Starsector 0.97a is out! (02/02/24); New blog post: Save/Load UI, Autosave, Intel Map Markers, and More (04/10/24)
No one ever called Paragon overpowered outside of new players seeing it in action for the first time against Pirates, and that's too because of lack of DPS. "Only" four large energy mounts for 60 DP is a raw deal, and its ship system is only good for being a "fleet anchor", which as far as I can tell is a role completely made-up by the players that has no basis in reality.
Quotend I feel like a Conquest that can do it is mostly cause of s-mods and officers. Which is the whole game... S-mods and officers improving ships so they are no longer garbage
But you don't feel like this for the Onslaught?
sry for long answer.SpoilerOh, I do feel like this for the Onslaught. It definitely can't achieve that much without an officer, s-mods maybe too, eh whatever... But that statement was about the whole ship design in the game. Of them feeling less like complete experiences and more like incompetent designs to be improved by player interference. Which is why they struggle so much when in the hands of NPCs. Cause it's difficult for a dev and the system they set out to make a fleet of competent ships using pre-packaged randomised assets, considering everything in this game is often so *** specialist that adaptability simply does not exist.
Well, except when it does. For the Onslaught, Radiant and some other guys... Cause their roles are just "be a pineapple or whatever"... Whereas Vigilance, Conquest, Sunder, Shrike, Odyssey perform very specific roles on the battlefield that the player needs to understand and apply. Onslaught is just a pair of big guns with huge armour. What is Onslaught's role? Go in and kill as many things as you can. What is Conquest's role? Don't go in and don't die, roam about and pick your fights. Do you expect an NPC to be able to figure that out? Well, you can. But what the *** is supposed to happen when there is a Persean League with 3 Conquests? Are they all supposed to just roam about and hunt for targets? Then who the *** takes the frontline?
But then technically even rebalancing those stats wouldn't fix this issue. Wouldn't it? Cause you would retain these roles, and as they would be enforced on ships, they wouldn't be able to adapt and create competent fleets, instead being just a bunch of specialists that die one by one, because they don't know how to fulfil their role, like an orchestra filled with people who can only play trumpets (I mean, I guess that could sound cool). So, what the *** is the solution to this? Make specialists less specialist? But wouldn't that ruin the game? Or would it improve it, cause more ships would become viable and fun to play?
Like, okay... To keep rambling. Have you ever played Team Fortress 2? It's like a multiplayer game about teams trying to take control points, flags and shooting each other with rockets, guns, you know it, I'm sure. In that game there were like 4 core classes. Demoman, Soldier, Scout and Medic. And everyone else is just kinda "oh, I support the team". There were these so called generalists, and so called specialists... And generalists were like the Onslaught and Radiant. They were good at everything. They had no particular role, they were just generally strong. And specialists did something kinda better than everyone else, but then were kind of a failure. The difference was that these were played by people, so they weren't stupid enough to run forward as a glass cannon and die to a frontline class. Which is kinda what happens in Starsector. So, yeah... This is why balancing in that game was better than here. But we don't have that luxury. If we had, then maybe it would work. But because we don't... Maybe we should design specialists in such a way that they are no longer specialists, but simply unique takes on various concepts. Varied and complex enough that they don't get repetitive, but capable of performing well in a vast array of situations, rather than semi-particular ones we may be able to construct for them. Kinda like a fighting game, I guess...
But whatever... I guess, this doesn't answer your question. Uhhhhhhh, this is kinda convoluted and hard to explain, but I'm really trying, it's just... EEEEEEEEEEEEH... So impossible. Like... You haven't seen it. Just don't worry about it.[close]
nd I feel like a Conquest that can do it is mostly cause of s-mods and officers. Which is the whole game... S-mods and officers improving ships so they are no longer garbage
Interesting and well done!In fact, not shure it does do that much, with two plasmas you can shut down hostiles much faster, but it helps a lot against Radiants.
I'll certainly never say the reality disruptor is weak after watching this, that's for sure! That single weapon was worth as much as an entire extra paragon!
You seem to be operating under an assumption that since you figured out the best possible fleet composition/build in the game(which I believe to be true) everyone should logically follow suit and use it
[To quote myself, referring to your strategy: "FYI, I have never seen anyone else's fleet do it. Even when Draba posts his own minmaxed comps which take 5 Ordo at a time this doesn't happen”
Yes, achieving a local numerical superiority by using burst weapons in the initial stages of the fight is optimal and most effective, but very few fleets could do it in 0.96 and even less can in 0.97(against double+ Ordo)
Therefore, by extension, trying to balance ships around something that can only happen in extremely narrow set of circumstances is not a good idea
You seem to be operating under an assumption that since you figured out the best possible fleet composition/build in the game(which I believe to be true) everyone should logically follow suit and use it
You mention low hit-strength. Remnants armour tends to be kinda bad. With the exception of Radiant, which forms a minority of Remnant fleets DP strength
Yeah, scrapping ships, getting the supplies/fuel from that, and then being able to recover them later feels like a bit much.
