are thinking their should have been another round to be honest.  In my personal experience from other double elimination tournaments the only change over what happened (which wouldn't have changed who actually won) is that Vayra would have entered the match up 1 game by default as not having ever lost.  In essence she would only have needed to win 2 games prior to her competitor winning three.  It remains a BO5 rule set but with only the losers bracket challenger needing to take 3 games for the win.  This method equalizes the loss in previous BO1 rounds. 

[sotanaht]

There should be another full match.  The forum keeps giving me errors when I try to explain this.

[namad]

Ever watch an esports tournament? they're almost all double elim 1 finals.

Many many years ago they used to give the winners bracket team a game up though, true, but they never required an identical finals rematch. Most of the people who think this are basing it merely on the words "double elimination" but 99% of the double elimination tournaments through time haven't worked this way. It's a name, not a ruleset. It's silly to think two words can describe a ruleset. Even the selected bracket making software had no option for an identical finals rematch because.... well no one wants that option typically.

Also I'm trying to get alex to change sabot coding (without actually nerfing them, just trying to see if he knows a way to improve the ai) https://twitter.com/amosolov/status/1178315457977360384

[Tartiflette]

It doesn't happen often in broadcasted tournaments for convienience reasons (like scheduling a final finals in advance that may or may not be necessary), but in theory a double elimination tournament should have two finals if the winner bracket looses the first finals.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-elimination_tournament
https://www.r2sports.com/linkGallery/double-elimination-brackets.asp
https://www.gamecolony.com/double.html

etc. All sources will tell you the same: the "IF" final round is often skipped only to avoid scheduling headaches but otherwise is the proper way to conduct a double elimination tournament.

[Thaago]

I think for next tourney we should do a swiss system and the same number of matches as single elimination... fewer rounds, doesn't eliminate people.

[Tartiflette]

Yeah, after the first couple of double elimination tournaments I used an hybrid of several small swiss system brackets then a round robin for the finalists from each brackets. That both limited the number of matches, helped to keep some consistency in the streams durations and ensured every participants could play at least three bouts.

[Hrothgar]

When we can expect PPvsAi tourmanent, Tartiflette?

[Grievous69]

When we can expect PPvsAi tourmanent, Tartiflette?

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You went too far mister, this is unacceptable.

[Hrothgar]

Wut?

[Alfa Cor]

Wut?

pp

[Thaago]

* sigh * What is this, middle school?

[Grievous69]

* sigh * What is this, middle school?

No this is Patrick