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(http://i.imgur.com/tQRUjvF.gif) (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/Junk_Pirates_353.zip)
Click the picture to download! (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/Junk_Pirates_353.zip) Unzip in to the Mods directory of 0.9.1a, and let me know what you think!
(353 seemingly more stable / better null checking all round)
What is this Mod in a Nutshell?
The Junk Pirates themselves are one of the oldest mods for Starsector (even featured in a Blog Post (http://fractalsoftworks.com/2011/06/17/mod-roundup/) back in 2011!).
Is compatible with Nexerelin. Requires Graphicslib & Lazylib.
Contains many small contributions from the community and a couple of significant ones from others:
MUSIC from Versus The Ghost (https://versustheghost.bandcamp.com/)
SOUNDS by MesoTroniK (all custom weapon sounds)
GIFS:
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(https://media.giphy.com/media/AvqEOtmpGN6wM/giphy.gif) (https://media.giphy.com/media/WkiXxURgMxhDi/giphy.gif)
The Three New Factions
- Junk Pirates - 24+ ships, with original artwork, covering all aspects of the StarSector fleets. Asymmetric and unusual arrangements, but easily underestimated.
- Post Anarchist Canis Kollective (P.A.C.K.) - 14+ individual ships with numerous additional high-end skins, all original artwork. Limited larger ships (two cruisers + one light capital) NOW WITH CARRIERS & 5 unique fighter wings!!!. A bit of a 'challenge' Faction - or one for the destroyer-lovers.
- Associated Starline Parcels (ASP) Syndicate - Mini-faction created as part of a forum initiative some time ago, continue to be maintained as part of this mod. About a dozen original ships total (and a few vanilla skins), the faction mainly adds flavour and not too distinct from vanilla when e.g. played in Nexerelin.
(http://i.imgur.com/yTORbj7.png)
Read on for more fluff (and check out the PACK thread in my signature for even more fluff around the imaginary history of this faction).
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How do I play with these? What can I expect when playing as / against these ships?
JUNK PIRATES
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The main design philosophy when creating the Junk Pirates was/is to create unusual ships, with atypical and asymmetrical loadouts. There is however a 'spine' of more typical ships to make playing as them not completely frustrating, and generally if trying to play successfully as the Junk Pirates you might want to start by basing your fleet around the following:
(https://i.imgur.com/pvHn4pu.png)
The Satsuma is flexible and mobile, and can be a good hunter-killer destroyer. The Boxenstein is very sturdy, with lots of forward-facing weaponry - but suffers in mobility. The Clementine and Mandarine-class frigates are decently survivable, and have enough weaponry to at least stand up to Vanilla.
Don't expect the Sickle and the Hammer to act as generalists; but in either case they do have their niche (Sickle is super fast and can pack a decent punch - save a few to deploy late in a battle for quick support; Hammer carries a medium missile mount so can be very dangerous as a support vessel).
Fighters are an okay option for the JP fleet - with the Orca being a capable carrier and all the fighters being able to hold their own.
(https://i.imgur.com/keEWzzR.png)
PACK
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The design philosophy for PACK has been to create a set of fleet members who, when combined, outweigh the value of the individual players - i.e. the sum is greater than the whole of it's parts.
I think it works, to an extent, and generally mixed fleets are more effective than simpler fleets.
Take for example:
(https://i.imgur.com/hfmZWa4.png)
In this fleet, we decided to take a couple of Schnauzer-class frigates. These operate similar to 'Safety Override' ships (without the CR downsides) and consequently have high mobility and high flux handling. They are, however, paper thin - but the base level of mobility and flux efficiency gives them some level of survivability. Depending on fit-out - they can bring some high-alpha or some generalist support with her all-round energy mounts.
Supplement them with a Pitbull - which has high alpha-damage potential from four small missile mounts, decent resilience from high armour, good pinning potential from the kinetic barrage of her built-in Ripsaw - and the fleet becomes much stronger. The Schnauzer and the Pitbull are somewhat reliant on each other - as the Pitbull can't get close to anything that isn't harassed / distracted - and the Schnauzer can't stand toe-to-toe against many things without high levels of personal danger.
This fleet also has a BRT (an Escort Destroyer with good point defense capabilities), which can be a good defensive choice - to give respite to the Pitbull and hopefully field against smaller / more mobile threats.
The Labrador is included to handle some logistics for the fleet, but also has a FELIX drone to provide on-field interference; minor support; and can operate fairly safely in a retreat condition with her burn drive.
Also note that each one of these craft will perform poorly on their own, and it can be difficult to field a very small PACK fleet that maintains a decent level of combat effectiveness.
OR if we are feeling like we should go all customized:
(https://i.imgur.com/aYAZXCO.png)
We are immediately stronger due to the PACK Custom-shops having wide-ranging nett positive benefits (so comparable base ship vs. any of the Canebianco / Caomarelo / Rothund will always be worse; in differing amounts and against different comparable strengths).
The Bedlington (CB), a high-tech modified version of the standard, has a much improved shield (although now locked to front, it covers about 300°). This also has an Ion-drone following it around (as a built-in wing), basically a free ion cannon. It's a great disruptive force - and can be built around the front-locked medium energy for support or alpha-strike hit and run. It's super-quick, and with an efficient shield it can survive some abuse. It's even lighter than the Schnauzer, and will almost entirely buckle under the weight of just a single stray Harpoon MRM.
So we've taken a Komondor (RH), a heavily armoured version of the standard Komondor. The Komondor has lots of forward facing universal mounts, and an Accelerated Ammo Feeder, which forces some real decisions to be made in how it is kitted out - but it can be a pretty decent generalist combatant and can use the distraction of the Bedlington to close in on individual ships to finish them off with perhaps high-alpha missiles or a collection of front facing ballistics pushing out ordnance on overdrive.
The Ridgeback-X (RH) and the Caomarelo Samoyed are included primarily as logistic support, but (as per the Labrador) there is a pair of FELIX drones on board the Ridgeback to provide interference; and a decent enough weapons package to contribute generally - perhaps safer operating in a close support role. The Samoyed is quick enough to avoid a lot of trouble (including an on-board burn drive), but a missile-centric loadout skews this particular model in to a more specialist combat role, and may not be deployed most of the time.
Again, particularly with the 'Logistics' ships - these will struggle on their own - but work okay as a team.
ASP
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Any criticism, constructive or just plain rude, is more than welcome in this thread. Go for it, but hope you have fun.
current version 3.53 - Pack MESH, Intel, Junk Explorers & Cyborg Queens from 3.52 plus more null checking ...
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Nice! Second mission seems way difficult, but I have to admit I'm sleepy and didn't try very hard.
I'd love to see a mission or two that lets you control the pirate ships. It would be awesome to have a first-hand look at all your ships - fighting against them makes me want to pilot them all the more.
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The second mission is too difficult I think.
It's supposed to be suggestive of Hegemony arrogance, and therefore hard, but I'm not sure if the Hegemony fleet even carries enough firepower to down all the fighters, never mind the new destroyer. Those MIRVs are deadly against the Hegemony ships, as well.
And I forgot to turn Spikes in to FIGHTERS. I'll probably drop their deceleration and lower the armor rating slightly as well. Maybe delete a Dugong, see how that plays out.
And I will definitely get a Pirate mission in soon.
Maybe do the one where they captured the Onslaught in the first place.
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Bumpity bump ... Play as the pirates, capture the onslaught! More tweaks, three missions now billed as 'medium'.
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sweet - I'll try them out in a bit.
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ok, I had some really weird issues on the onslaught capturing one...
1) your asteroid field was kinda funkily going right off the map (dimensions are wrong)
2) I suddenly /switched to commanding the enemy forces/ in the middle of the battle O_O (I think its an error in that you set it so that the onslaught was set to be commanded by the player (the last argument should be set to false, not true)
yep - here it is: api.addToFleet(FleetSide.ENEMY, "onslaught_Standard", FleetMemberType.SHIP, "HSS Achilles", true);
that should be changed to false.
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Thanks Avan. I Appreciate it.
I didn't notice this in my limited playtesting.
(e: oh by the way, file is updated with changes)
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Had a chance to play around with this as part of testing the 0.34a release candidates.
Some feedback:
- The Dugong is a really fun ship. I love its broadside, just sends so much ordnance flying. Really a fan of asymmetrical designs, they add some twists to the gameplay.
- The last mission's name doesn't quite fit in the allotted space
- The last mission, the enemy is set to "ESCAPE" - which is cool, because the AI finally knows about that. But, due to a quirk, military ships will try to retreat a bit too early if there are no civilian ships around. If you add a "tarsus_Standard" or some such to the fleet, it'll behave more intelligently.
- I'd put the download link and instructions near the top of the OP. The post is long enough so that the download link is below the bottom of the screen when you first click on it.
Great stuff overall, really enjoyed it. Well, the last mission - didn't have a chance to play the first two beyond the first time I'd tried 'em :)
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Oh, minor bit of feedback from me: the dugong would really be classed as a cruiser, not a destroyer, based on its size ;)
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Very interesting and fun mod. Only one question: are the ships in the third mission supposed to fight the player or to run away? They are running away currently.
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Very interesting and fun mod. Only one question: are the ships in the third mission supposed to fight the player or to run away? They are running away currently.
I was wondering about that, I thought that maybe my brilliant strategy scared'em off. Oh well :P
I thought the missions were quite fun and I enjoyed fighting against the new ships. They look quite nice. The lot of you have put together some fun mods, this bodes well for Starfarer's future!
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Thanks for all the feedback, chaps, I appreciate it. :)
On the 'escape' mechanic, I think I need to add a civilian ship to make them behave less wimpy.
