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Title: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: James Sullivan on May 21, 2011, 12:10:30 PM
So hi, I'm new around here and from a link from an RPS comment.

I really like the look of this game, watched a few videos and it looks appropriately explodey and rather interesting.

Just wondering about taking the jump and actually buying it, what are the chances of it getting to steam? Would people that purchased it during alpha get to add it to steam or something?

I'm quite possibly going to buy it here then purchase it again if it gets released on steam, I just really like the ship designs.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Alex on May 21, 2011, 12:29:53 PM
Hi there, thanks for dropping by!

It's a little early to try to get it on Steam, but we'll absolutely try to do that once it's feature complete. If we do get on Steam, we'll try to make it so that people that bought the game directly from us can add it to their Steam games. I'm told that's possible.

I can't actually promise anything, though - too many factors outside our control here.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: James Sullivan on May 21, 2011, 01:27:52 PM
Yeah I guess it is very early but I think I would like to support development at this point in development!

I'm feeling rather impulsive as of late and It's going to be exciting playing all the new builds! From the looks of it there have been quite a few revisions to the UI but overall I really like the style of it.

I'm looking forward to when refitting ships and campaigns are added as well!
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Alex on May 21, 2011, 01:45:28 PM
Thanks, I appreciate your support! Hope you enjoy the game :)
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: James Sullivan on May 21, 2011, 02:13:56 PM
Yeah you're most welcome! I'll try get some friends interested but not many of my friends are as hugely enthusiastic as I am about space combat and science fiction! (I'm still waiting for Homeworld 3 to be announced..)

Obviously this has probably been mentioned earlier but so far I'm finding it really tough. The first mission is doable but it gets all pear shaped after that. But I guess if all the missions were easy we'd complete them and wouldn't be playing the alpha as much right?  ;)
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Alex on May 21, 2011, 02:25:56 PM
Obviously this has probably been mentioned earlier but so far I'm finding it really tough. The first mission is doable but it gets all pear shaped after that. But I guess if all the missions were easy we'd complete them and wouldn't be playing the alpha as much right?  ;)

That's part of it, yeah :) The other part is Hornet's Nest really didn't come out "medium". "Sinking the Bis'mar" is actually easier despite being labeled hard, since it's a straight piloting skill test, without much in the way of tactics to worry about.

There's also the manual (http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=82.0) - just put a link to it up in a new sticky topic in this section. Really should have done earlier.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: James Sullivan on May 21, 2011, 02:43:35 PM
Wow, the manual is quite handy. I'm definitely going to go back to some of the missions with a new perspective. I think one of my main issues is not really fully understanding the roles of all the ships and which enemy targets I should try to engage first. Bumping into the enemy carrier and getting swarmed by bombers doesn't seem like a great idea! I should probably stay away from the impossible mission for now..

I'm definitely getting the mechwarrior influence as well from the flux "overheating" and weapon groups and such.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Darrow on May 22, 2011, 01:48:44 PM
I heard Steam turned SPAZ down because theres too many "indie space games available"

hopefully youll get to steam though!
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Alex on May 22, 2011, 09:46:59 PM
Ah, I suppose we'll have to hope for the best and try to make it so good they can't say no ;)
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: mecharm on May 23, 2011, 04:25:56 AM
...and/or we'll go there to bring Steam down.

(and we could also link it with the annual Starfarer larp. Details: TBA)
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: James Sullivan on May 23, 2011, 05:05:09 AM
Well steam isn't the only way to do things. It's just so damn convenient and I'm really OCD when organising my games.

Oh and I've managed to complete 3 missions now! The Hornets nest still slaughters me but it's great fun. I love the feel of the slower projectiles like Torpedoes and missiles, they animate well and require a good bit of skill to use.

I'm really excited for the future of this game and all the possibilities!

Edit: I've managed to beat Hornets nest! That felt so good! I sent a heroic Frigate and one squadron of fighters to the right most sensor thingy while everything else went else where and the frigate survived the battle even against some many ships! I kept checking the video feed and the lucky bugger was dodging a lot of fire while the fighters took out the enemy frigates, it was pretty crazy.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Alex on May 23, 2011, 02:27:26 PM
Edit: I've managed to beat Hornets nest! That felt so good! I sent a heroic Frigate and one squadron of fighters to the right most sensor thingy while everything else went else where and the frigate survived the battle even against some many ships! I kept checking the video feed and the lucky bugger was dodging a lot of fire while the fighters took out the enemy frigates, it was pretty crazy.

Congratulations! :) Yeah, those Tempest-class frigates can stay alive and skirmish for a long time - they're fast enough to get out of almost every bad spot they get into.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: James Sullivan on May 23, 2011, 04:08:40 PM
Heh, looks like I'll be mass producing Tempests in the campaign. It may not be the wisest decision but it'd be a beautiful sight.

Oh that reminds me, any chance of a skirmish mode down the line? just a custom battle mode to decide on points values for the battle and such, I'd really love that.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: SeaBee on May 24, 2011, 12:10:15 AM
Tempests are awesome.

