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Other => Discussions => Topic started by: sdmike1 on December 11, 2012, 07:15:28 AM
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So does anyone know how to tell a religion teacher (I go to a catholic school please don't start the religion debate...) that your first girlfriend (or would it be boyfriend in this case) was a bisexual boy (girl by birth, i'm not interested in boy's in that way at all *stares at upgradecap's butt...*) named brain?
I'm asking this because we have to wright a reflection on this one document about the church's official position on the subject it is her first year teaching, and i don't want to crush her will to teach (i'm what one would typically refer to as a teacher's pet).
I just need some help :-[
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Easy answer (and since you like me so much.... ::))
1. Tell your teacher(s) and Principal(s) to sod off, and that they are lousy gits.
2. Run away
3. Change school immediately tomorrow
4. ???
5. Profit.
6. Buy a beer using that profit
7. ???
8. Double profit
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advice noted :) , but not taken ;) thanks anyways ;D and dam that was a fast reply :o
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well in most countries it is considered wrong to judge people on these subjects.
your teacher is catholic and indeed she might be against it ,but shouldnt she envy you for standing up for it?
If she is against it and she starts to dislike you or judge you in any way isnt she the one doing the wrong thing?
dont you think a teacher should stand neutral in this situation instead of going with her own personal opinion?
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I watch these forums very closely. Every move you take, noted. We know of every step you'll take here before you even do it. :-X
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*whispers* you're on my hit list upgradecap! >:)
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In that case....
You're already dead then, happyface.
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Wow, you guys can make me laugh at any time :D any if you look at the form and community praise topic, you 2 seem to be the main posting force on the discussions board this morning(where i live, good old Sioux Falls, South Dakota!)
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holy crap! you posted again!
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My ninjas will be there before you know it anytime, anywhere, anyhow. :)
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Regarding the topic, I say tell her, screw the rules! I have green hair!!!!
Kidding, its blonde/brown xD
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HOW DARE YOU MIX BLOND/BROWN HAIR! THAT'S A DISGRACE TO ALL OF US!!!! :P
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HOW DARE YOU MIX BLOND/BROWN HAIR! THAT'S A DISGRACE TO ALL OF US!!!! :P
I r sorry! I was born this way!
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wait, am i going to tell her that i have green hair or that sprog has green hair? also i'm looking for more calm and measured approaches specifically a way to gently break the facts mentioned in the OP to her, (something i forgot to mention in the OP was that we have a section to write about any experiences we have had with homosexuality) also, this is a little bit of a touchy subject because not a lot of people know about Brian, in fact, her mom and dad still call her Kelsey and even most of her close friends don't even know, so basically i want to inform while obscuring the truth... any ideas? thanks in advance
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wait let me get this straight. he is born as a girl or is she born as a boy?
about the teacher again.
It could get cruwel if you would confront her in front of the class ,but if you would do it privatly or in a document,
I dont think she would really mind. the assignment is to tell where you stand in this subject,(right?)
so the teacher would only like you to do so ,orcourse supporting your opinion with life experience and other arguments.
you won't harm her feelings or give her a wrong impression of yourself.
In fact it would only be good since you gave the assignment a thought and are clearly engaged class, which teachers always support.
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he was born a girl and is still phisicaly a girl, and thanks dude :) you all are like father/mother figures for me, when it comes to java and certan life questions :D
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java is a country right?
;D just kidding ,but to be honest i dont know anyting about java still
thanks for the compliment.
your welcome
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Have you talked to Brian about this? Whatever you do, make sure you have his permission to write about him, even if you do obscure the details.
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Have you talked to Brian about this? Whatever you do, make sure you have his permission to write about him, even if you do obscure the details.
You two know eachother in RL or what? Because i fail to see who brain is. ???
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Have you talked to Brian about this? Whatever you do, make sure you have his permission to write about him, even if you do obscure the details.
good point'
edit: brian or brain (misspelled in first reply) is a biological speaking a girl and emotionally (feeling or whatever you english people call it)
a boy. he/she was the girlfriend of our thread owner and (probaply) just a friend now.
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Make sure what you say is relevant, rather than going off on a tangent because of your personal experience.
Stay objective, don't use your own experience as lone justification for your opinion - the teacher will want to see reasoned thought.
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How about a useful reply, hm?
Make *** up. Seriously, make a story up. How would they know it's true? Write some bland tiny romance short and that's it.