Whilst I did test that level a few times, I didn't notice it as I was only really thinking about getting to, and stopping the Onslaught. I'm not a very good tester, clearly.
And I'll see if I can spend some time tweaking it soon, polishing some of the ships, graphics and adding the boxer destroyer to a fourth mission.
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Bumping as I have tweaked based on feedback, and added a new mission - 'Walk in the park'
Location: Breh'inni 3
Date: 207.10.13
Our simple transfer of our new gunboats has apparently hit a little bit of a snag. We've just left Breh'inni 2, on our way back to the King and a small and previously undetected Tri-Tachyon detachment seems to be nosing about.
It's clear that they've detected us. It's clear that can't happen.
Ready the munitions and silence them, but protect our new destroyers at all costs.
DEPLOYMENT:
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/images/boxers.jpg)
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I like'em. They feel decently agile but packed a pretty good punch. I like having a blend of long/short range weapons too.
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It's barely worth a bump, but the mod has been updated to now have a couple of extra weapons.
SCATTER PD LASER - Modified PD laser. Fires an innaccurate burst of short range bolts of energy. Providing point defense on the Sickles and the Boxer. Can be useful as for close quarters fighting, if you can get close enough.
CUTLASS - Two modified tactical lasers bolted together and souped up to fire bolts of energy. Fires in bursts of 4, can be powerful but can also eat through the flux. Careful using it on a small ship with the shields up. Currently on the Sickle (Assault), also provided for the Hammerhead flagship on the first Hegemony missions.
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I like the mission, ships and weapons very much! They very nicely balanced I think, and fun to use.
The only thing I could point at was (For me) they did not seem "junky" enough, a bit to shiney. You know...
All in an, a very nice mod!
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Thanks!
Yeah, I agree with you on the 'Junkiness'. I've thought for a while that I should spend a bit of time making them look a lot 'rougher'.
The trouble is, I'm obviously not confident / happy in doing the sort of stuff that I think it needs. Oh well, I suppose I need to get my hands dirty at some point if I want to get them right ...
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I think what you really need it the color RUST, and a few loose panels and armorplates, and they'd be perfect!
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The king took delivery of the Boxer destroyers, but he hated them. He's taken them both away to his workshop to try and make some use of them ...
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/images/boxenstein.png)
I quite like this version. It kicks some royal ass, especially one-on-one, but any sort of group tactics can expose it's weak rear quite readily. Also as you can see, he likes to face the enemy with his shield down to make use of his powerful front facing energy weapons (and not risk overloading). Thankfully his good armor allows him to take at least a small battering to the face.
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I love the Dugong ;D, the broadsides it delivers are devastating and fun.
I notice though that collisions seem a bit sketchy; you might want to test your bounding polygon extents to make sure its reflected in the game the way you drew it. I think it was when my Dugong ran into a Cleet and it didn't collide where I thought it would.
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Bump. I meant to update this months ago, and here we are. Just got it working with 0.35a (see OP), some new weapons I think since last time, but no other major content.
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Bump. I meant to update this months ago, and here we are. Just got it working with 0.35a (see OP), some new weapons I think since last time, but no other major content.
Awesome! :) I'll give it a shot asap.
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Played through the two first missions by now. Seems pretty fun, though the cutlass weapon may be overpowered. (Or it may not - I don't have that strong a grasp on the game's balancing yet, but it did seem to chew through the Onslaught a fair deal faster than the assault chainguns - which are high explosive, so the best at tearing through targets whose armour has been pierced - were.
I also noted that all but two of the missions seemed to have been coded with erroneous ship variants - "lasher_support", which doesn't exist - that I take to have been intended as "lasher_CS", which is the close support variant of the Lasher frigate.
Edit: I just realised how critical my post seemed. Don't take this to mean I didn't enjoy the stuff - I did! It's good having new Starfarer missions to play after such a long time of only having the old ones! (Of which I've won all but Dire Straits, which continues to kick my ass.)
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Not overly critical at all! I appreciate the feedback.
I remember now trying to balance the cutlass, upping the flux cost, lowering / upping damage and flickering between ineffectual and over-effective. I think I probably ended up too strong, just because it was a bit more fun. Also if you can close in on things with the four scatter-pd weapons with the boxenstein, you shred them in seconds. Not sure myself if the low range balances them correctly either. They end up being terrible pd weapons, but good close in brawlers.
I picked up a couple of enforcer_support -> enforcer_cs changes but I didn't notice the lasher changed as well. Thanks, I'll pick that up.
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How do you guys use the pirate carrier? If I send the mass of fighters ahead of my carrier, they tend to be destroyed before they can make it back, but if I send my carrier with them, I lose mobility not to mention that the carrier isn't exactly that good of a ship in terms of ship to ship fights.
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Finally had a chance to try this again, and that was a lot of fun! I really like flying around in the Sickle-class - the one with the Cutlass. The scatter pd lasers are cool - ok-ish PD if you're running away from the missiles, and great for a close-range surprise damage burst. Makes for some interesting choices, and a bit of a challenge when combined with the somewhat-sluggish maneuvering of the ship.
And of course, the Dugong puts out an impressive wall of firepower, same as before.
Was also neat seeing new features like module damage and refitting fit right in along with this :)
How do you guys use the pirate carrier? If I send the mass of fighters ahead of my carrier, they tend to be destroyed before they can make it back, but if I send my carrier with them, I lose mobility not to mention that the carrier isn't exactly that good of a ship in terms of ship to ship fights.
I just ended up using it to hold down the farthest-back objective. Not a lot of fighters made it - in fact, nothing but the Dugong and a Sickle survived... so not exactly a shining example of a crushing victory :)
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Cool, glad you got to play it again!
Just a little bump as well, I've updated the mod slightly. It needed some text for the Codex to make sure it was a proper 0.35a update, and I've also added a randomised mission where you get to control a 'standard' assault Sickle alongside his friends against a (generally) larger Hegemony based fleet.
I think the mix of ships is fun (it's probably balanced towards a medium mission, sometimes easy, less occasionally hard) but let me know if anybody gets a chance to have a crack, and has any feedback. Often depends on what ships you end up getting on your side.
Also, I noticed the codex is very handy for seeing how your modded weapons fare against the other things in terms of DPS and Flux per second. I've upped the flux cost of the scatter PD to make it less of an instant close in killing machine and slightly nerfed the cutlass damage output. It's still up there with the pulse laser, but a bit less range and a bit less power. Will still destroy slower frigates that you can get on the tail of.
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Hmm, still getting the same problems with lasher_Support variants not being found in 4 of the missions (need to rename those to lasher_CS). Btw, I kept getting an old version of the mod until I finally downloaded it using IE - if it's not a hassle on your end, it might be helpful to put the version number in the zip filename.
As to the new mission, I got slaughtered horribly the 3-4 times I tried it. I suspect re-rolling until you get a Dugong and transferring command to it would make things significantly easier, but the Sickle feels very weak now. I mean, it can still beat up a Talon wing, if just barely - but seems to have major trouble vs any frigates. The flux buildup is just way high. In later attempts I started using it for strafing runs, using its speed to avoid staying in contact with the enemy. That was more fun - at least I wasn't getting chewed up - but wasn't terribly effective, the DPS just didn't seem to be there, even from the Cutlass.
... crap, I just realized that I'm playing in the dev version, which has flux capacity values for all the core ships increased by >50% :) That explains a lot!
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Oh no, I knew I forgot something. There was that, and another go at the dugong hitbox. Darn it.
I'll do a quick fix tomorrow morning and do as you suggest with the version numbering. Makes sense.
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Oh yeah, I thought I noticed something a bit funky with the Dugong. I think its collisionRadius circle doesn't fully contain the shieldRadius circle - some incoming fire passed through shields when it have clipped them on the outside. The collisionRadius check is used to cull collisions, so it doesn't even get to the shield check if something isn't close enough. Probably just need to up collisionRadius by 20-30 or so.
I'm guessing you were talking about the actual collision bounds on the ship though, but I hadn't noticed anything wrong with those. As long as they're mostly inside the sprite, it seems like minor inaccuracies don't stand out.
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Holy crap, just looked at the DPS for the scatter laser. No wonder I liked it so much - it's got the firepower of, like, 3 HILs :) With some pretty severe tradeoffs, but man can it rip things up.
Edit: Played a lot more. I like the feel of the ships - how the frigates are fast, but have really sluggish maneuvering characteristics, requiring a lot more care to fly. The Boxer and Boxenstein have a high armor-to-hull ratio, really emphasizing taking hits on undamaged armor. So much fun, really nicely done!
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I know, right? Thing is, I balanced it by making it spray like that whilst hopefully taking out a missile (maybe it destroys an incoming missile about 60% ?) This had the unintended consequence of making it really quite strong when it does hit, which at short range against big targets is alot. I kind of like it, and figure that if you actually care about your fleet, it will be less useful, because it's not normally good being near big ships.
Glad you enjoy playing it, i'm having fun making it :)
Tweaked and updated to .70a.
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... crap, I just realized that I'm playing in the dev version, which has flux capacity values for all the core ships increased by >50% :) That explains a lot!
How will that interact with the decision to decrease the number of larger weapons? I hope ships don't end up too durable.
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Not to hijack this thread too much (sorry!)... ships will be a good bit more durable. There's another reason for it, aside from the weapon size decrease - since weapons can be disabled, the firepower exchanged in a slugging match slows down as it goes on and weapons are knocked out.
The question is, will they be too durable? It's true that fights will take a bit longer, but they will also be a lot more eventful - with weapons going offline and engines flaming out. Those all are tactical considerations (Crap, need to turn my ship so that more active weapons can fire! Need to strafe to keep in the enemies newly-blind spot where their guns got knocked out! Try a flanking maneuver to get some shots at the engines! etc). Slowing the fights down was actually necessary to give those new features some room to play out, and I think overall they're a lot more engaging now.
