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Title: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: Vandala on April 17, 2012, 06:33:38 PM
Got another weird idea.

You know those weird pictures that seem to move as you change your viewing angle of them?

What if we tried that with planets? Those things spin so the angle changes even if you sit still behind your screen.

If only I knew the name for those things, I can't find anything online. Does anyone know what I'm thinking of?
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: K-64 on April 17, 2012, 06:39:21 PM
That'd be interesting to see
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: Vandala on April 17, 2012, 06:41:48 PM
I'll bet it's way beyond my meager skills though, plus I can't find anything on it. Makes me second guess my memory.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: DarkStar076 on April 17, 2012, 07:34:51 PM
You know those weird pictures that seem to move as you change your viewing angle of them?
Sounds like your refering to Lenticular printing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenticular_printing)
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: Vandala on April 17, 2012, 07:38:20 PM
You know those weird pictures that seem to move as you change your viewing angle of them?
Sounds like your refering to Lenticular printing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenticular_printing)


That is something different.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: Vaster on April 17, 2012, 07:41:36 PM
Well.

Good luck with that.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: DarkStar076 on April 17, 2012, 08:29:34 PM
You know those weird pictures that seem to move as you change your viewing angle of them?
Sounds like your refering to Lenticular printing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenticular_printing)


That is something different.

The only other thing i can think of is voxel technology (its a 3D screen without the glasses)
http://www.holografika.com/
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: Vandala on April 18, 2012, 06:07:09 AM
I remember where I got the idea from, it was the Mona Lisa Trick.

It's a special way of using color or brush strokes or something. I hope it's possible to replicate on a computer screen. I though I had seen it somewhere but where?
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: medikohl on April 18, 2012, 05:42:43 PM
(http://media.uniklinik-freiburg.de/aug/homede/mit/bach/mdia/rotsnake2.gif)
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: Vandala on April 18, 2012, 05:51:20 PM
Nice try medikohl, but no, plus it would not work in Starfarer due to that being a gif file. (or better said a moving picture)

EDIT: Wait a sec... It's not a moving picture!! This is probably what I meant.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: silentstormpt on April 18, 2012, 06:07:15 PM
wouldnt work anyway cause the image would need to be like that to create the illusion of movement.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible?
Post by: Vandala on April 18, 2012, 06:11:06 PM
WOW, it actually works! Seriously in-game it works.

It's really hard to notice but it does still work, even when I had to cut the original picture in half and scale it up somewhat but it still has the effect.

Imagine what could be done if you designed a picture like this to work on a round object?!

Thank you so much medikohl, please tell me where you got this from?


(I'm really being serious here, please don't mind the tip text in the picture.)

(http://s17.postimage.org/kitxeugkb/screenshot022.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/kitxeugkb/)
(http://s17.postimage.org/6dt6a5duj/screenshot023.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/6dt6a5duj/)
(http://s14.postimage.org/aaig5wwxp/screenshot024.jpg) (http://postimage.org/image/aaig5wwxp/)
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: Vandala on April 18, 2012, 06:19:32 PM
If you don't believe me, here is the picture I used. Try it yourself.

You may want to edit your planet file to make every type of planet use this picture otherwise your in for a long wait before it shows up.

