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Starsector => General Discussion => Topic started by: jgeezz on November 18, 2021, 06:42:40 PM
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The AI is broken I have posted here so many times I have lost count.
When you are in a battle and you have 2 ships facing off from each other and 1 is fluxed out and 1 hit from dead. What does the AI do back off so the other ship can recover and fly away, Instead moving in for the kill and finishing off the ship.
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When you are in a battle and you have 2 ships facing off from each other and 1 is fluxed out and 1 hit from dead. What does the AI do back off so the other ship can recover and fly away, Instead moving in for the kill and finishing off the ship.
Unless this is a simulation testing weapons layout/hull mods, there are never just 2 ships facing off with each other...
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Dame AI? Did someone mod Starsector into a noir detective game while I wasn't looking? Or perhaps a dating sim?
I can also count that you have made a total of four posts on this topic; you can view your own posts for reference purposes by clicking on "Profile", then "Show Posts".
On a more serious note, I'd suggest missiles, or other long-ranged finisher-type weapons. Tachyon Lance works well, too.
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Chill, the AI here is not to be a problem, but to tie up some enemies while you be the badass and slaughter most of the enemy fleet yourself. Spec your ships for maximum range, put steady or aggressive officers on them, they will busy the enemy fleet, you take all the kills.
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I have posted here so many times I have lost count.
Five. At a guess, the count is five.
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This isn't a human. This is the AI complaining about human players not feeding enough fleets to remnant sectors.
BORED AI COST LIVES.
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I can tell you guys don't really play the game and just look at it.
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Well a word from someone who doesn't really play the game. Use eliminate commands and aggressive officers. And maybe your ship loadouts are too weird so AI doesn't know what to do with it. You won't get any meaningful responses just by saying "AI sucks lol, this one ship didn't kill the other ship I'm sad". Show us something real, or post your fleet with loadouts idk.
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https://drive.google.com/file/d/13DhS4mRW0QSf1QTanSfpSCbjIkShGs-x/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/13DhS4mRW0QSf1QTanSfpSCbjIkShGs-x/view?usp=sharing)
here 5 ships against 2 ships both ships will get away because the ai just sucks.
I do not know what games you guys are playing and it should not matter if they have long range short range burst speed no speed the AI should at least attck.
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sorry 4 on 2 and yes both got away.
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Don't jump down his throat - the AI has issues. As situations grow ever more complex with recent versions, it exposes more problem cases. In the current version, AI phase frigates are practically unusable. They decloak point blank, fire their guns and blow up along with their target. Or decloak on top of a target while it is already exploding. This stuff will be fixed in the next version. But it's not the only problem case that exists.
The AI does back off easy kills. It does point its nose at stuff when it makes no sense, turning left and right and not getting a single hardpoint shot off. It does lower its shields at low flux and takes painful armor hits. It likes to vent flux exactly when the enemy is at its most vulnerable. I'm sure there's more examples.
This is not ragging on the game. We love SS and just want it to be better.
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I have played this game for a while sorry i do not post on this form much i post on Reddit a lot more. Also its been out for a while not like it came out on monday.
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also on the example of 4 on 2. in the end the wolf frIgate got flux out and all 4 back away to let it recover and run away. Also, 2 of the 4 had no flux build-up at all.
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Do not get me wrong i love the game i would have paid 60$ bucks for it on steam if a friend had told me about it the only reason I found was because of youtube. Reminds me of a game on steam i have played through like 10 times because it is a great game and is fun to play which is Infested Planet.
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Don't jump down his throat - the AI has issues.
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This is not ragging on the game. We love SS and just want it to be better.
Bruh read the title and the opening post. Of course the AI has issues, everyone who played the game for more than 5 hours knows that, but people usually post a video or something. They don't just scream into the void, Alex can't fix an issue if he doesn't know what causes it.
Also it's plain wrong that weapon setup makes no difference to AI. Every time there's been a drastic AI post on the forums where the poster said AI is broken, it has always been a case of not knowing how to build ships. Last time I participated in such a thread, OP was saying how his ships won't eliminate the enemies no matter what he does. And whaddya know he posted the builds, and all ships had pretty much only beams. Ship building is hard so there's no surprise there, the game could do a little more to point new players in the right direction with builds, autofit is bleh.