I was sad to hear that SPAZ got turned down for Steam. Valve really said they had too many indie space games? That's ridiculous. There's no such thing! SPAZ is a lot of fun, kind of like Star Control. Just a bit too grindy for me sometimes, but definitely good entertainment. Better than many of the AAA titles on Steam right now ...

I'd like Starfarer to end up on Steam, too. I'd be tempted to buy it again just to have it there (with silly achievements!), assuming I can scrape together the monies for another copy. Valve seems kind of random when it comes to accepting games, but I guess they have a system.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: FakeNicker on June 03, 2011, 10:43:29 AM
Actually i think what happened is this =
"Beta has arrived:                         
Hi everyone, we are pleased to announce that you can finally pre-purchase SPAZ and get access to the Beta. Impulse is currently exclusively hosting the Beta, and soon we will also be distributing on GamersGate, BMT Micro and other digital distribution platforms"

And also hi BTW  :) im thinking about buying Starfarer. Not to bash on Spaz, because its in another ball area, but when my rage has whashed away after going arcade on everyones asses and their mom i whish it was abit more tactical and slow. So i hear this is what im seeking when im done holding mousebuttons down constantly?
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Dragon239 on June 03, 2011, 12:32:59 PM
Yep.
This game is far more tactical than SPAZ. It's all focused on combat the moment, but it's not nearly as repetitive/grindy-feeling as SPAZ is.
A lot of the missions are quite hard as well <_<
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Muffalopadus on January 04, 2012, 12:16:56 PM
I 100% SUPPORT THIS!

I really love to support indie developers, but if a game isn't on Steam it really makes me hesitate to buy it.  There's something nice about having all your games in one spot, where a lot of your online friends can see.

I totally understand how it's not a guaranteed thing though.  I'm going to give you my money right now anyway.  If I have to and if the game is good enough, I'll just re-buy it on Steam. =P

Edit: Oh, and if you do end up releasing on Steam, make a promo TF2 hat.  That'll get you at least another 10k sales, for sure.
Edit2: And if you make a TF2 promo hat, give vintage qualities for alpha adopters. =)
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Alex on January 04, 2012, 12:49:09 PM
Thank you! Yeah, no question that Steam is great. DRM done right and all that.

And re: hats... I love hats. It's like the funniest word, ever. So on that strength of that alone, that's a suggestion worth considering :)
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Thana on January 04, 2012, 01:26:15 PM
Wow, the manual is quite handy. I'm definitely going to go back to some of the missions with a new perspective. I think one of my main issues is not really fully understanding the roles of all the ships and which enemy targets I should try to engage first. Bumping into the enemy carrier and getting swarmed by bombers doesn't seem like a great idea! I should probably stay away from the impossible mission for now..

I'm definitely getting the mechwarrior influence as well from the flux "overheating" and weapon groups and such.

Yeah, I also remember having had trouble with all missions except the first until I read the manual, which gave me much more info and handy tips to improve my gameplay skills. Nowadays I've beaten all but one (Dire Straits) of the single missions.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Apophis on January 05, 2012, 03:21:35 AM
Thank you! Yeah, no question that Steam is great. DRM done right and all that.

Have you considered gamestop (formerly impulse) for the people who hate steam?
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Arrakisdef on January 05, 2012, 08:39:42 AM
Ok, I like were the game is heading (and I've pre-ordered), but I had to just register to at least say that your forum posters here have no idea what they are talking about.  I've had SPAZ on steam forever.  It was even one of the Christmas achievements. 
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Alex on January 05, 2012, 09:42:43 AM
Ok, I like were the game is heading (and I've pre-ordered), but I had to just register to at least say that your forum posters here have no idea what they are talking about.  I've had SPAZ on steam forever.  It was even one of the Christmas achievements. 

To be fair, at the time of those posts, SPAZ wasn't on Steam, and there were rumors going around that they had trouble getting in. No idea if those rumors were true, ofc.

Have you considered gamestop (formerly impulse) for the people who hate steam?

It's really a bit early to go all out in distributing the game. I'd like to get it out there to as many people as possible, when it's ready, but what exact shape that takes remains to be seen.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Ravushimo on January 05, 2012, 10:14:19 AM
...your forum posters here have no idea what they are talking about.  I've had SPAZ on steam forever.  It was even one of the Christmas achievements. 
Check date of posts... ;)
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Arrakisdef on January 05, 2012, 11:17:02 AM
...your forum posters here have no idea what they are talking about.  I've had SPAZ on steam forever.  It was even one of the Christmas achievements. 
Check date of posts... ;)

:P  The later ones still talk about it even after it was.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Alchenar on January 05, 2012, 11:23:20 AM
Steam is notoriously fickle about the indy games; their process is extremely opaque and there are a number of titles (eg SPAZ , Star Ruler) where the developers have had to make several attempts to get them onboard.