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Have you talked to Brian about this? Whatever you do, make sure you have his permission to write about him, even if you do obscure the details.
good point'
edit: brian or brain (misspelled in first reply) is a biological speaking a girl and emotionally (feeling or whatever you english people call it)
a boy. he/she was the girlfriend of our thread owner and (probaply) just a friend now.
the happy face has it basally right, we are just friends and he is now going to collage in another state down south.
Ok, I had no idea this was going to happen but Brian showed up today after school because he is back in town for Christmas break, the world works in strange ways right lol
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How about a useful reply, hm?
Make *** up. Seriously, make a story up. How would they know it's true? Write some bland tiny romance short and that's it.
You would have him lie to a religion teacher? D= *gasp* Can't they, like, send you to hell for that? One o' them mortal sins or whatnot?
But seriously, making *** up sounds like a good idea. Whenever I have to write something about my life or my interests, it's always easier and more convenient to come up with something more interesting than reality. And you don't run into the ethical issues of outing a friend with or without their knowledge/consent. And you don't run the risk of your teacher reacting poorly to your relationship.
Teachers are supposed to be objective and grade objectively, but who among us can claim to be completely objective about everything? Best to play it safe, especially if there's a risk that she is a hardcore homophobe (and since she's a religion teacher at a catholic school, it's quite possible). If you don't know her well enough to know how she would react to transgender/homosexuality stuff, best to either find out fast or just avoid the subject entirely.
This is all assuming you care about your grade above all else.
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How about a useful reply, hm?
Make *** up. Seriously, make a story up. How would they know it's true? Write some bland tiny romance short and that's it.
You would have him lie to a religion teacher? D= *gasp* Can't they, like, send you to hell for that? One o' them mortal sins or whatnot?
But seriously, making *** up sounds like a good idea. Whenever I have to write something about my life or my interests, it's always easier and more convenient to come up with something more interesting than reality. And you don't run into the ethical issues of outing a friend with or without their knowledge/consent. And you don't run the risk of your teacher reacting poorly to your relationship.
Teachers are supposed to be objective and grade objectively, but who among us can claim to be completely objective about everything? Best to play it safe, especially if there's a risk that she is a hardcore homophobe (and since she's a religion teacher at a catholic school, it's quite possible). If you don't know her well enough to know how she would react to transgender/homosexuality stuff, best to either find out fast or just avoid the subject entirely.
This is all assuming you care about your grade above all else.
I am sorry but i completly disagree with you.
Why should you lie about what you believe in? to make things easier for you? is that how you stand in life?
making up a story might sound better than reality but this is about an ethnic subject and so only reality will make for the best story(on this subject).
No man ,not even a writer,can perfectly write about such subjects in fiction ,but even a kid can write about this subject when its part of her/his life.
(with us) religion class is never about making people believe what you believe. Its about making people to give everything a thought and to discuss(this is the right word, right?) subjects which take place in our society, to create understanding among different religions and point of views, buiding bridges so to speak. he has a solid point of view in this subject and why should he change or hide it? wouldnt take make society stop functioning? making progress put on hold? thats not what we want!
to keep moving and improving we need to cummunicate, discuss and respect.
If you are a teacher with a religion and you cant put that aside to help your students, than you better find a new job.
teachers should be neutral, objective. they may have there own opinion and there is nothing wrong with telling the class what you think,
but as a teacher you may never interrupt the students in creating his/her own view or following his/her own religion,
for that will only stop progress and create friction between people.
so stop keeping ingnorance alive by lieing about wo you are and stand up for what you think even if that would mean putting effort into the subject for it will be the only path to understanding others, yourself and society and it will be the only way to true peace and respect.
If your teacher doesn't accept you and your grades will reduce due to this, I have to point you to the people above her (school mayor(?) if neccesary), although i think your teacher is old and wise enough so that this isnt neccesary.
just one more thing.
I am telling all this from my experience in my country (netherlands) i dont know where you live and how religious the people are there.
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So you're saying that a young boy, since i doubt we're talking about a 20year+ person here, should acknowledge homosexual relations at his catholic school, to his teacher, in an assignment? Seriously? He's not a full grown adult that's fully in charge of his life and capable of upholding any and all his likes, dislikes, quirks or political views. He will get bad grades, get pushed aside, even ridiculed, and that will have a LOT more lasting and ongoing effect on his life than any little white lie.
