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What role does the Legion have in your fleet and how do you prioritize its equipment?

Carrier-first. Best fighters/bombers. Carrier officer.
- 12 (30.8%)
Battlecruiser-first. Best guns, vents, etc. Combat officer.
- 3 (7.7%)
Balanced approach. Officer with some combat and carrier skills.
- 19 (48.7%)
Defensive/tank. Let the enemy smash themselves like water upon the rock.
- 2 (5.1%)
Something else entirely (do tell!)
- 3 (7.7%)

Total Members Voted: 39


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Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« on: October 07, 2017, 03:22:44 PM »

Seems like there's been a lull in activity around here so here's a poll.

The Legion is one of my favorite ships from 0.8 because of how versatile it is. You can play it like a larger Dominator that happens to have 4 flight decks or like a Carrier that happens to have a bunch of guns/armor. The Odyssey isn't quite in the same situation because its carrier capabilities aren't nearly as robust as the Legion's.

For Legions in my fleet, I try to take a balanced approach but tend to give Legions carrier officers, hopefully with some movement and armor combat skills. However, when I use a Legion as a flagship, I treat it much more like a battlecruiser with replenishing missiles (i.e. bombers). It can slug it out with just about anything and the fighters add to its impressive firepower.

How do you use it?
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #1 on: October 07, 2017, 03:47:03 PM »

I like them balanced, giving an ability to fight close range but wider area bombers like piranhas, and as escorts to my other capitals. if i am piloting an onslaught, i want a legion by my side. I would give them 2 sabot pods, 3 harpoon pods, expanded missile racks with a MKIX autocannon and a devastator. this lets it fight off nearly any threat smaller than itself, and pose a threat to ships with more firepower.

Carrier skills come first, then the defensive skills.
« Last Edit: October 07, 2017, 03:49:25 PM by StarSchulz »
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2017, 03:48:03 PM »

I don't use it but I can see it as a Pilum/ LRM boat with two large mounts and 4 wings of fighters. So most likely a long range artillery support ship
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2017, 03:54:10 PM »

i haven't played around with Legion a whole lot so far, but as with battlecarriers in general, i usually go heavily into support fighters, with the ship itself being outfitted for direct combat. having a bunch of Xyphos providing some PD coverage to the vulnerable rear, adding several Ion Beams to the weapon loadout, and maneuvering to cover the ship from enemy fire during overload or venting, can add a lot of combat power. and they're durable enough to not get instantly shot down whenever the parent ship gets close enemies of similar size. 4 Xyphos wings would be overkill, but mixing them with other support fighters from mods, or with some bombers for well-timed strikes (assuming you control the ship yourself ^^), works very well.
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2017, 05:19:20 PM »

Heavy Assault Battlecarrier.

Kinetic loadout: 2x Mark IX, 3x Heavy Autocannon, 0 point defense (shields take all damage)

High Explosive fighter bays: 4x Khopesh bomber wings

Hullmods: Unstable Injector, (ITU as needed).

Put the rest of OP into flux capacitors and vents

Playstyle:

burn drive straight at the enemy, recall fighters until enemy shields are down, then deploy bombers to obliterate everything. This rips apart onslaughts and everything else.

Officer: Aggressive or reckless. All carrier skills, must have "higher speed" combat skill
« Last Edit: October 07, 2017, 05:24:42 PM by gruberscomplete »
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #5 on: October 07, 2017, 10:59:54 PM »

My layout : 5 Kinetic hyperDrive velocity.
All small mounts: PD.
Wings: 4 offensives fighters. (Or not, Xyphos are good with 5 hvd)
Controlled per a officer: aggressive.

If you have OP, put all on armor,hull,  the aggressive AI do not need ITU, he is always on the melee.




Why this layout?
He is not good enought for use the large mount, and he can use very good hyperdrive velocity. (For me)
Do not add ITU for a good reason, he can burn drive on ennemi. This is a hegemony ship. This is why i prefer add defensive hullmod.
For fighters, the most important are them who survive the better or refill fast, i think.( After, you can always just put longbow or dagger)
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #6 on: October 08, 2017, 06:17:43 PM »

Legion often takes the role of elite hero flagship that can do two or three roles well when I pilot it.  If I have quad Tachyon Lance Paragon as the primary flagship, Legion may get demoted to escort at times.  That said, Legion can sweep small enemy ships efficiently with fighters and smash nearly anything else personally, with or without fighters.