It's not *that* drastic of a change - an incoming bomber wing or torpedo can still ruin your day, and there are lots more ways to end up a sitting duck if you screw up. For example, losing some critical PD turrets - or your engines - can contribute to a speedy demise.
I know, right? Thing is, I balanced it by making it spray like that whilst hopefully taking out a missile (maybe it destroys an incoming missile about 60% ?) This had the unintended consequence of making it really quite strong when it does hit, which at short range against big targets is alot. I kind of like it, and figure that if you actually care about your fleet, it will be less useful, because it's not normally good being near big ships.
Glad you enjoy playing it, i'm having fun making it :)
Tweaked and updated to .70a.
Excellent, I'll check it out soon - when I need a break from coding up sundry tooltips :)
Yeah, the Boxenstein shreds anything up close, but sure pays a price. I shudder to think of the crew casualties this will induce in the campaign.
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The question is, will they be too durable? It's true that fights will take a bit longer, but they will also be a lot more eventful - with weapons going offline and engines flaming out. Those all are tactical considerations (Crap, need to turn my ship so that more active weapons can fire! Need to strafe to keep in the enemies newly-blind spot where their guns got knocked out! Try a flanking maneuver to get some shots at the engines! etc). Slowing the fights down was actually necessary to give those new features some room to play out, and I think overall they're a lot more engaging now.
I'm inclined to enjoy slightly longer fights with more tactical possibilities myself. Only time and lots of play testing will truly tell what the best balance will be, but this sounds very promising and rotating ships due to weapon/engine damage sounds like a fun layer to add to the already sound combat.
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It will be fascinating to get to play with the new systems, and the new levels of durability.
Although, I find enough ways to end up being a sitting duck within the current game, so I'm not sure if I'm going to enjoy* the changes too much.
*to clarify I enjoy the game alot. I'm just not very good at it. Surely that's got to be a sign of a great game, one which you lose 75% of the time and still keep coming back to?
For those interested in the mod ;) I've updated the OP to now showcase the Junk Pirates fleet (including some graphical tweaks not yet implemented in the downloadable mod)
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hey...how come some of the ships say error...cant play the missions or the new ships...
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Did you get the latest version of the mod? I just tried it out with the release version of the game and all the missions work fine.
If you did and still have a problem, it would help if you posted the actual error message.
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Updated the link in the OP to now point to 0.75, now with a new heavy frigate - the Clam.
Also includes another new mission, similar in vein to 'The Wolf Pack' (frigate heavy, cut off escaping fleet).
As always, feedback welcome!
Happy New Year Starfarer Fans! (and Devs! - Ivaylo has probably already seen it in!?)
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That was fun, though I'm having a tough time actually beating the last mission. Not that that has much bearing on enjoyment.
I must, however, lodge an official complaint about the Clam's (lack of) firepower... ;D
Happy New Year Starfarer Fans! (and Devs! - Ivaylo has probably already seen it in!?)
Happy New Year!
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The King notes your concern. His official response is "I told you so".
I'm working on another one:
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/orca.png) (http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/orca2.png)
He needs a few more guns, and they need to work better in groups together, but I'm *generally* happy with the layout. It's an armed carrier, kind of a small capital ship, provisionally dubbed 'orca' even though it looks like a snail ???
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Nice, I like it! Especially the haphazard placement of the engine nozzles, very cool.
Where are the flight decks, though? Ohh, I think I see them - on inner part of the left ring? They don't stand out quite enough imo.
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Thanks! And thanks for the feedback. Yeah, I agree with you, its clear that it needs bringing out a bit more, now you mention it.
I think I need to revisit the sprite quite a bit anyway (thinking about adding/changing weapon mounts having played a bit with it) so I'll deffo add that to the list ...
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(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/Capitalship.png)
Update to 0.80! Now play with the Orca (not shown actual size)
Try the randomised junk battle to control as flagship, or play against the Junk Pirates fleet in an all new random battle.
(see OP for download link)
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Sorry everybody about the constant and bitty updates, but I keep finding things I need to change, playtesting etc. and can't help but update it.
Also I start back at work tomorrow for the New Year, so this will probably be the last one for at least a short while.
v0.81 changelist, generally:
- Realised many of my ships were cheating by equipping Heavy Machine Guns in light ballistic slots. Changed universally to light dual MGs.
- Strike sickle has been given a pair of AM Blasters, sickle has been given more flux generally, making the energy weapons slightly more effective in conjunction with the shield up.
- Added assault variant of the Orca. More offensive generally. Cyclone swapped out for a hurricane MIRV between standard and assault variants (standard is more of a defensive / fire support carrier role). Assault variant used as flagship for Randomised Junk level. Also added description for Orca hull.
- New Mission "Hold Fast!" As much as I enjoy picking on the lumbering Hegemony slagheaps in the other missions, I thought it was time that the Tri-Tachyon boys came visiting in numbers to see how the ships cope:
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/emptyhusk.png)
The answer was: Not very well. At least not without rethinking my tactics, and I did finally beat this mission with 34%, but the Tri-Tachyon fleet are, notably, much more dangerous.
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Added a video of the gameplay to the OP, for those who might be curious and haven't bothered to download the mod, or don't have the game.
Only gives a sample of the fleet, but this screen capture lark isn't altogether fun, and it will have to do ...
http://youtu.be/ZZ1jN89dvF8 (http://youtu.be/ZZ1jN89dvF8)
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Ahoy hoy! Just downloaded your mod and it looks great so far. Now you probably have no idea who i am ( lets face it why would you?) well i do video walkthroughs or LP's of games on the Youtubes and with your permission i'd like to do a little spotlight of your mod, currently rendering a sample video out right now to see how it looks and i'll post that here so you can see as well. Could take up to 40 minutes ( or longer) from this post due to slow internet speeds on my end.
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Ahoy hoy! Just downloaded your mod and it looks great so far. Now you probably have no idea who i am ( lets face it why would you?) well i do video walkthroughs or LP's of games on the Youtubes and with your permission i'd like to do a little spotlight of your mod, currently rendering a sample video out right now to see how it looks and i'll post that here so you can see as well. Could take up to 40 minutes ( or longer) from this post due to slow internet speeds on my end.
Cool!
This would be fine by me! Excited to see how you get on! :)
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One of the missions - I think it's Piece of Cake - is drastically more difficult than the stated difficulty level. The one where you have two destroyers (neither of which is allowed to be destroyed) and two wings of fighters against two enemy fighter wings and two Tempest-class frigates. I find it more difficult than all the missions marked Hard. At best, I've almost managed to destroy one of the Tempests before one of my destroyers gets wiped out. By contrasts, I've managed to beat one of the "impossible" missions without too much difficulty. But the combination of clumsy, short-range destroyers with an awkward weapons mix against the horrible Tempests just kills me every single time.
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Ahoy hoy! Just downloaded your mod and it looks great so far. Now you probably have no idea who i am ( lets face it why would you?) well i do video walkthroughs or LP's of games on the Youtubes and with your permission i'd like to do a little spotlight of your mod, currently rendering a sample video out right now to see how it looks and i'll post that here so you can see as well. Could take up to 40 minutes ( or longer) from this post due to slow internet speeds on my end.
Cool!
This would be fine by me! Excited to see how you get on! :)
here's the link to the video sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4Q01axlSEQ it's private so only anyone who clicks that link can see it since its just a sample there is no commentary and its quite short, but its got 10800P, ( which seems to have failed as i was rendering it slightly it was much crisper pre-render) also youtube seems to have trouble playing it and it skips for some reason. also not sure if restarting fixed it but the junk capital ship can't auto fire its weapons? i tried in the sample to no avail.
on a side note i was playing the missions and on the first one i SEVERELY underestimated a cleat bomber squad and was one shotted by them despite having nearly empty flux with my shields up. from now on i'm making it my highest priority to either get away from those or shoot them down XD
Edit: When I'm able to ( likely sometime later today) i'll record the full spotlight for it, which WILL have commentary and be much longer any ships your very proud of and would prefer me to focus on highlighting? Myself, I quite frankly love the dugong and will likely showcase the mission to disable the onslaught and a random battle as well.
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@Thana
One of the missions - I think it's Piece of Cake - is drastically more difficult than the stated difficulty level. The one where you have two destroyers (neither of which is allowed to be destroyed) and two wings of fighters against two enemy fighter wings and two Tempest-class frigates. I find it more difficult than all the missions marked Hard. At best, I've almost managed to destroy one of the Tempests before one of my destroyers gets wiped out. By contrasts, I've managed to beat one of the "impossible" missions without too much difficulty. But the combination of clumsy, short-range destroyers with an awkward weapons mix against the horrible Tempests just kills me every single time.
Cool, I can dig that. Unfortunately sometimes I don't know whether a level is relatively hard or not, as I don't consider myself to be very good at the game, and it's difficult to get context when you are playing and replaying the levels for balance. Sounds like it might be hard then.
Incidentally, SPOILER ALERT,
try sitting defensively over the lower marker (nav buoy?), take manual control of the hypervelocity driver, kill the carrier pronto, and work with your team mate. I can beat it most times that way.
END SPOILER ALERT
And thanks for the feedback :)
@Doom101
That's cool. Not sure about the Autofire thing, works fine for me ... Also, yeah, you really need to keep an eye out for those cleats, can ruin your day, fast!