I full stand behind growing as an human being, in whatever ways that may shape you, but if you don't understand that a lot of people are ignorant and hypocritical, and don't take that into account in your dealings society, you will have issues adjusting and growing into a full and healthy lifestyle.
And yes, in an ideal world, people would be as open minded and as understanding as they need to be. But that's not the case in a large proportion of the populace. Were i his teacher, i wouldn't even bat an eyelash and all i'd have to say would be something like "if you're sure that's what makes you happy, then go for it". But that's me.. After that, i'd make sure to keep his secret from any other ignorant people that would be within my control unless he decides otherwise.
In any case, this has gotten really offtrack so i'll stop here as the OP asked me to.
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cosmitz i appreciate you giving this a thought and gave your own opinion on the situation
and so i gave my.
now Mike i think it's your choice to decide what suits you best.
no matter what you do. if you gave it a good thought it will always be the right decision.
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Thanks guys, you are the best ;D i plan on talking to her face to face and trying to explain the situation will be more productive than writing it i feel. :)
oh and just to avoid any confusion, no homo, i'm perfectly straight. :)
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How about a useful reply, hm?
Make *** up. Seriously, make a story up. How would they know it's true? Write some bland tiny romance short and that's it.
You would have him lie to a religion teacher? D= *gasp* Can't they, like, send you to hell for that? One o' them mortal sins or whatnot?
But seriously, making *** up sounds like a good idea. Whenever I have to write something about my life or my interests, it's always easier and more convenient to come up with something more interesting than reality. And you don't run into the ethical issues of outing a friend with or without their knowledge/consent. And you don't run the risk of your teacher reacting poorly to your relationship.
Teachers are supposed to be objective and grade objectively, but who among us can claim to be completely objective about everything? Best to play it safe, especially if there's a risk that she is a hardcore homophobe (and since she's a religion teacher at a catholic school, it's quite possible). If you don't know her well enough to know how she would react to transgender/homosexuality stuff, best to either find out fast or just avoid the subject entirely.
This is all assuming you care about your grade above all else.
I am sorry but i completly disagree with you.
Why should you lie about what you believe in? to make things easier for you? is that how you stand in life?
making up a story might sound better than reality but this is about an ethnic subject and so only reality will make for the best story(on this subject).
No man ,not even a writer,can perfectly write about such subjects in fiction ,but even a kid can write about this subject when its part of her/his life.
(with us) religion class is never about making people believe what you believe. Its about making people to give everything a thought and to discuss(this is the right word, right?) subjects which take place in our society, to create understanding among different religions and point of views, buiding bridges so to speak. he has a solid point of view in this subject and why should he change or hide it? wouldnt take make society stop functioning? making progress put on hold? thats not what we want!
to keep moving and improving we need to cummunicate, discuss and respect.
If you are a teacher with a religion and you cant put that aside to help your students, than you better find a new job.
teachers should be neutral, objective. they may have there own opinion and there is nothing wrong with telling the class what you think,
but as a teacher you may never interrupt the students in creating his/her own view or following his/her own religion,
for that will only stop progress and create friction between people.
so stop keeping ingnorance alive by lieing about wo you are and stand up for what you think even if that would mean putting effort into the subject for it will be the only path to understanding others, yourself and society and it will be the only way to true peace and respect.
If your teacher doesn't accept you and your grades will reduce due to this, I have to point you to the people above her (school mayor(?) if neccesary), although i think your teacher is old and wise enough so that this isnt neccesary.
just one more thing.
I am telling all this from my experience in my country (netherlands) i dont know where you live and how religious the people are there.
I follow my personal principles, but we don't live in an ideal world. It's all well and good to 'fight for what you believe in,' but it's meaningless when that fight has large potential negative consequences and little potential gains, and those potential positive outcomes can be achieved by going about things a different way (talk after class about these things when no one's grades or future are on the line).
Fight for what you believe in, but pick your battles. Sometimes you just need to avoid meaningless battles or you'll waste a ton of time and energy. Do you argue with everyone who's wrong on the internet? Same principle. Except when you're in regular contact with someone, you have other, better opportunities to broaden someone's worldview. It's not about avoiding any and all confrontation, it's about fixing what you can and ignoring what you can't.
Besides, this is all moot if everyone involved in sdmike's story is cool with it.
