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Steampunkgears

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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1725 on: October 29, 2022, 12:07:46 PM »

Hi, I recently returned to SS and I ran into a DA fleet with a ! quest marker and I have no clue what its for. Talking to the fleet tells me nothing. Does anyone here know what this is?

Image https://imgur.com/a/0fhZi4e
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1726 on: October 29, 2022, 01:30:59 PM »

Hi, I recently returned to SS and I ran into a DA fleet with a ! quest marker and I have no clue what its for. Talking to the fleet tells me nothing. Does anyone here know what this is?

Image https://imgur.com/a/0fhZi4e

This are overall special fleets, mission or otherwise, this one have only one with Virtuous , special wanzer.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1727 on: November 01, 2022, 11:07:40 AM »

Hello!
First let me start out by saying I love the ship designs of this mod, the Pandemonium in particular.

Now, I don't actually play Starsector, I just stumbled upon an image of the ships a while back. Only learned what and where they were from at a later date. The reason for writhing this comment, is that I play another game, called Avorion, where you can build your own space ships and fly around in them. Sorta like minecraft in space in the editor regard. Anyhow, I know I never asked for permission (I didn't know where the ships were from at the time) but I did sorta build a, not 100% true, replica of the Pandemonium in that game. Link to it below.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2870797761

Now with that out of the way, I'd much like to apologize for taking one of your designs and running with it. It has a different name on the workshop entry, as I only learnt of the name Pandemonium from a comment to the piece later. If you so want, I can change it or take the ship down entirely.

Again, apologize for any inconveniences
Drazhill
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1728 on: November 02, 2022, 01:09:06 PM »

Hello!
First let me start out by saying I love the ship designs of this mod, the Pandemonium in particular.

Now, I don't actually play Starsector, I just stumbled upon an image of the ships a while back. Only learned what and where they were from at a later date. The reason for writhing this comment, is that I play another game, called Avorion, where you can build your own space ships and fly around in them. Sorta like minecraft in space in the editor regard. Anyhow, I know I never asked for permission (I didn't know where the ships were from at the time) but I did sorta build a, not 100% true, replica of the Pandemonium in that game. Link to it below.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2870797761

Now with that out of the way, I'd much like to apologize for taking one of your designs and running with it. It has a different name on the workshop entry, as I only learnt of the name Pandemonium from a comment to the piece later. If you so want, I can change it or take the ship down entirely.

Again, apologize for any inconveniences
Drazhill

When I said you should tell Tartiflette you made a recreation of the Pandemonium, I didn't mean you should sound apologetic about it. I think Tartiflette would be flattered that you made a recreation of his ship. I meant you should tell Tartiflette, cuz he'd think it was neat.

Nonetheless, welcome to the forum. You should consider playing StarSector as well. You'll love!
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1729 on: November 03, 2022, 10:01:56 PM »

Most DA ships have one or more crippling weakness, and using build strategies and builds to make the fleet work is quite fun. Although I do have a few suggestions towards balancing some problematic equipment.

Large slots on DA ships are very rare, and the ones that do exist are almost always rear-mounted on long ships with front-facing arcs. This naturally makes Uhlan Siege Laser a far better option on DA ships than other DA large weapons. The Monstro and the Opfer are ok on vanilla ships so I think this is mostly a ship problem. Maybe in the future, some ships could use them better. However, the Hexafire/Twin Hexafire are quite weak. I suggest giving them EMP effects similar to the small variant.

DA-only fleets are quite lacking in kinetic PD. Maybe it could also be added in wanzer/interceptor form.

Officer rosters that lead to success in DA fleets are often mostly or all aggressive and above. However, the beam wanzers are often used as extra PD, and aggressive officers send them out when they shouldn't. There should be a way to configure this specific wanzer's operating range to 1000 or below.

Assume wing control ability should give the active fighter some sort of buff such as a weak dampening field or extra repair speed while active.

Large missiles on the wishlist :)

Medium and large micro missile launchers also on the wishlist. With enough missiles mods, micro missiles can be accurate enough to be more than a distraction. But such options are usually limited to very few ships, most of which have built-in arrays.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1730 on: November 05, 2022, 10:51:06 PM »

"tell me you're a front mission enjoyer without telling me you're front mission enjoyer"
saw your mod while browsing and wondering, "where did i heard that name?" I took a peek and got washed over by nostalgia. Love it

question, is there any way to reduce the knockback effect of excision rifle from virtuous wanzers?
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1731 on: November 11, 2022, 04:39:49 PM »

Hello Tartiflette! I love your mods! Are you still working on Diable Avionics? The update has been stoped since november of the last year.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1732 on: January 28, 2023, 07:37:32 PM »

This is partly a reminder for myself

Vapor
Recson V
Phase Lance
2 cheap finisher missiles

Calm
SRAB
Recson V
2x IBIS
4x diable micromissile
ECCM hullmod for bonus to SRAB and minimissiles

if anyone happens to be looking for decent fits using DA+vanilla, these will work.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1733 on: February 02, 2023, 10:44:28 AM »

Hello there! First of all i want to thank you Tartiflette for making this mod, i can't imagine playing SS without it anymore! Sleek, easily readable designs, and interesting gameplay, you did really great job making it. And if you allow me, i wanted to leave a feedback. I have a couple of questions about ships:

Draft - they are constantly dying, and it becomes annoying really quickly, layout is great, firepower is really decent (officered one can wipe the floor with destroyers and light cruisers even) but survivability is an issue. Rugged construction hullmod is just mandatory, and direct buffs to HP and armour would be really nice in my oppinion.