And I'm cool with whatever you show :) whatever you have the most fun with :)
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One of the missions - I think it's Piece of Cake Walk in the Park - is drastically more difficult than the stated difficulty level. The one where you have two destroyers (neither of which is allowed to be destroyed) and two wings of fighters against two enemy fighter wings and two Tempest-class frigates. I find it more difficult than all the missions marked Hard. At best, I've almost managed to destroy one of the Tempests before one of my destroyers gets wiped out. By contrasts, I've managed to beat one of the "impossible" missions without too much difficulty. But the combination of clumsy, short-range destroyers with an awkward weapons mix against the horrible Tempests just kills me every single time.
Okay, I had another go (or two .. or three ...) at this, and I must concede it seems far more difficult than I remember. I just can't seem to get anywhere, despite my best efforts.
I can only suggest it is down to the AI tweaks to 0.35a, with the carrier sitting much further off the main field of battle and the Tempest pilots bringing their game to another level. I reckon it is highly likely all my other victories were in previous versions.
I shall have a think and a look at this at next time I revise the mod ...
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finished the full spotlight, its rendering now, i cased 2 random battles and the mission to take the HSS spaceboy, with varying results, also a brief description of each ship EXPECT (and i just noticed this in editing) the hammer, and the boxer which i didn't seem to see at all.
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finished the full spotlight, its rendering now, i cased 2 random battles and the mission to take the HSS spaceboy, with varying results, also a brief description of each ship EXPECT (and i just noticed this in editing) the hammer, and the boxer which i didn't seem to see at all.
:) Ace! Looking forward to watching it!
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in approximately 120 minutes ill be putting a link here to the video, or embed if i can. not sure if i can with this forum. might be able to ill have to try.
link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8apsY8U70
trying to figure out how to embed this now.
Edit: i'll have to make a spotlight for the game itself, for anyone not from the forums viewing this, it probably makes no fraking sense :D
Edit2: i can't figure out how to embed videos on this forum, so if you'll excuse me im going to go shoot things with lasers. and likely torpedoes.
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Just got a chance to watch it, with sound, and I really enjoyed it! (I would though, considering the very kind words you say throughout!)
There were some narrow squeaks with the torpedoes against the Onslaught ... he could have got you if his aim was a little better ...
I must admit, I'm not sure why you didn't succeed in the last mission either, I'll take a look at that, I thought I had set it up so you won the mission if you killed the Onslaught.
Would you mind if I linked to that within the OP instead of my dodgy effort?
Thanks for taking the time to record it, I think that's really cool :)
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feel free to link it on the OP, and yeah, some close scrapes on the onslaught, im just as confused as you are how i lost that mission i thought i did rather well XD but yeah, them torpedoes... you know i called a bomber wing on him, i dont think they ever made it to him hmmm... i wonder what happened to them.
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Need to hurry up and buy so I can play your mod, haha. It looks so awesome.
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Just played up through a walk in a park. Took me 4 tries to complete it, as your ships get way way out maneuvered by the tempests. I set an escort order on my ship, and then assigned the other ship and the 2 fighter wings to all escort me. It was a very very dangerous game of predicting the AI's attack on your friendly ship and then intercepting it for a short burst of damage if you are lucky.
In the end, the ship I was piloting ran completely out of ammo except for the PD laser weapons. So I quickly took over the sensor array which was nearby, luckily, and charged the 1 remaining tempest at just the right moment. With only the enemy carrier and 1 wasp squadron left, it was a pretty easy win after that...even with both of my ships at 1/3 hull left.
Probably could have kept my fighters in reserve and called them join the fight at a choice moment for a better score, but given the difficulty of that mission....pretty content with just winning, even with a crappy score of 44%.
Good work with the mod though, nice to play with some more diversity of ship layouts. Any plans to add in smaller icons for the fleet selection window/tactical map? It is a little strange looking at white blobs as ships, but I could get used to it. Damn pirates and their sensor jammers.
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Just played up through a walk in a park. Took me 4 tries to complete it, as your ships get way way out maneuvered by the tempests. I set an escort order on my ship, and then assigned the other ship and the 2 fighter wings to all escort me. It was a very very dangerous game of predicting the AI's attack on your friendly ship and then intercepting it for a short burst of damage if you are lucky.
In the end, the ship I was piloting ran completely out of ammo except for the PD laser weapons. So I quickly took over the sensor array which was nearby, luckily, and charged the 1 remaining tempest at just the right moment. With only the enemy carrier and 1 wasp squadron left, it was a pretty easy win after that...even with both of my ships at 1/3 hull left.
Probably could have kept my fighters in reserve and called them join the fight at a choice moment for a better score, but given the difficulty of that mission....pretty content with just winning, even with a crappy score of 44%.
Good work with the mod though, nice to play with some more diversity of ship layouts. Any plans to add in smaller icons for the fleet selection window/tactical map? It is a little strange looking at white blobs as ships, but I could get used to it. Damn pirates and their sensor jammers.
:)
Wow, well done on winning it. But it sounds as if you can only win it with 33% hull, and no more Hypervelocity rounds, its not really a fair fight ...
Interestingly on the icon front, I'm not sure why they don't work in 0.35a ... I meant to ask Alex about that ...
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There are probably better players than I out there who could anticipate the Ai's movements and more accurately set up a firing run. Mostly what I did was set the hyper velocity driver and PD lasers to autofire and tried to preemptively turn into the flight path of the tempest. The high damage does take down the tempests shields fairly quickly but it's very difficult to land a significant number of shots after that.
Since the tempests are absolutely amazing ships, I would suggest that you either improve the junk ships speed or maneuverability slightly or switch out one or both of the tempest for other frigates or a destroyer. Actually, thinking about that....I wonder how that fight would play out versus 1 Medusa and 1 Hyperion? Painfully, I would imagine.
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Interestingly on the icon front, I'm not sure why they don't work in 0.35a ... I meant to ask Alex about that ...
You have to colorize the icons and put them in junk_pirates\graphics\junk_pirates\ships\icons\color
Also need to change the prefix to "icon2_", from just "icon". In the next version, though, the icons are all automatically generated.
As far as beating "Walk in the Park"... jeez. I have to try that again - my attempts all ended very badly. Sort of like playing "monkey in the middle" while getting shot.
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Uploaded a video of me beating Walk in the park with a terrible score. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vFCdtuIlAHQ Hope that helps you with design for the mission/mod and helps other people beat it.
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Thank you! That is very helpful indeed.
I've noticed how exposed they are from behind, is that offset enough by the high armour?
And those chainguns are next to useless, because you can't bring them to bear on your target ...
Don't want to de-character them, but I've definitely got a few things to imvestigate. Perhaps it's even down to your escort ... Maybe we need a new JP fighter, or a carrier variant Boxer .... Oh the decisions .... I've got a bit of free time soon, so I'll probably do something about it by this time next week ...
Thanks again!
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like what u did with the mod... :)
are u going to expand the mod when the campaign is out? maby building some ships from scrap ingame... :-X
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JPs grow as more ships are destroyed?
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Just out of curiosity, what do you use to edit the game's files?
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m i only one having broblem with that "gunboat" mission with 2 boxers?
i mean those escort fighters just disappear without carrier and the enemy keeps throwing those drones at me again & again till i die (and cant seem to finish off those frigates *****s just keep running off to vent flux whenever they feel like it because im too slow.. and whats with the boxers shield capacity it overloads in seconds from frigate?
"end of rant" :'(
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@BeanusMaximus: I use paint.net, gimp and notepad+ (or scite) by and large. It's fairly straightforward once you have figured it out, and redbulls or trylobots ship editors really help with creating new ships.
@SgtAlex86: Walk In The Park? Yeah, that was created and balanced a couple of versions ago, and since then the AI has got cleverer. I'm experimenting with making it a bit easier, or more fun (and retaining the difficulty) at the minute. I'm open to any suggestions, and DukeVonBathrobe has posted a gameplay video on what it looks like to beat it ...
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tried beelining for the carrier but the other boxer vent and got himself killed before i got back to action from the other side of the map :-\
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Theres now a 0.85 up.
Contains a new heavy fighter, the 'Shard' (specifically supposed to be an escort) and Walk in the Park has been 'rebalanced'. No more pesky Tempest double teaming, but hopefully all the difficulty and fun hasn't fallen out of it.
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:o will enjoy
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I dont know if its just me, but i still cannot beat the mission, the fighters die way too fast to a single freighter, and the 2 other ships are slow and have hardly any shield piercing attacks. A laser of some sort would be nice to have...
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Good stuff, I will have to check it out...guess my video is now out of date though. Glad I had the chance to beat the unfair challenge while it was there.
Edit: Sorry, posted again forgetting I could just edit this post to add. Deleted that post. The new version of Walk in the park is significantly easier than before, but more appropriate to the medium difficulty rating. Also, it is more fun as the new boxers seem to turn way faster and can concentrate fire much better.
Completed it 100% and recorded.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMXqSNW3YS4
Oh and why does my ship seem to get a second engine boost? Is that a bug or a feature of pirate ships?
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Cool stuff, DukeVonBathrobe! :D
Is the 'second boost' the one you get when you are over the planet? If so, that happens over all planets, and interestingly if you throttle UP to a high speed whilst 'slingshotting', you don't lose that speed unless you keep throttling (so just remove throttle when you are going ~240). Can enable you to get up the map a little bit faster, I actually moved the planet to give the possible option of using this slingshot to get straight to the carrier in this way. Of course, whenever I tried it myself, I got isolated and destroyed, but I thought it was a nice idea in principle ... !
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@BeanusMaximus: I use paint.net, gimp and notepad+ (or scite) by and large. It's fairly straightforward once you have figured it out, and redbulls or trylobots ship editors really help with creating new ships.
@SgtAlex86: Walk In The Park? Yeah, that was created and balanced a couple of versions ago, and since then the AI has got cleverer. I'm experimenting with making it a bit easier, or more fun (and retaining the difficulty) at the minute. I'm open to any suggestions, and DukeVonBathrobe has posted a gameplay video on what it looks like to beat it ...