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I don't know if you personally are actually catholic or not, but it is my belief that Christianity seeks to invite everyone into the brotherhood and love of God. Regardless of the stances that the Catholic Church and even the pope take on certain issues, the Church and the pope are both products of man, and therefore, flawed. Who's to say that they know exactly what the will of God is? To decide that is to make yourself equal to Him. In addition, even if God is constantly inspiring all of the Pope's actions and thoughts, it doesn't mean that the pope is properly interpreting and executing this inspiration. In the end, all you can do is try to be the best person you can be, and I believe that is what Christianity is truly calling us to do. God calls to all of us to treat others in a non-biased way that accepts all groups of people irregardless of race, religious stance, or sexual orientation. To discriminate or segregate someone based on their sexual orientation (or whatever it is you are talking about, no offence, i just don't understand it) is to judge someone based on something they are born with, and is tantamount to racism, which also discriminates based on a genetic trait. Your religion teacher may or may not agree with these views, but if she treats you unfairly because of your views, stances, or any other issue, then she is a poor Christian and a bad person in my eyes. At that point, you are perfectly validated in destroying her with logic and/or raising a hubbub. You are entitled to and responsible for expressing your views, and I hope you choose to do so. So hopefully there are a few arguments you could make wrapped up in there. Good luck and God bless.
*I don't generally bring religion into things so don't hold it against me 'kay? ;D
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Who's to say that they know exactly what the will of God is? To decide that is to make yourself equal to Him.
God calls to all of us to treat others in a non-biased way that accepts all groups of people irregardless of race, religious stance, or sexual orientation.
Pardon me, but are you not doing here what you called impossible a few sentences earlier?
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Basically, "we have a section to write about any experiences we have had with homosexuality" is a pretty big deal; that's about as private as private gets, along with how many bases you've gotten to, if any, with her or any other human being.
I don't think that's anybody's business but yours and your parents, should it come to their attention. It strikes me as pretty weird that a first-year teacher thinks that this is an appropriate assignment and frankly I'll bet her superiors don't know and that your parents wouldn't be happy to hear about it.
I'm with Cosmitz on this; make stuff up.
Your sex life is not their business, unless you voluntarily bring it up in Confession (provided you're Catholic).
So tell them some lame story about a 1-hour summer romance with a cute gal in a truckstop in Idaho (see, pretty easy) who was the first woman to ever ask you for your number because you bought that really silly Cows R Kool t-shirt and your little brother was singing that annoying-but-cute number from (insert Anime here) and you bought him a soda at the trucker's counter, which she thought was really sweet.
In fact, feel free to plagiarize all that and embellish it, and voila, problem's solved ;D
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@naufrago ,cosmitz allready said the same thing
and i am going to answer with the same statement.
I would stand by what i believe in because in my opinion i allready gained something by standing for it,
but its each individual choice to do what they find best. There are not wrong decisions in this matter as long as you stand by the choice you made.
this could be standing for what you believe in or making something up or anything else you can think of.
I agree with you ,that it would be a good option ,but the question was what you would find the best to do ,so... what would you do?
I wouldnt do what you would do and thats okay.
Its a choice i can live with no matter the concequences and you can live with your choice no matter the consequences.
Both of the options are good options because we can live with the outcome.
It is his decision and he should choose one that he can live with.
Ow and just one more thing.
gains and loses are not really solid in this matter. You gave it as a argument for the choice you made (and thats okay).
Important is to remember that gains and loses vary between people,
for me its an important gain to stand for what i believe in and for you its an important gain to not get in trouble at school.
I dont mind a discussion so i see it as a gain even if i lose it, you dont.
This is a different view on life and thats okay, because we are all different.
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if your going to make stuff up, make it fun
There was this girl I met on holiday, and she was amazing, eyes like pearls that glistened like a star, and hair that waved carelessly in the breeze. Her smile was so wonderful that it brought joy to everyone around her...
'Cept she was once a bloke nd stuff, so yeah, that.
XD
(meant no disrespect on that last bit, figured it had to have some sort of fun in it :) )
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guys it is done, i told her in person about an hour ago
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guys it is done, i told her in person about an hour ago
What'd you say and what got said by her?
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Who's to say that they know exactly what the will of God is? To decide that is to make yourself equal to Him.
God calls to all of us to treat others in a non-biased way that accepts all groups of people irregardless of race, religious stance, or sexual orientation.
Pardon me, but are you not doing here what you called impossible a few sentences earlier?