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same old response its a great game come on. This is the major issue that needs to be addressed you just said it in your repley.
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When you attack as a player the AI is really great a focusing on your ship but when re-versed it is like it has no brain.
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When you attack as a player the AI is really great a focusing on your ship but when re-versed it is like it has no brain.
I don't even know what this means.
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I think they are saying that, your allied ai ships never focus on single ships to eliminate them quickly?
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Usually when you get focused as the player, it's because you overextended. The AI doesn't overextend anywhere near as much, which is also coincidentally why it is worse at killing things than you are. If you want the AI to go for every kill, then use reckless aggression level. You will find your ships also die much more often, and that's the price for making the AI commit to kills.
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Do you have a set of ship loadouts that when used in the simulator can reproduce this problem? Do you have a video that shows the problem? Have you posted the loadouts of the ships involved? Problems that can be reproduced are much more fixable than those that cannot be reproduced.
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In regards to the main point: its absolutely true that there are issues with AI aggression and closing in with the kill, and I have seen inconsistent backing off behaviors when close to a kill (I think some were caught and fixed for the next version). They are somewhat rare but can be very frustrating when they pop up.
https://drive.google.com/file/d/13DhS4mRW0QSf1QTanSfpSCbjIkShGs-x/view?usp=sharing (https://drive.google.com/file/d/13DhS4mRW0QSf1QTanSfpSCbjIkShGs-x/view?usp=sharing)
here 5 ships against 2 ships both ships will get away because the ai just sucks.
I do not know what games you guys are playing and it should not matter if they have long range short range burst speed no speed the AI should at least attck.
Could we see your loadouts please?
In this particular case I'm actually not surprised the enemy got away: unless it has SO, the Brawler is too slow to do anything, and a Kite can't kill a Wolf on its own under AI control (it might even be difficult for a player piloting, it only has 1 ballistic weapon). For the Wolf and Lasher vs Mule, Mule's are almost as tough as destroyers and have maneuvering jets to make them speedy in bursts to get out of danger. Wolves also completely lack shield breaking weapons, so unless it and the Lasher make synchronized runs it can't take it down. Also both of those enemy ships have officers while none of yours do, so I'm double not surprised. This just looks like a place where your ships don't have the power/speed to take on the enemy before they retreat.
Ok, that was normal me, moderator me time:
Please be more constructive with your posts - constructive criticisms are welcome (and critical posts that have sufficient details have improved the game greatly), but all caps 'yelling' titles and rudeness are not.
I can tell you guys don't really play the game and just look at it.
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Oh good eye on the officers, I just saw the ships and figured out the situation. At this point loadouts are irrelevant, it's a clear case of a weaker fleet trying to best a tougher one. Which could be winnable with player piloting, in this scenario this is just asking the AI to suicide, or maaaaaaybe win but with heavy losses.
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Brawler and Kite vs Wolf is a bad match-up. Brawler can hardly catch up to it, while Kite would have to purposefully make it skim twice, then dump sabots on it. If it can't do either, it couldn't have hurt Wolf.
Wolf and Lasher vs Mule depends on what armament Mule had. If it had HAC and/or sabots, it could have just fluxed out the frigates every time they tried to close the gap.
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One of the patches turned every ship into a coward. Can't remember which one.
Use reckless/aggressive captains and full assault.
That patch was not an improvement to the game.
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i wonder if there's a mod to increase supply cap in the mix here?
I find it odd how many times I've seen people boost the supply cap with a mod and then complain about the AI.
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One of the patches turned every ship into a coward. Can't remember which one.
Use reckless/aggressive captains and full assault.
That patch was not an improvement to the game.
0.7.2 has some bits of it, but 0.8 was the one that turned the AI full coward, and any tweaks since that tried to correct this have largely failed.
Ship AI from 0.7.1 and earlier was better for fighting against.
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HEY! You watch your mouth! The AI is not a dame!
She is a LADY.
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She's an alcoholic! With her drivers license revoked!
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She doesn't like you. You had better watch yourself. She has the death sentence on twelve systems.....
8) 8)
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Dame A.I. ?
we got wedding mechanics now ?
is it because we had that one guy asking for a dynastic bloodline thingy whatsit ?