Ah I see :D Gunna have a try (and most likely fail) haha xD If I can at least be able to play with the code etc then I might try and join and mod team/get one together :P
I'd be a hardcore rebel and go solo lol but I can't do graphics do save my life q.q
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Another quick question, how do you get the ships to look so... smooth? :L
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Another quick question, how do you get the ships to look so... smooth? :L
http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg4333#msg4333
The post above shows, generally, how I create my ships.
http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg551#msg551
This one shows Avan doing some madskillz on the pixel work.
http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg958#msg958
From about here in the thread, Avan starts producing a load of ships, some based entirely on the existing pixel-work already done by David.
Maybe some inspiration amongst that? :)
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Another quick question, how do you get the ships to look so... smooth? :L
http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg4333#msg4333
The post above shows, generally, how I create my ships.
http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg551#msg551
This one shows Avan doing some madskillz on the pixel work.
http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=22.msg958#msg958
From about here in the thread, Avan starts producing a load of ships, some based entirely on the existing pixel-work already done by David.
Maybe some inspiration amongst that? :)
So you basically draw it in real life then redo it in paint.net/gimp?
Do a video covering your next ship on how you do it lmao xD
Also how long does it take for you to do things like that?
I'd probably be alright doing a basic ship, however making it detailed and make it so the colours blend etc I would suck so bad at :L
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So you basically draw it in real life then redo it in paint.net/gimp?
Do a video covering your next ship on how you do it lmao xD
Also how long does it take for you to do things like that?
I'd probably be alright doing a basic ship, however making it detailed and make it so the colours blend etc I would suck so bad at :L
Yeah, sounds about right.
I don't keep count, but at least 4 hours on the Orca so far, maybe a few more than that for the Dugong, and a few hours each for the smaller ships. It's probably half the work getting it to where the Orca is currently, then an equal time spent pixeling and detailing (something the Orca hasn't had any time on, yet).
If you are concerned about it, start off with a simple fighter, or a small frigate first. You'll find the Starfarer engine makes your ships look good almost whatever you do, and once you see it in the game, that alone might give you the motivation to try something a bit more demanding. :)
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So you basically draw it in real life then redo it in paint.net/gimp?
Do a video covering your next ship on how you do it lmao xD
Also how long does it take for you to do things like that?
I'd probably be alright doing a basic ship, however making it detailed and make it so the colours blend etc I would suck so bad at :L
Yeah, sounds about right.
I don't keep count, but at least 4 hours on the Orca so far, maybe a few more than that for the Dugong, and a few hours each for the smaller ships. It's probably half the work getting it to where the Orca is currently, then an equal time spent pixeling and detailing (something the Orca hasn't had any time on, yet).
If you are concerned about it, start off with a simple fighter, or a small frigate first. You'll find the Starfarer engine makes your ships look good almost whatever you do, and once you see it in the game, that alone might give you the motivation to try something a bit more demanding. :)
Hmmm tempted >:D
I'd say challenge accepted however idleness does tend to overpower me xD
Is gimp better for blending and stuff like that?
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got trough the walk in the park with first try at 21%... lost both wings of useless fighters during first rush at flags :-\ but for some reason this time those wasps got annihilated instead of returning home... did u do something to the loadouts of boxers? ??? (btw the main guns run out of ammo too fast need MOAR for bigger battles this time t was just few frigates how are u supposed to take down cruisers if u cant carry enough ammo... ^^)
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got trough the walk in the park with first try at 21%... lost both wings of useless fighters during first rush at flags :-\ but for some reason this time those wasps got annihilated instead of returning home... did u do something to the loadouts of boxers? ??? (btw the main guns run out of ammo too fast need MOAR for bigger battles this time t was just few frigates how are u supposed to take down cruisers if u cant carry enough ammo... ^^)
Congrats on the mission success!
I did do something to the boxer loadout indeed. The two chainguns on the front were replaced with a couple of hypervelocity drivers (for long range attacks) and the single, turreted HVel driver was replaced with a dual flak cannon. This flak cannon in conjunction with the two PD weapons on the front CAN cut through a pack of wasps quite easily, if the wasps approach you at the wrong angle and stick around a little bit too much. Also all the varied missiles have been brought together as three packs of 'swarmers', so they are a bit more useable and last throughout the battle against the generally light craft you are fighting.
If you were trying to bring down a cruiser, all you would need to do is swap out one of those swarmers (probably the one looking forwards) with a typhoon (torpedo tube), and then strategically bring her shields down from range with the drivers and throw a torpedo down her throat.
Alternatively just walk next to her and pummel the living hell out of her with those two Scatter PD guns, and hope you are the toughest ...
Problem is that the Boxer is not very good at fighting frigates (which is kind of the point of the mission, I suppose), I think it would have a much better chance against something like a cruiser where the speed and manouvreability difference is not so obvious. Far more of your shots are going to count (less wasted ammo) , you can then take advantage of your high armour and just slug it out with them.
Also the boxer is always likely to have a problem with ammo, because it depends on ballistic and missile weapons heavily. When it comes to something like the campaign, you would be daft to field it in a situation like that demanded by this mission, because of the obvious problems. It needs a bit of support, I suppose, and that's kind one of the design points (if it had everything, it would be no fun) :)
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well i do like the current load out much more actualy instead of screaming at my screen and pounding the armrest of my "command chair" i actually had fun dancing with those frigates... but untill they add the possibility to rearm mid fight, the boxers... need more ammo :-X (and yes that was the reason i went all necromancer on the other topic...)
almoust feel like cheating and going to modify the files for extra 0s to ammo count :D
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That is awesome and I was completely unaware of that effect until now.
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Is gimp better for blending and stuff like that?
Time and patience are the best tools, to be honest, whatever program you use :-\ (although shrinking a large, roughly blended sprite can give you a bit of slack)
Another option would be to crib bits of the original ships, layer them up and move them about to create new ones. Here are a couple I knocked up in the last half hour this way (light freighters for ferrying stuff about):
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_lightfreighter.png) (http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_lightfreighter2.png)
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Is gimp better for blending and stuff like that?
Time and patience are the best tools, to be honest, whatever program you use :-\ (although shrinking a large, roughly blended sprite can give you a bit of slack)
Another option would be to crib bits of the original ships, layer them up and move them about to create new ones. Here are a couple I knocked up in the last half hour this way (light freighters for ferrying stuff about):
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_lightfreighter.png) (http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_lightfreighter2.png)
Ah fair does :D Well I'mma download gimp and give it a try :D They look awesome btw
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Is gimp better for blending and stuff like that?
Time and patience are the best tools, to be honest, whatever program you use :-\ (although shrinking a large, roughly blended sprite can give you a bit of slack)
Another option would be to crib bits of the original ships, layer them up and move them about to create new ones. Here are a couple I knocked up in the last half hour this way (light freighters for ferrying stuff about):
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_lightfreighter.png) (http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_lightfreighter2.png)
freighters huh? sounds like someone is prepping for the campaign release where you actually have to move things. XD
Edit:also realized after i posted this post, that this could make for an interesting mission i imagine it would go something like this:
The king ordered these ship parts months ago but we keep getting delayed by hegemony forces! They even had the nerve to blockade this area of space! Take your ship ( boxenstein perhaps?) and punch a hole for the freighters!
Mission briefing:
disable the hegemony blockade
the Freighters must retreat successfully
i figure retreat would be a good type of mission so you have to protect your freighters while they escape the blockade? maybe put the enemies on defensive so they stay more or less together? or at least i imagine they would more than on attacking, also maybe only a few freighters have to escape? like 2/3 must escape for a win. and with only a boxenstein and maybe a few fighters the enemies shouldn't have like something overwhelming like... a conquest or something but enough to put up a good challenge of course.
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A single outdated onslaught would do the trick,
maybe with some of those terrifying mining drones :D
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Thanks for the suggestions chaps, sounds like the perfect introductory mission for our new little friend:
THE STOAT! (A-variant and B-variants available)
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/screenshot010.jpg)
Please do not bring these into combat unless your life depends on it. They are awful.
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I like the name. Sounds very redwall. :)
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Redwall???
EEEEUUUULALIIAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!
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Oh Balls, the Badgers are here . . . :D
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0.90 up!
New Mission - 'Soup Train'
Stoat added (inter-system freighter)
Descriptions updated
I'd love some feedback on the new mission, have done quite a lot of playtesting, and I don't know whether I can look at it objectively anymore ...
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Gave it a whirl. Gotta say, I love your art style. Really consistent with selling the whole "junk pirates" theme, plus it just looks good.
So, the new mission! At first, I ordered a defensive action in the middle of the map, and sent the civilians to the right. Then realized that I should probably move the holding action to the left a bit - into the nebula, to slow down the lumbering enemy ships. So, did that (running low on command points once, but ordered the capture of the comm relay behind enemy lines to get back on track).
The flagship (the RNS Minestrone, heh heh) is really, really tough, and also weak offensively. At first I thought that would lead to trouble - but it could chew up fighters decently enough, and the armor came in really handy as I was leading the Onslaught and Enforcers to the left side of the map.
The two Enforcers ended up in the very top left corner of the map at the end, and the Onslaught got lost somewhere inside the nebula :) Sadly, not before it fired a torpedo salvo at the RNS Goulash, which was lost with all hands - despite the valiant efforts of its gunnery officers, who were able to shoot down two of the torpedoes with PD lasers.
In the meanwhile, I was deploying the Stoats and retreating them after they got at least partway to the civ rally on the right side.