Whoops. Just my personal opinion. Should have prefaced it. ;D
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I am so curious! of course its your own choice whether to say such personal things or not.
glad we could help
edit: if things went right that is...
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Ya, things went fine lol
i only sounded slightly insane :D
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faith in humanity restored ;D
but let me get this straight.
you told the teacher and she was fine with it?
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Ya, things went fine lol
i only sounded slightly insane :D
Welcome to my world of 7% insanity. :)
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Ya, things went fine lol
i only sounded slightly insane :D
Welcome to my world of 7% insanity. :)
2 things, dam you are fast, i looked at TheHappyFace's post went back to the index and saw you posted, and it was more like 10-12% insane :)
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Nah, i made a test on it, and i am just 7% insane. Joy and celebration ;)
And yes i am fast. Damnit, i should get a ninja badge ;)
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(http://i.imgur.com/tbeRy.jpg)
upgradecap got the ninja insanity achievement
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Question is now, do i want to use that one below my usual profile pic or not.
To be, or not to be. ;D
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(http://i.imgur.com/LZ9v3.png) ::)
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(http://i.imgur.com/LZ9v3.png) ::)
THIS!!!
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for me its an important gain to stand for what i believe in and for you its an important gain to not get in trouble at school.
I dont mind a discussion so i see it as a gain even if i lose it, you dont.
Something about this part irks me. It feels like you didn't really get what I was saying about my personal philosophy. I'll clarify a few things and try my best not to come off as argumentative.
For one thing, "not getting in trouble" isn't a gain, it's avoidance of a negative (small but important distinction). Just had to get that out of the way.
Also, I am okay with having a discussion that I lose, but I do my best to ensure that an actual discussion can take place, or at least have a reason for trying to force my opinions on someone (i.e. defending someone). I'm even okay if it ends in a stalemate. But a written paper has to stand on its own merits and can only be judged; no discussion happens. Unless the paper is written to be persuasive, it's unlikely to change anyone's opinion. Besides, the assignment wasn't to write a persuasive piece and would probably be marked down for it.
@naufrago ,cosmitz allready said the same thing
But... he didn't. Our recommendation was the same, but what we said differed significantly enough that it's hardly 'the same thing.'
gains and loses are not really solid in this matter.
You can still determine what the potential gains and losses were and how good or bad they would be. I probably should have emphasized getting more information (which is actually what he did, so good on him) more than emphasized lying about his experiences because the risk assessment gets more accurate the more information you have. It's pretty clear what the possibilities were, we just didn't know their likelihood.
I have a very pragmatic worldview. I minimize potential risk and maximize potential gains (at least, when it's not at the expense of others). For that, information is the most important thing, since it helps in determining what the risks are and their likelihood. If I determine that someone would have a strong, negative reaction to my opinion and they have power over me, I refrain from sharing my opinion until I no longer have to deal with them. If they don't have any power over me, I might broach the subject carefully (or I could be blunt, like now- it depends), but I usually won't make any effort to hide my opinion.
If he had discovered that she's a horrible person and was stuck in her ways, I would have fully recommended he completely fabricate a story for her (since she has power that she could leverage against him). The important distinction in my mind is that he's simply withholding information about his beliefs, not lying about what his beliefs actually are. I wasn't suggesting that he go against his beliefs; there's no cognitive dissonance since his story would still conform to his beliefs, it'd just be completely fabricated. Hell, his story could be entirely true, but simply omit the one fact about her gender.
Just one last thing- I'd like to reiterate that I'm not trying to come off as argumentative, I'm just trying to clarify my philosophy since it seems you didn't really get what I was saying. I'm okay that you prefer to always declare your beliefs and I can mostly respect that. I think always sharing your opinion no matter the consequences is naïve and could cause you problems in the future, but that's your decision. I'm not motivated enough to try and change your beliefs. =p
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I said in the OP that i didn't want this kind of argument to arise form this, please stop :)
I feel like a small child who's mom and dad wont stop fighting lol, i found all opinions in this thread helpful. so please, don't fight
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...? It's not a fight or an argument, it's a calm discussion. I understand it's hard to determine tone through text, but there've been no angry words or name calling. I even made sure to point out twice (once at the beginning and once at the end) that I was deliberately trying not to come off as argumentative.
What do you see as the issue?
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whatisthis
if someone tl;dr's this for me then I'll chip in and provide the ultimate answer
courtesy of mario
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hmm i get what you mean...
first of all. sometimes i might get misunderstood or better said i might say things i didn't actually mean ,because english isnt my native language.
