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Starsector => General Discussion => Topic started by: Aleskander on August 30, 2012, 10:27:03 AM
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IMO, this ship is the most cost-efficient ship in the game
It has excellent PD, with either 2 flak cannons or a burst
It has 2 med and small missiles, which can be filled with several roles each
It is a very tough cruiser with the armor plating mod, around 1400 armor
It has a flight deck
It has a very large cargo capacity, for all the supplies eaten up by repairing fighters
It has a fairly large hanger
Anyone else find this ship to be a staple among their low-tech fleets?
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Yup, next to a capital ship, it's the only other ship that couls stand a chance against my Enforcer. I respect it, and sometimes, it's the flagship of my fleet. :)
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What a coincidence this is. This ship is the next on my Setup Showcase series. Great ship indeed.
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I'd actually say it's borderline OP as it stands in the campaign right now. Cruiser armed with a pack of 2 med missiles, 2 small missiles, 2 med ballistic and a med energy, plus ~1000 armor. It can match a Capital, and with proper player control, kill a capital without too much trouble.
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I'd actually say it's borderline OP as it stands in the campaign right now. Cruiser armed with a pack of 2 med missiles, 2 small missiles, 2 med ballistic and a med energy, plus ~1000 armor. It can match a Capital, and with proper player control, kill a capital without too much trouble.
Well everything is OP in the players hand. Alot of things can beat the Venture. Though it might have to many missile slots. Maybe 4 small instead would be better.
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I think its a really excellent ship! In my experience it will lose a straight up fight against any cruiser (AI on AI) but its so tough that it will take a while doing so. I use it as a carrier for my midline fleet and am very happy.
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What a coincidence this is. This ship is the next on my Setup Showcase series. Great ship indeed.
;D
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What a coincidence this is. This ship is the next on my Setup Showcase series. Great ship indeed.
;D
Now that I have played with it abit, I do notice that there is a very limited amount of things you can do. And its not a good 1v1 ship at all. But it does pretty good with support.
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I'd actually say it's borderline OP as it stands in the campaign right now. Cruiser armed with a pack of 2 med missiles, 2 small missiles, 2 med ballistic and a med energy, plus ~1000 armor. It can match a Capital, and with proper player control, kill a capital without too much trouble.
The Dominator has 9 small ballistics, 3 medium missiles, two large ballistics, and two medium ballistics. It also has burn drive and is easier to move than a Venture.
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It's definitely not OP in a combat situation, but as an all-around fleet support ship maybe
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I'd actually say it's borderline OP as it stands in the campaign right now. Cruiser armed with a pack of 2 med missiles, 2 small missiles, 2 med ballistic and a med energy, plus ~1000 armor. It can match a Capital, and with proper player control, kill a capital without too much trouble.
I wouldn't say it's OP, really. Just a very versatile craft. It can hold its own in combat and can act as a capable carrier, but there are ships that do much better at those things than it. I find it's kind of the "next up" from the Hammerhead in the "Standard Flagship Hierarchy" on a jack of all trades tree.
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I'd Say Gemini > Hammerhead personally, but I prefer running a fighter based game most of the time, so the venture is right in line with that.
Edit: not to say a hammerhead is less powerful than a gemini, but a gemini supporting fighters can certainly outclass a single destroyer, this is assuming that you rush some fighters and a gemini immediately after your first frig I guess...
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well... the comparison would be if a Gemini with fighters can beat a hammerhead with the same fighters
the result would definitely depend on how many fighters there are
not a big fighter fan so I'm all for hammerhead
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The Venture gets even nastier if you give up on the flak screen for hypervelocity drivers or heavy maulers.
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Especially since most medium energy weapons aren't that great(IMO)
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It has the 2nd best cargo to fleet point ratio after the atlas while having a flight deck and serious offensive and defensive power. Its definitely OP.
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Especially since most medium energy weapons aren't that great(IMO)
Well they are actually quite good. Especially the Pulse laser and the phase beam.
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Heavy blaster? It's like hound'be'gone in a can, in a gun.
Actually I thought the ventures travel speed in system was slow, but turns out it's 120. Huh. Actually I've underestimated this ship.
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Especially since most medium energy weapons aren't that great(IMO)
Glad I'm not the only one to think that.
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Especially since most medium energy weapons aren't that great(IMO)
Well they are actually quite good. Especially the Pulse laser and the phase beam.
Not really. Phase beam doesn't do enough damage to be a good weapon by it'self(since beams weapons don't accumulate hard flux). Pulse laser is actually quite suckish, try it out. Only 200 or so DPS and 300 flux/sec
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Especially since most medium energy weapons aren't that great(IMO)
Well they are actually quite good. Especially the Pulse laser and the phase beam.
Not really. Phase beam doesn't do enough damage to be a good weapon by it'self(since beams weapons don't accumulate hard flux). Pulse laser is actually quite suckish, try it out. Only 200 or so DPS and 300 flux/sec
Energy weapons pay a high premium for doing equal damage to both armor and shields, their high-flux bonus, and infinite ammo (with one exception). Energy weapons that deal hard flux rarely get above 1:1 dmg/flux even at max flux. However, I feel this is entirely offset by the powerful defenses of any ship that can use them (aka high-tech ships and the venture). The combination of factors gives high-tech ships unparalleled longevity in battle and are just as effective at 20 minutes into battle as at 20 seconds. There's no need to completely overpower an opponent when you can outlast them.
If medium energy weapons were any better, they'd probably be overpowered.
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I'd take an Odyssey over the Venture any day in a carrier fleet.
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ya, but that thing's kinda... ya know... a capship...
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You can buy what, 5 ventures for the cost of an odessy? I bet they're more effective in battle too, the only reason to use an odessy is for the lower overall FP(Which is more important, don't get me wrong).
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then i would rather get 2-3 condors and fill the rest of the FP up with broadswords, and you would still be below the odyssey in cost and not even the SDF would beat you.
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Bah!
I hate posting in ship threads. Everyone has their own methods of gaining a victory and they always go beet-red and stomp about, shouting to the heavens insisting that theirs is the best whenever anyone else is even inclined towards an alternative strategy. 'Who would dare use that cruiser with those frigates? No they just won't do!' Theres just too many options out there for anyone to agree I guess. Too many incredibly effective fleets and ship load-outs. Too much to learn from arguing with everyone else. Alex is a genius. :P
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Thing is, with ITU and Advanced Optics, Phase Beams have a very good range. AND it deals EMP damage, which kills unprotected engines. On a Wolf, the best starting setup would be swapping those harpons for swarmers and the Grav beam for the Phasebeam (or heavy blaster/mining blaster) and go Hound Hunting.
As for the Venture, I just don't like the looks of it, so I never used it much. Should test it again. Odessey is still preferred over it though, or the Gemini.
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Bah!
I hate posting in ship threads. Everyone has their own methods of gaining a victory and they always go beet-red and stomp about, shouting to the heavens insisting that theirs is the best whenever anyone else is even inclined towards an alternative strategy. 'Who would dare use that cruiser with those frigates? No they just won't do!' Theres just too many options out there for anyone to agree I guess.
This is actually something I really love about this game. In a lot of games there is the strategy to win and get best results/values. This game has enough balance/'perfect imbalance' that we can argue all we want about loadouts, maybe learn something, but still all be right and effective.
Personally I love it with 2x Flak, 1x Heavy blaster, and ITU. And the usual missiles + racks.