Surprisingly, the rest of the enemy fleet was completely taken out by the Junk Pirates light craft. They carried the field and were able to cap all the enemy-side objectives. I suspect it may be possible to outright beat the enemy forces, though the Onslaught would be tough - or at least time-consuming - to defeat. All in all, I had a lot of fun beating the mission. The heavy armor on the flagship actually allowed me to adjust strategies mid-fight, and the whole "distract the enemy while the freighters get away" thing really worked.
Battle results screenshot (click to enlarge):
(http://www.fractalsoftworks.com/public/soup_train_win.png) (http://www.fractalsoftworks.com/public/soup_train_win.png)
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You should update with OP with the stoat.
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I think Alex should consider to put Junk Pirates as small fraction in full game. This mod is pure AWESOMNES!!! I enjoy every bit of missions ;D Ships are design beautiful. ::)
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/endorsed 8)
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I second the sentiment, but I don't know that it's entirely feasible. What would be more cool is being able to actually mod factions into the game. That could be a crap ton more work than Alex has time for, though.
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Hehehehehehe we will see what he's gonna say. He like JP too ;D
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I second the sentiment, but I don't know that it's entirely feasible. What would be more cool is being able to actually mod factions into the game. That could be a crap ton more work than Alex has time for, though.
Yeah, it would be pretty cool if Alex could eventually hire/buy some of these cooler mod ships/weapons/concepts, etc, but I have no idea how that stuff works, might be highly unfeasible in a legal/financial sense or something.
No worries, I bet it will all work out in the end, Alex has shown a lot of support for Modding, and so far the Modding community is taking off crazy fast considering how early of a state the game is in. ;D
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I think Alex should consider to put Junk Pirates as small fraction in full game. This mod is pure AWESOMNES!!! I enjoy every bit of missions ;D Ships are design beautiful. ::)
Aw, thanks man! (Ninja'd: and others!)
I'm reasonably sure David can cope (and then some) with the art required, though ... besides, I doubt they could afford my exorbitant fees ...
Also, my mod strays significantly from the lore of the game, so even if Alex COULD afford me, I would start rewriting the game world, and it would all just get too messy ... ;)
Thanks for trying it out, Alex. It's always nice how the game lets you imagine these kinds of tactical possibilities, then all you do is put a few ships in the right place, and these little stories in the game play themselves out to plan ... :)
That sounds pretty much how I have been finding it ... couldn't be sure whether it was just because I had been playing it so much, and all it would take is an engagement of the Stoats by a reasonable force to be game over ...
I might consider making it harder, but the smaller ship fight that inevitably goes on always seemed on a knife edge as I tweaked the fleets slightly up and down. One to mull over and experiment about with a bit more ...nalthough I don't suppose a mission always has to pummel you in to the ground, as long as it's reasonably fun ...
ANYWAY - on to the reason I came here ...
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/langoustine.png)
It's a quick-ish destroyer (~Medusa), needs a bit more pixel-love, and probably some balancing, but I think it's pretty cool ... It abhors missiles, and it doesn't have a mission yet, but I'll see if I can't get on to that in the next few days :)
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i tried to install the mod, but when it started it crashed and said JSONObject ''mission'' not found. any idea what this means?
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That could make a nice assault destroyer.
Are those AM blasters on hardpoints or turrets?
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... What would be more cool is being able to actually mod factions into the game. That could be a crap ton more work than Alex has time for, though.
That'll definitely be possible. It already is, in the dev build.
I might consider making it harder, but the smaller ship fight that inevitably goes on always seemed on a knife edge as I tweaked the fleets slightly up and down. One to mull over and experiment about with a bit more ...nalthough I don't suppose a mission always has to pummel you in to the ground, as long as it's reasonably fun ...
Hehe, yeah. It is fun, too.
ANYWAY - on to the reason I came here ...
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Oh man, that looks awesome :)
i tried to install the mod, but when it started it crashed and said JSONObject ''mission'' not found. any idea what this means?
Hmm. You don't by chance have any other mods enabled which might be causing the problem? Also, did you delete the old junk_pirates folder before unzipping the new one?
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no, i have the newest version and deleted the oldes. it is located in the mods folder. i got my own mod in another directory for the time being. i can't figure it out :/
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crashlog:
PIC: (http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/2817/crashqffmzw.png) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/221/crashqffmzw.png/)
ERROR com.fs.starfarer.for.E - org.json.JSONException: JSONObject["mission"] not found.
org.json.JSONException: JSONObject["mission"] not found.
at org.json.JSONObject.get(JSONObject.java:406)
at org.json.JSONObject.getString(JSONObject.java:577)
at com.fs.starfarer.loading.class.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.loading.SpecStore.Ô00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.loading.SpecStore.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.loading.String.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.B.super.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.for.E.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$2.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
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That could make a nice assault destroyer.
Are those AM blasters on hardpoints or turrets?
That's the 'Strike' variant I've got set up, it has those blasters sitting on each of the approx 50/50 (180/180?) coverage small energy turrets sitting out at the sides. I suppose the original designer anticipated they would be used for PD, but they've fitted this particular variant out with a front facing rack of Graviton Beams (to try and take down shields effectively) supplemented by those blasters, given they don't pack any missiles.
At its current configuration, it needs more flux capacitors if it wants to be effective with a pair like that (brings you almost to full flux after firing ...), and I'm not 100% that the weapon balance is quite right as it is ... but that was the concept, and I'm rolling with it for now ...
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ERROR com.fs.starfarer.for.E - org.json.JSONException: JSONObject["mission"] not found.
org.json.JSONException: JSONObject["mission"] not found.
at org.json.JSONObject.get(JSONObject.java:406)
That looks like a problem with mission_list.csv - but the one in the mod looks right (and works for me). Are you sure the core game itself is working? Is it possible you edited the mission_list in the game itself, by accident, so that that's the one causing a problem?
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strange, even when i completely reïnstall the game it crashes. oh well maybe its beacause of my own pc. it's a heap of junk anyways..
i haven't had this problem with any other 35a mod btw :/
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That could make a nice assault destroyer.
Are those AM blasters on hardpoints or turrets?
That's the 'Strike' variant I've got set up, it has those blasters sitting on each of the approx 50/50 (180/180?) coverage small energy turrets sitting out at the sides. I suppose the original designer anticipated they would be used for PD, but they've fitted this particular variant out with a front facing rack of Graviton Beams (to try and take down shields effectively) supplemented by those blasters, given they don't pack any missiles.
At its current configuration, it needs more flux capacitors if it wants to be effective with a pair like that (brings you almost to full flux after firing ...), and I'm not 100% that the weapon balance is quite right as it is ... but that was the concept, and I'm rolling with it for now ...
The hyperion (A frigate) has a pair of AM blasters, though as I recall it has a number of flux capacitor hull mods to compensate for the amount of flux they generate. So I'm thinking thats about right. Afterall, with AM blasters, the idea is generally to get close, fire, then run away while venting.
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Afterall, with AM blasters, the idea is generally to get close, fire, then run away while venting.
Exactly, I really enjoy that type of stuff, it is something I've experimented with a bit myself, I love the idea of the AM blaster, but the flux requirements are so high, you have to be creative about it, ha ha.
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Afterall, with AM blasters, the idea is generally to get close, fire, then run away while venting.
Exactly, I really enjoy that type of stuff, it is something I've experimented with a bit myself, I love the idea of the AM blaster, but the flux requirements are so high, you have to be creative about it, ha ha.
I've kind of started to think about playing by the rules, and that means obeying OP limits :(
Upshot of it is, the Langoustine can't take 3 Gravitons in to battle alongside the AMblasters, BUT it can take 3 ion cannons, a dual flak mount and a few flux capacitors. I've also tried a bank of 3 AMblasters at the front, with ioncannons on the side, which is interesting. I get the feeling the third blaster is all but redundant though, would probably be better substituted for 10 flux capacitors, and the ship would still retain it's punch ...
3 pulse-lasers, 2 pdlasers and a heavy machine gun is the current 'Standard' variant. This also carries a few flux capacitors in with it, and those pulse lasers can really chew things up.
But this OP limit stuff is hard ...
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The hyperion (A frigate) has a pair of AM blasters, though as I recall it has a number of flux capacitor hull mods to compensate for the amount of flux they generate. So I'm thinking thats about right. Afterall, with AM blasters, the idea is generally to get close, fire, then run away while venting.
Is that the one in the Bis'Mar mission? 'Cause that frigate is dang fun. Plink! Ohcrapohcrapohcrapohcrapohcrap... :)
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But this OP limit stuff is hard ...
Indeed! ha ha, somehow it ends up being rather satisfying though, knowing that an idea/ship is balanced, I am excited to try out the refit screen in 0.5, that way Alex will have done the OP limit math for me via the interface. :D
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Current OP values (.35a-pre2 and before) are unbalanced, so I wouldn't pay too much heed to them.
.5a-pre should be more balanced I would imagine.
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0.95 - The Langoustine has been added ... and a new, small mission.
Randomised battles also tweaked to include either variant of Langoustine, and Shard also picked up.
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hahahahaha... i have FINALLY found what's causing the errors, ahem:
it was EVERY -->''<-- thing in EVERY CSV file. after 10 minutes of deleting all '' s i finally got it working ;D
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anyone think their should be a big 3 port carrier for the junks...the octopuses are kinda...eh..
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anyone think their should be a big 3 port carrier for the junks...the octopuses are kinda...eh..
kinda... meh?.... xD
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anyone think their should be a big 3 port carrier for the junks...the octopuses are kinda...eh..
kinda... meh?.... xD
Is it that you don't LIKE the Octopus, or is it that you find it fairly close to useless?
It's supposed to be poor in combat (deployed behind your own lines, probably with some point defense escort) ... but if you just don't like it generally, then that's something else.