For one thing, "not getting in trouble" isn't a gain, it's avoidance of a negative (small but important distinction). Just had to get that out of the way.
I still see not getting in trouble as a gain although that might just be a different view on the word "gain" which i think is everything except negative (so also neutral).
but this isnt really important. we mean the same only with different words ;D
Also, I am okay with having a discussion that I lose, but I do my best to ensure that an actual discussion can take place, or at least have a reason for trying to force my opinions on someone (i.e. defending someone). I'm even okay if it ends in a stalemate. But a written paper has to stand on its own merits and can only be judged; no discussion happens. Unless the paper is written to be persuasive, it's unlikely to change anyone's opinion. Besides, the assignment wasn't to write a persuasive piece and would probably be marked down for it.
again might not have said this properly. wasn't talking about the assignment but about the discussion which may or may not take part when he tells her in person,
so also misunderstood you for that reason.
But... he didn't. Our recommendation was the same, but what we said differed significantly enough that it's hardly 'the same thing.'
sorry! I allready figured you werent saying the same. It was just too late to change. :-\
Negative part about talking through text.
I have a very pragmatic worldview. I minimize potential risk and maximize potential gains (at least, when it's not at the expense of others). For that, information is the most important thing, since it helps in determining what the risks are and their likelihood. If I determine that someone would have a strong, negative reaction to my opinion and they have power over me, I refrain from sharing my opinion until I no longer have to deal with them. If they don't have any power over me, I might broach the subject carefully (or I could be blunt, like now- it depends), but I usually won't make any effort to hide my opinion.
If he had discovered that she's a horrible person and was stuck in her ways, I would have fully recommended he completely fabricate a story for her (since she has power that she could leverage against him). The important distinction in my mind is that he's simply withholding information about his beliefs, not lying about what his beliefs actually are. I wasn't suggesting that he go against his beliefs; there's no cognitive dissonance since his story would still conform to his beliefs, it'd just be completely fabricated. Hell, his story could be entirely true, but simply omit the one fact about her gender.
I get what you mean and understand your choice.
My worldview is also pragmatic (it sounded a little bit like i wasnt making choices by considering the risks and gains)
,but for me (if i would be making his choice from everything i know now) the risk of the teacher using her power in a way to "harm" me would be less important than the gain of telling her what i think
and therefor (maybe) making some tiny little change in her mind/opinion.
of course as i allready stated in the post before this is something he would have to consider for himself.
he has to decide how heavy every risk and gain is for him. this is also what i mend with that the gains and risks arent solid in this matter.
it is everyone's choice to decide what he/she thinks is more important.
I wasn't suggesting that he go against his beliefs.
different view on the word against again ;)
Just one last thing- I'd like to reiterate that I'm not trying to come off as argumentative, I'm just trying to clarify my philosophy since it seems you didn't really get what I was saying. I'm okay that you prefer to always declare your beliefs and I can mostly respect that. I think always sharing your opinion no matter the consequences is naïve and could cause you problems in the future, but that's your decision. I'm not motivated enough to try and change your beliefs. =p
I like this discussion its pretty friendly just have a hard time with the language.
I didnt really misunderstood you at most points (or i might be misunderstanding you again).
Its just that we have some different ways of talking (typing) making some words have a slightly different meaning.
Ow would you please use a little less complicated words ,please. :)
One more thing, i am not saying i always stand for my beliefs only that i count them in heavier (sometimes too heavy),
but dont worry i am (mostly) not naieve, sorry to cause that image of me. If the situation asks if me to keep my opinion for myself i would do that.
its only htat i didnt found that neccesary in this situation (of course viewing from what information i got).
About the motivation, i believe you allready changed my mind. thats the nice thing about a discussion (which i said wrong in earlier post) you can only win.
for a discussion is mend to learn and you helped me learn by having this discussion. I hope you also learned due to this discussion. :D
I did which you can easily see if you read through my posts here.
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Yup, was a nice little chat. I don't usually get to share my personal philosophy with people since it tends to come off as a bit preachy. Glad we could reach an understanding with each other =)
Also, I realized that english wasn't your native language, but forgot to take that into account when writing, and reading what you were saying. I sometimes forget that nuance is hard to learn if it isn't your primary language. I'll be more sensitive to that in the future.
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I'm glad we had this discussion.
hope to talk to you again.