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There's just the academy storyline for now. Hypershunts you just find in the wild, the omega bounty you get from any high or very high importance contact.
Now we have 55/45 percent distribution. Then it will be 25/75, i guess. May be 20/80. It is still big part of comunity.Note that only a tiny fraction of players use the forums, and a small fraction of those who do voted in the poll.
People who feel they have been personally wronged by the skill changes are also much more likely to click on a thread like this.
Probably better not to read too much into it, beyond being a source of discussion.
Re-read Alex's second post in this thread. There's no bug here, just mechanics that aren't working the way you expect them to, and a display value that's mathematically 'correct' but - as you note - somewhat misleading.
Sensor Profile has never been a meaningful number on its own; it's Sensor Profile + other fleet's Sensor Strength that actually matters.
It doesn't matter if it never was.
Sustained burn doesn't say anything about affecting the enemy sensor strength nor does going dark. Yet they both do.
The problem here is that any random fleet goes to 1/4th of its normal circle using going dark. Phase fleets however are only put to 50%. This leads to normal fleets getting way too close to a phase fleet in effectiveness based solely on how the formula works.
We can drive this further by doing some math - if someone wants to. I made this post after trying out a couple of modulations and see the gameplay effect and phase fleet has an advantage, but it is so miniscule that you might argue it isn't buggy, but it certainly isn't nearly as functional as it should be either.
Are you taking transponder +1000 into consideration? It is otherwise not possible to cut 75% of detection range by going dark.
The tooltip for Sustained Burn e.g. states:
Also increases the range at which the fleet can be detected by 100%.
I feel like that's a pretty good indicator that it applies to the combined detection range, not just your portion of it. Perhaps it could be made even more explicit somehow.So effectively the problem is that going dark puts a normal fleet at 1/4th of its normal circle, while a phase fleet is only put to half. In gameplay that means that I can achieve the desired effect (being hard to spot) almost as good as a full phase fleet with any non-ox fleet.
Not sure why it'd be 1/4th? But as far as the final point, yeah, well... reducing the range at which you're detected by 300+ - how much this matters really depends on what the sensor strength of the specific enemy fleet is. It could matter a lot, or a little. Though yeah in the case where you'd probably want it to matter - vs a strong-sensor fleet - it'd matter less.That has nothing to do with phase fleet bonus being weak, but going dark and sustained burn both affecting sensor strength of the enemy and your own sensor profile having so little impact on the circle to begin with.
Like I said, I've already got a note to look at making the phase fleet bonus multiplicative, like the abilities. However, while this is a good discussion to have - it's really not one for this subforum. I'd really appreciate it if you could be more mindful of the rules here; it's important to keep the bug reports forum free of anything that's not very clearly about bugs, not even "a bug and some related discussion". Going to merge this thread with the other one since it's, well, the same discussion.
Re-read Alex's second post in this thread. There's no bug here, just mechanics that aren't working the way you expect them to, and a display value that's mathematically 'correct' but - as you note - somewhat misleading.
Sensor Profile has never been a meaningful number on its own; it's Sensor Profile + other fleet's Sensor Strength that actually matters.
Right, I've read and understand what you're saying. I appreciate that you're trying to help here and want to make sure that what you think is a bug gets seen and looked at!
But! It's not a bug (minus, well, the display issue when it's negative, as I said), and as I explained, there are mechanics involved here that I don't think you're aware of. I also mentioned that the effect of phase ships should probably work differently for both more intuitive and "better" results. Please read mine and Wyvern's explanations in that thread; that should cover the mechanics. And please don't put the same thing in this subforum repeatedly.
Hi - if you look at the sensor profile tooltip, it should show you all the contributing factors. I'm fairly sure it's all working; one thing in particular to note is that fleets have a base 300 sensor profile, which can be reduced, but it needs a lot of phase ships to get it to zero.
Just drive such a fury yourself it just is absurd how much they tank for 15 dp. I mean that shield is at 0.4 and that doesn't even factor in solar shieldingThis is mine for AI, but consider that heavy burst PD under observation (which I keep forget to observe)I actually had my Furies tank Radiants for way longer than a cruiser should be able to. I saw random Furies in front of Radiants and they weren't dying. I should pay attention to them sometimes, because flying around in a Hyperion doesn't really let me know how my ships are doing.
Flux is my main concern though. I don't want him to do anything crazy. I want him to go and tank something like a radiant for a very long time and in case he finds something weaker the weaponry is enough to win anyhow.
Shield values are way too good these days anyhow
Too much PD for a ship that has 360 shield with shield conversion mod.heh[close]
About Medusa: I eventually dropped railguns from my loadout in favour of dual autocannons, simply because Medusa isn't going to be fighting at range anyway, and ended with seemingly pretty decent loadout. By that I mean it didn't die too much against Remnants. Though, of course, it could not compete with Fury.Spoiler[close]