There is the Orca for a more combat capable carrier ... (also check the OP for a tweaked sprite) ? I should probably give it another flight deck, mind ...
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no, i know its role is being a carrier :D.
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This is a great mod, really enjoy the fact that there is a bit of a story line in the missions.
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Can you make Junkies fly in system? I wanna kick opponents engine with them ;D
Say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes, say yes... Yes?
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Erm .... yes? :D (eventually?)
I have actually been having a play around, but haven't figured it out yet ... I would like to get them in and playable though at some point ...
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AWESOME!!!! :) :D ;D 8) :P
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copy paste independent faction, them replace fleet spawns with junk fleets lol
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Seems I was struggling last night because I was incapable of seeing a small typo ...
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/screenshot026.png)
MUA HA HA HA HA!!!
They are sitting on a little station in Corvus VI (for some reason previously undiscovered) and now I need to spend a bit of time getting shard wings worth more than 120 credits, with more than zero ordnance points etc. and some general testing to make sure the spawns generally work okay ...
Hopefully I can upload something this weekend ...
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do want! :o
btw is it compatible with TT station mod... cause wants the cake and eat it too... :3
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RRRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEEEEE EEEEEEEEEEECCCCCCCCCCCCCTTTTTTTTTTTTTT !!!!!!!!!!
OK, dude, i'm gonna eat Killer cake in your name! (Killer cake is moded Kasato cake but without sugar fingers cookies, basicallyit's a small cake made of chocolate ;D It's small because noone can eat lots of it ;D) OR I can make Nutela pancakes .... Ah nwm, something sugary will be eaten in your honor!
LONG LIVE AND PROSPER :D
and may the MOD be with you!
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i'ma take a fleet of Nebula up agianst some of thos Duongs <-- Whats the battleship?
Course my nebulas have 6 large energy mounts and cardboard armor
Glass Cannons FTW!
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6 Large energy mounts? :o I think I would leave my Dugong by the side of the road and get outta there in my shuttle ...
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I've gone and updated the mod, so that if you start a new campaign, there will be a new kid in town. A station on a new planet in the outskirts of the system.
Go there to buy Junk Pirates' ships, watch them beat up the Hegemony and the Tri-Tachyon, or get involved yourself and start knocking them about.
Variants have all been upgraded to suit the new balance, it should (touch wood) all be about right, but of course I appreciate any feedback.
Unfortunately, this doesn't seem to work in conjunction with Paul's TT Station mod.
Get it here (http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates 100.rar) (or check OP)
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Downloads broken "file not found on server.." :'(
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Looks like the link should be http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates%20100.rar (http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates%20100.rar)
Oh, nm, he already fixed it :)
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Downloads broken "file not found on server.." :'(
Oops ... typographical error there ... try now?
NE: Thanks Paul ...
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Ow, doungs just wrecked my nebulas at a 1.5:1 ratio
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SgtAlex, here are the files to merge in TT Station for version 1.0 of Junk Pirates. Just drop the data folder on top of the data folder for junk pirates, it'll add the couple files I use in my mod and replace sectorgen.java with the one I merged the mods together with. I left in the little independent "Salvage Yard" that I stealth added (quite by accident when fixing the crash bug, but eh more stations is good) too, heh.
This won't be necessary next version, once the problem with getting stuff by name is fixed. But for now this works, at least until mendonca releases a new version with a new sectorgen.java and someone still uses this and overwrites his changes and breaks the mod :)
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:3 so happy!
There is typo in the "junk pirates retained defensive leet"... :D
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Erm, whuups. Mendonca used cargo as his station's cargo, so my "merger" forgot to take that into account, which made it add all the cargo meant for the tritach station to his station. lol. Fixed it.
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bw4jSI5meNgsN2ZjYWE4ZTItODBjZS00MmFiLWIwOTctYjkyOWQ1NGM1MmVl
-edit- This is only needed for v1.01 of my mod. The newer versions are compatible already.
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Argh, i want to install it, but i had to get 7-zip to extract it....
I cant seem to get it to show, and i have no other mods installed, i extracted it while it was in the mods directory, may have been the problem...
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Are junkies neutral with everybody? was following em around and they just flew around not attacking anyone? ???
ok after playing 2 hours or so i finally started seeing junkies looting some hegemony patrols maby was just slow start... ;)
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Erm, whuups. Mendonca used cargo as his station's cargo, so my "merger" forgot to take that into account, which made it add all the cargo meant for the tritach station to his station. lol. Fixed it.
https://docs.google.com/open?id=0Bw4jSI5meNgsN2ZjYWE4ZTItODBjZS00MmFiLWIwOTctYjkyOWQ1NGM1MmVl
Cool beans! Nice one, Paul. I did pretty much wholesale rip off your text for my station, so that would explain that ... :)
In terms of neutrality, I set there relations at -1 with Heg. and TT. I thought it was working okay, but now you mention it they don't seem to fight too much. I'm pretty sure I saw a supply convoy roll over a small TT fleet on the way in, but maybe not. I'll watch out for that ...
MagicalTrevor, does the 'junk_pirates' directory exist immediately in your 'mods' folder? Thats where it should be ...
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Actually, a while ago i downloaded it to the desktop, and then extracted it to the mods foler, it works now!
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whys boxenstein so much cheaper than boxer... would think boxenstein would cost bout the same as 2 boxers :-\
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I don't know if this was intentional or not but the JP cruiser is in the destroyer tab in the buy/sell ship list
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oh man, just checked out the junk pirates new mission, the new ship oh and i've taken their side in the quest for campaign superiority :D the TT guys are the biggest pain in the arse EVER. i suppose it helps they practically eliminated the hegemony for us though... sadly i'm poor as crazy so right now i just help the junk pirates against other pirates XD
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also not sure if this is a bug or i'm really unlucky with the resupply fleets ( 4 have come to the station) but are we not able to get the octopus ship? it doesn't seem to ever appear.
also a slight oversight? in the main post the dugong is classified as a cruiser but in-game it's a destroyer.
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Hey, Junkees need some first class capital junk! Do same think like you did to boxer. Merge 2x ORCA into 1 ;D It would be awesome :P
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:o have to say i love the hammer class frigates... just took out venture class cruiser with 1 hammer and shuttle (shuttle kept distracting and i threw my torps in 2s at it first 2 overloaded shields and rest took it down from 100% to smoking wreck in 4seconds ^^)
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:o have to say i love the hammer class frigates... just took out venture class cruiser with 1 hammer and shuttle (shuttle kept distracting and i threw my torps in 2s at it first 2 overloaded shields and rest took it down from 100% to smoking wreck in 4seconds ^^)
:D cool!
I'm considering buying a couple for a fire support team ... Kit them out with a pair of Pilums and missile racks, a veritable rain of fire ...
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the tritech station mod files that you made for this mod remove the tri tech and nuetral stations
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has anyone mentioned the current balance with the scatter PD's and cutlass?
About the cutlass:
Having a high flux for a high damage gun doesn't balance it out, because you essentially get more for your hardpoint. Also, in some cases more flux is what you want.
And the scatter PD's:
Let's just say the standard sickle frigate is the most dangerous frigate in the game in the hands of a player. Those scatters do almost as much damage as a cutlass, and they don't cost the flux, and they're energy weapons so they work on everything, and they're point defense. Do these things Julian fries as well?
The design of the ships are cool, REALLY cool (except the mothership, that thing is a teal and red hue of strange.), but there is a tendency with mod makers to make their additions uniquely powerful, so that they stand out. Some of these ships and weapons really stand out.
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has anyone mentioned the current balance with the scatter PD's and cutlass?
About the cutlass:
Having a high flux for a high damage gun doesn't balance it out, because you essentially get more for your hardpoint. Also, in some cases more flux is what you want.
And the scatter PD's:
Let's just say the standard sickle frigate is the most dangerous frigate in the game in the hands of a player. Those scatters do almost as much damage as a cutlass, and they don't cost the flux, and they're energy weapons so they work on everything, and they're point defense. Do these things Julian fries as well?
The design of the ships are cool, REALLY cool (except the mothership, that thing is a teal and red hue of strange.), but there is a tendency with mod makers to make their additions uniquely powerful, so that they stand out. Some of these ships and weapons really stand out.
cutlass looses range compared to pulse lazer... dont know bout scatter pd havnt had time to play with it yet :-\
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has anyone mentioned the current balance with the scatter PD's and cutlass?
About the cutlass:
Having a high flux for a high damage gun doesn't balance it out, because you essentially get more for your hardpoint. Also, in some cases more flux is what you want.
And the scatter PD's:
Let's just say the standard sickle frigate is the most dangerous frigate in the game in the hands of a player. Those scatters do almost as much damage as a cutlass, and they don't cost the flux, and they're energy weapons so they work on everything, and they're point defense. Do these things Julian fries as well?
Both weapons have fluttered between being very powerful and less powerful, with flux costs flickering about just as much, since I starting pratting about with them. The cutlass is supposed to be offset by the range penalty against the pulse laser, at just under 2/3rd, but yeah, it is pretty powerful. But then, so is the pulse. The larger flux reserves in this version against the last (0.5a vs. 0.35a) probably count against any previous balancing, making the thing relatively more powerful, because these things used to cut out quite quickly in the Sickle (not so much anymore, I suppose ...)
In terms of the scatterpd, it ended up where it is, because - if it wasn't as powerful - it would never knock a missile out of the sky out of space due to it's terrible accuracy. I guess it ended up, almost accidentally, being an awesome close assault weapon, and I kind of hoped it would be a bit more costly to use it in the campaign, where getting up close and personal to some ships (enforcer, dominator etc.) is going to cost you dearly. Not so dangerous against smaller ships, though, I guess...