Often getting yourself onto Gamersgate (hell, they're selling the Alpha of Kenshi) and/or Impulse is enough, some people have gotten by by sending Gabe Newell and Doug Lombardi free copies.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Arrakisdef on January 05, 2012, 12:07:03 PM
Steam is notoriously fickle about the indy games; their process is extremely opaque and there are a number of titles (eg SPAZ , Star Ruler) where the developers have had to make several attempts to get them onboard.

Often getting yourself onto Gamersgate (hell, they're selling the Alpha of Kenshi) and/or Impulse is enough, some people have gotten by by sending Gabe Newell and Doug Lombardi free copies.

The thing with steam is that they have very strict rules on how games are allowed to be placed in it.  They have a lot more security things and other requirements that others, like Impulse, don't have.  But, think about how many more people use steam then those.  I'm sure the game will have to be much closer to a full release state before steam would even consider it.  But, here's hoping that when it is they will put it up.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Flare on January 05, 2012, 01:51:08 PM
The thing with steam is that they have very strict rules on how games are allowed to be placed in it. They have a lot more security things and other requirements that others, like Impulse, don't have.

Sometimes those security things are more of a bane than a help. In any case, I'm not too sure about their security things being all that more impressive than its rivals, I recall a recent hacking into its servers and information stolen.

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But, think about how many more people use steam then those.

I personally think most people tends to buy from the cheapest source rather than through any sort of loyalty to distributors. Especially for a game like Starfarer where there isn't any multiplayer component, there's not much reason for people to look further into it if their friends are playing it.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Muffalopadus on January 05, 2012, 03:23:46 PM
Steam is notoriously fickle about the indy games; their process is extremely opaque and there are a number of titles (eg SPAZ , Star Ruler) where the developers have had to make several attempts to get them onboard.

Yeah, Steam denied an earlier release of SPAZ.  They weren't very helpful with feedback either - they said that its their policy not to discuss why a game was denied.  However, from what the developers said, it was more of a stability thing with the engine.  Something about Directdraw or something technical like that.

Have you considered gamestop (formerly impulse) for the people who hate steam?

Oh you.  Anyway, I'm pretty sure the devs don't want to shoot themselves in the foot by not marketing their game to as many distributors as possible!  Except Origin.  Screw you, EA.

Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: spider wisdom on January 12, 2012, 01:46:32 PM

...I'm pretty sure the devs don't want to shoot themselves in the foot by not marketing their game to as many distributors as possible! 

I understand what you're saying, but it would seem that the DRM-free approach should appeal to all potential customers who want to play the game, considering you aren't required to use any external software. Don't get me wrong, I'm super enthusiastic about my 178 (full-stop what) games on Steam because it's a fantastic service, but I'm generally happier giving indie devs with the no-DRM philosophy and -- say, GOG.com -- my money. I preordered SF because the concept, gameplay and aesthetic are what I've been searching for in a game; no DRM is delicious icing on the cake.

In other words, I've never thought, "That game looks fantastic! Shame it's only on [software], otherwise I'd totally buy and play the crap out of it." I have said this about hardware, though. Damn you Demon's Souls!

I'm not sure when the "all my things in one place" became such a desirable attribute, either. If it's on my computer where I can readily access it, I'm happy.
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: municipalis on January 12, 2012, 06:27:18 PM
Amazingly, I already have Starfarer on Steam!

(http://municipalis.net/images/steam.JPG)
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: krema on February 11, 2012, 09:02:30 AM
Just bought this game. ;D Would Love to see it come to steam, will re-buy for myself and friends if it does! Please if you have any trouble getting on steam or any other service I'd be happy to write to them requesting this game and I know a few of my buddies would too. Thanks for your hard work guys!
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: aerandir on February 12, 2012, 02:05:01 AM

And also hi BTW  :) im thinking about buying Starfarer. Not to bash on Spaz, because its in another ball area, but when my rage has whashed away after going arcade on everyones asses and their mom i whish it was abit more tactical and slow. So i hear this is what im seeking when im done holding mousebuttons down constantly?

yes,

buy it, buy it now
Title: Re: Starfarer and Steam.
Post by: Muffalopadus on February 13, 2012, 08:32:06 PM
Amazingly, I already have Starfarer on Steam!

(http://municipalis.net/images/steam.JPG)

/sigh /facepalm

I am aware of said way to put games on Steam.  Regardless, if any game is to have DRM on it then Steam is my favorite type of DRM. 

As far as having all my games in one place, I am constantly uninstalling and re-installing games as I find I'm not playing them, or if I get a new interest in an old game.  Yes, I can back up games to another hard drive or something...but still. To me, Steam is like that giant shelf of DVD's at that one friends house that you're jealous of.  You could rent the movies for cheaper, and they probably never watched those DVD's more than two times, tops...but its really nice to have them all in one spot, all in a row, all organized.

I am notorious for losing CD keys and CD jewel cases anyway, so its nice to just have it as a digital thing.