I use Legion as a fighter spammer (no bombers) and brawler (no missiles).  Best fighters AND best guns (for Legion, given its mediocre flux stats).  If the pilot has skills min-maxed for dissipation, it gets two Mjolnirs, one Heavy Mauler, four Dual Flak, and some Vulcans.  Otherwise, two Hellbore, some Needlers (either Light or Heavy), Dual Flak, and Vulcans.  Often, the front two small mounts get left empty.

If I have recovered too many Legion (D)s and not enough rare weapons, such Legion might get Open Market stuff - Mark IXs, Heavy Mortars, two single Flaks, and other cheap PD, plus Talons and Broadswords for fighters, then gets sent to fight and probably die.

Hullmods... Expanded Deck Crew, DTC/ITU, and Resistant Flux Conduits are a given.

Legion does what Odyssey should do but cannot.
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #7 on: October 08, 2017, 08:29:33 PM »

I use my Legion as a tank, with my loadouts being as flux-neutral as possible and high on PD. All fighter bays are filled with support fighters, usually the ones from Blackrock.

In fact, most ships in my fleet are anvils, with my flagship and its escort as the hammers.
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #8 on: October 08, 2017, 09:29:09 PM »

I like it with 2*broadsword and warthog. For main weapons I put 2 Devastator Cannons (I really fell in love with this gun) and 2-3 reapers launchers.
The fighters kite and flux the ennemy shield. Devastator cannons reap appart destroyers, fighters and frigates. Torpedoes are for cruisers and capital.
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #9 on: October 08, 2017, 10:11:12 PM »

I've never been able to truly see the charm of capital ships, even though I've tested them with robust hullmods to give one of them the speed and maneuver speed of a destroyer.
It's the fact that the capitals have a lot of mounts meant for turrets that are all set on auto-attack and I am not fan of some AI/lackey doing a gunnery job for me.
Just so much more fun to me to switch weapons manually and target hostiles manually. Hence my need for frontal firepower so I can aim and see my foes being hammered by my ship.
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #10 on: October 10, 2017, 03:20:34 AM »

Balanced, There are times that the game just throws in something you least expect it thus you have to be a bit more adaptive to the situation. A large ship like a legion something that needs to be flexible in such situations.

Whenever I find a Legion, I usually give it a balanced 2:2 fighter-bomber ratio, Of course, it means that its not concentrated to an actual role but it gets the job done. Give it 2 Pilums(if you are using the re-balanced pilum mod which makes them faster at the price of lower damage) for a steady supply of LRM missiles and two devastator cannons. This build makes it both support, defensive and offensive roles when needed.

As for the commander, I usually pilot it myself especially on battles that needed human judgement than an AI. If I got another one or I moved to that blue Onslaught(yes, that mod ship or any capital ship that are more focused on fire power but still has fighter bays, leave or take depending on what I find), I give it to a commander with 2-3 carrier skills and decent defensive skills and offensive skills (especially Combat Endurance and Missile Specialization) with ofcourse a Steady commander.

So far, I haven't died with this build on large battles so far...unless you count the big bad REDACTED.
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #11 on: October 17, 2017, 04:19:12 PM »

Legions currently take up a good chunk of my fleet, and are multi-role battleships in my fleet. They have excellent balance, and do well in any battle size. With a good mobility system, a solid weapons load-out for any type of officer, the ability to clean up small ships, overwhelm larger ones, and support each other from much larger distances than a traditional Battle-cruiser with no flight decks they can act as almost any ship role without much difficulty. They also still work well if they have several D-mods, which makes them attractive to a player running a salvage team.

I have three go-to load-outs I use based on the skills of the officer I'm putting in the ship, with the condition that the officer going in will always have all the carrier skills maxed. 
All varients use two wings of Warthogs, and two wings of Broadswords
For a missile/carrier I run 5 typhoon-reaper tubes, two devastator flack guns, and LMGs in the small mounts.
For a balanced carrier I run a mark IX and a helbore with a heavy mauler and a needler in the mediums in front of them, corresponding to opposite damage types. Three dual-flack in the remaining mediums, and LMGs in all the smalls.
For a long range, flux skilled captain I put two Mjolnirs in the Lrg mounts, dual-flack in the front and side mediums with Typhoon-reapers in the other two and again LMGs in all the small mounts.

For hullmods, ITU, Expanded crew deck, Recovery shuttles, and then usually just vents and capacitors.
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Re: Legion: What role does it have in your fleet?
« Reply #12 on: October 18, 2017, 11:51:20 AM »

I've been fitting Legions as heavy PD platforms - dual flak, Devastators, Pilums, Vulcans. That makes them pretty good bomber soaks: then a fighter group of Warthogs and Broadswords. Cheap and effective.
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