Versant - low PPT and "Cramped" hullmod kinda ruins the ship. And it's niche is kinda uncertain. If you want frigate to capture points - there is Vapor. Pay 3 more DP, and you will get Hayle, which is fast and decently armed DD.

Rime(base)- love this ships and their role, but they feels kinda lacking (yeah i know that basic one is "outdated", but it can't be more outdated than low-tech, it's kinda unfair then). If this system was somehow usefull on Sleet, (which is small and nimble) on cruiser-size hull it's just useless. The ship is slow, it can't just run away and return with charges available, and all of this while AI just wasting all charges instantly when reaching the enemy. I would like to suggest improving system by speeding up the charging time and duration both by a factor of two, and also increasing the ammount of OP by 15. Rime has a large number of problems and unfortunately with the current number it cannot completely solve at least one, so this addition would greatly benefit it, and make it more "whole" and interesting to use. Unfortunately in current state it's just looks like an oversized light carrier, and it feels like a wasted potential.

Rime(F) - same as above. The game considers it to be a civilian vessel, despite the fact that it is an armed freighter like Mule, or Gemini, and i would love to see this issue fixed. The ship could create competition to aforementioned armed freighters, and it would be really cool to see it in that role.

Storm - with 23 DP it is kinda expensive, and it feels a bit underperforming. Maybe changes in firing arcs of it's back turrets allowing to fire all four of them in the same direction will improve it's perfomance? At least it would justify it's DP, and not making it more annoying to fight against.

And about Virtuous. Is there no other way to obtain it rather than breaking the face of "The Last Line"?
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1734 on: February 02, 2023, 12:18:12 PM »

Draft is ok so long as it never gets hit from the side

I've tried a lot of range mods, high range weapons, missileboating etc. to make it work at long range so things stay in front of it, and the simple fact is that it just won't. You'll always get more mileage and better returns from a ship that has shields.
The problem is that missiles and fighters are too commonplace, and in any fight beyond maybe 5 ships it is inevitable that something will take a shot at the side of the draft while it's engaging something else and it just doesn't take much to kill it this way.

It's a neat concept but without being able to block some side hits and kill fighters/missiles better it simply can't cut it, not even for its low deployment cost.

If I were to try improving the design, I would add smaller, thinner, and weaker side armor blocks that work like the front armor block, and buff the Drafts' point defense capability probably with a built-in IBIS with a 240 degree arc facing the rear. This shores up its biggest problems by providing a little better PD for killing missiles and fighters, and provides some side armor so those stray hits don't blap it instantly.
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Re: [0.95.1a] Diable Avionics 2.64rc1 (2021/12/11)
« Reply #1735 on: February 02, 2023, 04:41:59 PM »

Draft is ok so long as it never gets hit from the side

I've tried a lot of range mods, high range weapons, missileboating etc. to make it work at long range so things stay in front of it, and the simple fact is that it just won't. You'll always get more mileage and better returns from a ship that has shields.
The problem is that missiles and fighters are too commonplace, and in any fight beyond maybe 5 ships it is inevitable that something will take a shot at the side of the draft while it's engaging something else and it just doesn't take much to kill it this way.

Sides are weak, fighters and missiles are always here, that's all true. The best way of using them i come up with is massive fighters cover up. Then suddenly they become fragile but nonetheless scary fighter supports. And builds with emphasis on PD with 2 Magics and 2 Burchels makes them somewhat resistant against missiles. Buuuuuuuut... they still keep dying, mainly because of ship explosions. Sadly, but not even long range specs can save them from poping. Basically everything you said above.

It's a neat concept but without being able to block some side hits and kill fighters/missiles better it simply can't cut it, not even for its low deployment cost.

If I were to try improving the design, I would add smaller, thinner, and weaker side armor blocks that work like the front armor block, and buff the Drafts' point defense capability probably with a built-in IBIS with a 240 degree arc facing the rear. This shores up its biggest problems by providing a little better PD for killing missiles and fighters, and provides some side armor so those stray hits don't blap it instantly.

I thought about sideplates as well. First solution i see is just to extend armor to cover up at least half or 1\3 of the naked sides. Second, is to add 2 rather weak side plates that disappear after being destroyed so as not to obstruct the line of fire, and can grow back after a long period of time. But both of them requires some work, and i really doubt someone will waste time on cheap and expendable support frigate. While slaping already existing hullmod, and tune HP and armor values doesn't require any efforts.
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