http://www.sendspace.com/file/revrdq
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: medikohl on April 18, 2012, 07:31:51 PM
it's the rotating snakes optical illusion
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: Emailformygames on April 18, 2012, 09:07:34 PM
For some reason this thread makes me feel like I've bin trolled, I've bin trolled, I've probably bin told.  I should not reply to you because you're just getting a rise.  Out of me, yes it's probably true, when I respond that's your que.  When you start troubble on the double you stroke your stubble.  I've bin trolled, I've bin trolled, and that I should probably just fold.  My only winning move is to not play.  Yet, I want to keep on trying, and mindlessly replying, I've bin trolled!  I hope I have a nice day?
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: medikohl on April 18, 2012, 10:28:59 PM
For some reason this thread makes me feel like I've bin trolled, I've bin trolled, I've probably bin told.  I should not reply to you because you're just getting a rise.  Out of me, yes it's probably true, when I respond that's your que.  When you start troubble on the double you stroke your stubble.  I've bin trolled, I've bin trolled, and that I should probably just fold.  My only winning move is to not play.  Yet, I want to keep on trying, and mindlessly replying, I've bin trolled!  I hope I have a nice day?
*takes out back and executes with a subtle gunshot*
no singing please
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: WarStalkeR on April 18, 2012, 11:09:28 PM
bin = binary? Win!
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: Emailformygames on April 18, 2012, 11:22:35 PM
For some reason this thread makes me feel like I've bin trolled, I've bin trolled, I've probably bin told.  I should not reply to you because you're just getting a rise.  Out of me, yes it's probably true, when I respond that's your que.  When you start troubble on the double you stroke your stubble.  I've bin trolled, I've bin trolled, and that I should probably just fold.  My only winning move is to not play.  Yet, I want to keep on trying, and mindlessly replying, I've bin trolled!  I hope I have a nice day?
*takes out back and executes with a subtle gunshot*
no singing please

I wasn't singing.  You didn't look at the man's screenshots did you?
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: medikohl on April 18, 2012, 11:25:01 PM
oh sorry, my bad....
*shoots Vandala just to be safe*
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: Cfuz on April 19, 2012, 01:09:06 AM
That is really awesome imo.  You could make so the planets seem to have wind currents.  I it impossible to tell if you're flying your fleet around because the screen is always moving.  Even if you have locked on to the planet people who havent seen this thread wont know to look for it.  Genius sir's genius.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: Vandala on April 19, 2012, 07:49:14 AM
*sigh* I'm bin trying with other optical illusions but none of those seem to work, only the snakes have any effect.

If only I knew how these things worked. If only I could build them myself. Oh well.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: Upgradecap on April 19, 2012, 08:29:03 AM
Optical illusions are working by tricking the eye.

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An optical illusion (also called a visual illusion) is characterized by visually perceived images that differ from objective reality. The information gathered by the eye is processed in the brain to give a perception that does not tally with a physical measurement of the stimulus source. There are three main types: literal optical illusions that create images that are different from the objects that make them, physiological ones that are the effects on the eyes and brain of excessive stimulation of a specific type (brightness, colour, size, position, tilt, movement), and cognitive illusions, the result of unconscious inferences.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: Vandala on April 19, 2012, 09:16:27 AM
I know that but I still don't know how to make them. I have no experience with it nor any knowledge on how to go about it. And even then I would have to apply it to a 3D looking object that spins which is again a different approach.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: medikohl on April 19, 2012, 09:37:29 AM
I know that but I still don't know how to make them. I have no experience with it nor any knowledge on how to go about it. And even then I would have to apply it to a 3D looking object that spins which is again a different approach.
the reason it works is due to the color differences. it doesn't really work with different colors
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: rEvolutionTU on April 19, 2012, 03:41:36 PM
I know that but I still don't know how to make them. I have no experience with it nor any knowledge on how to go about it. And even then I would have to apply it to a 3D looking object that spins which is again a different approach.
the reason it works is due to the color differences. it doesn't really work with different colors

It should work with any of the colors that are on the opposite sides in the color wheel:

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/cc/Hsv_color_circle.svg/220px-Hsv_color_circle.svg.png)
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: Vandala on April 19, 2012, 03:50:19 PM
Thank you rEvolutionTU, thats good to know.

And welcome to the forum!

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I'm not continuing with this for the moment, I just don't have the skill for this.
Title: Re: 3D-Planet Trickery: Is it possible? *YES IT IS!!*
Post by: keptin on April 19, 2012, 04:54:51 PM
The problem with the optical illusion is that it looks like an optical illusion, not a planet.  The best result would be to "rotate" planets using animated sprites.