The design of the ships are cool, REALLY cool (except the mothership, that thing is a teal and red hue of strange.), but there is a tendency with mod makers to make their additions uniquely powerful, so that they stand out. Some of these ships and weapons really stand out.
Ha ha! Thanks, man, and thanks for the feedback, I appreciate it. It's really cool to hear people are having a good play around! :D
@Alendor: When I tried to run both together, it seemed to use my mod in preference to Paul's mod in terms of the Sectorgen file. I think there's a little bug in how it's working at the minute, such that mods can't play on top of each other in the campaign (unless I did it wrong) due to it picking a single Sectorgen to use to generate the system (presumably the first directory alphabetically, or something).
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I think there's a little bug in how it's working at the minute, such that mods can't play on top of each other in the campaign (unless I did it wrong) due to it picking a single Sectorgen to use to generate the system (presumably the first directory alphabetically, or something).
You can actually use multiple SectorGen-type classes - need to add them to "data/world/generators.csv". Right now, though, there's a bug w/ StarSystemAPI.getEntityByName, so you can't get SectorEntityTokens for stuff created by another generator. This is fixed in the next version, though.
Ultimately, the default SectorGen is not supposed to be touched by mods unless it's a total conversion.
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Wouldn't that still keep multiple mods from working together due to needing different generators.csv, or does the game automatically add together generators.csv from multiple mods selected?
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Wouldn't that still keep multiple mods from working together due to needing different generators.csv, or does the game automatically add together generators.csv from multiple mods selected?
Yeah, the game merges a few different type of files from different mods - ship_data.csv, weapon_data.csv, missions.csv, planets.json, etc.
That's why, for example, if you're adding a new ship or weapon in a mod, your mod's ship_data and weapon_data just need to contain the new stuff, and as long as there are no id clashes, it'll coexist peacefully with other mods. Incidentally, that's why it's recommended to prepend a unique mod-specific id to ship and weapon ids, and anything else similar.
Edit: sounds.json is another important one where it does that.
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Ah, cool. Thought it might, but wasn't sure.
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Just a quick note to say I've updated the link to 1.01.
GET IT HERE (http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates 101.rar)
-Fixed up OP counts against variants (thanks to catattack998 for spelling out the value of the devmode for that!)
-buffed the Langoustine.
-Also hullmods now properly showing up for some of the ships where I had left the designation as mods:[] rather than changing to hullMods:[].
-Few more tweaks all round.
Nothing major, but it should be a bit more consistent and correct now.
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Niceeee 8) hey! And what about big nasty cap ship for JT's?
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Niceeee 8) hey! And what about big nasty cap ship for JT's?
What about it, do you know something I don't ? ;D
In all honesty I can't see me working on it any time soon ... there are just so many other things to do that don't involve sitting in front of the tablet for 6 or 7 hours dreaming up and detailing a huge new ship ... I'll keep it in mind though, for the future :)
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The sickle frigate is goddamn amazing and the flying cross one is also above average in survivability for what its fielding. I had 3 wolf frigates and 3 lashers and i would lose them all the time as i had to drop fleet size for speed but i now sold the 3 wolves and and keep the lashers as fodder because i watched a single sickle and hammer frigate actually hold their own against destroyers and cruisers.
I watched a single sickle dance with 2 pirate destroyers, 1 carrier, 1 cruiser and live. The lasher and wolf frigates seem to be crewed by idiots who like to bring their ship into a cross fire and overload their shields by ramming carriers while fighters and bombers shoot their butts. I watched a hammer frigate with its woefully inadequate half shield survive a fight with multiple LRM streams and fighters which goddamn amazed me.
I also love the scatter PD because its RoF and cone of fire is great for wiping out large swathes of missiles that get to close--i check the station continually trying to find more and i buy every single one i can. Its short range is amazing because it doesnt waste shots or get distracted and its great for overloading enemy shields that get to close.
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You have an unnecessary generators.csv in your mod. (junkpirates\data\world). Having that in there makes it conflict with the base one and screws something up, making it conflict with other mods.
So in short, next version you release delete that generators.csv file so your mod is compatible with mine and others :)
Until then if anyone wants to get this one working with my new version of TT station, you no longer need the files I posted previously - all you need is to delete that generators.csv file in the junk pirates mod and you're good to go.
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Ah okay. Thanks!
I'll do that.
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Yah I noticed that scatter PD's gained a rather large flux cost with them now, it still didn't stop the standard sickle from being a devastating close range assault frigate. I just destroyed a battlecruiser with one. I can outpower it's shield.
High flux will never offset weapon damage, because you get more for your hardpoint.
There's also another thing. People compared the cutlass with the pulse laser, but there's a destroyer with a forward battery of 3 pulse lasers, it's not THAT effective (pretty effective though). How can the cutlas be so devastating in comparison?
I've sussed it. Two factors:
1. The cutlas rotates fast, shoots fast, it's spread makes it effective at hitting anything. Huge utility.
2. The cutlas has about equal flux to damage ratio. This is a BIG point, it means if you get into a shooting war, firing a cutlas will always put you ahead. It get's worse as your flux rises and the thing does more damage.
The scatter PD has taken a step towards reasonable, it's still terrifying, but some close assault weapons are that good (though they DO use ammo)
The cutlas still kinda crazy though.
again, my opinion, but:
- clam needs buff. It's kind of hilarious as it is.
- hammer is basically perfect.
- carrier is perfect (i think)
- some sickle variants are horrifyingly deadly.
- langoustine costs too little to field. Larger ships are expensive to field, not because of their fleet cost, but because of their speed. They take a long time to really make a difference. Langoustine gets to the field fast, and changes things faster.
- the cruisers seem reasonable.
- dugong is fast
I could be wrong. *edit. Cutlas is a MEDIUM mount
Compare and contrast: Mining Blaster.
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This seems like a silly question, but is there a reason most of these ships have something silly like .3flux/damage shield ratios?
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This seems like a silly question, but is there a reason most of these ships have something silly like .3flux/damage shield ratios?
They need rebalancing. In starfarer 0.35 the shield damage was lower for all ships
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This seems like a silly question, but is there a reason most of these ships have something silly like .3flux/damage shield ratios?
They need rebalancing. In starfarer 0.35 the shield damage was lower for all ships
Oh, yeah. I totally missed this. Thanks for pointing it out. This probably helps to explain why, all other things being equal, the ships are seeming to be so survivable :-[
@Ghoti, thanks for the feedback. This is awesome.
Any thoughts about shifting the scatterpd to 'Fragmentation' damage? Would still be an amazing finisher, and better pd, but not quite the all round up-close killing machine that it is at present ... ? Would probably suit the 4 OP cost a bit better, as well, which maybe does seem low.
With the feedback, and a bit more playing around in the campaign, I'm considering nerfing the Cutlass again, probably bring the damage per shot down a few points, make it less useful slightly against armor, while still keeping the OP cost.
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Wait, don't rebalance the shields! In my opinion, this makes them on-par with other craft. The frigates tend to die quickly otherwise, as all the JP weapons have high flux cost, and the JP ships tend to overload fast. The shield efficiency is something that makes the ships unique, and I always thought that it was due to having some secret design for better shields or something similarly valuable that allowed the faction to survive.
On another note, I LOVE the Hammer. The inward-angled front hardpoints are COOL, because they limit you from mounting longer-range weapons like Autocannons. The medium missile mounts did kind of bug me, because the medium-sized missile options are not really suited to use against smaller craft (Pilum or Typhoon Reaper). I found that a wondrously-effective solution was to mount Annihilators, and use the extra OP on Extended Shields and Expanded Missile Racks. This worked great in combination with mounting three Dual Light MG's in the ballistic slots. It quickly takes down fighters one at a time, and the Annihilators can be used against practically anything! Combine with Augmented Engines, and you could hunt down faster craft, and tear them to pieces with rockets once the MG's downed their engines.
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fragmentation damage would make sense. I forget the formulas, but it's like 25% nerf to everything except hull? That would bring it down to about 125 dps.
Compare: Vulcan cannon.
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Much agreed, changing the Scatter PD to frag damage would really balance it.
Also, Junk Pirates being what they are, might we see a melee weapon or two on their ships? Or a melee fighter? If it did exist, I presume that it would be kinetic damage.
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Much agreed, changing the Scatter PD to frag damage would really balance it.
Also, Junk Pirates being what they are, might we see a melee weapon or two on their ships? Or a melee fighter? If it did exist, I presume that it would be kinetic damage.
giant red axe flying around ???
(jk dont hate)
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Actually, it would be cool to see a smaller ship that has a high mass and high speed. It would have low OP's, and a good shield. I am thinking a modification of the Clam, like with barely any weaponry but powerful engines. And yeah, I could see it being the Axe-Class Melee Frigate.
Not kidding, what do people think of this? Mendonca?
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It will need a heavily armored prow like a beak for ramming.
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I think the light excimer is a bit overpowered, respect to the burst pd laser the only drawback is 100 less range. But has more dps, is more flux efficient and cost 2 op less
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Langoustine has a shield damage of 0.3, only hyperion and omen are below 0.6
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Thank you, Apophis.
I missed that one on the Langoustine, I was sure I had bumped that back in line.
And yeah, the Excimer wasn't meant to be that good. I'm having a play with it now.
E: 104 - Langoustine shield error now fixed, excimer received a significant flux penalty, plus a slight damage nerf.
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You added the generators.csv again.
Had me wondering why on earth someone couldn't get your mod to work with mine suddenly, until I downloaded your latest version and saw that. ::)
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Well that wasn't very clever of me, was it :-[
Uploaded one that doesn't have it in .... apologies ...
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Okay, looks like I have to rescue the thread, because a week without posts is a long time on the internet ;)
So, does anyone have any comments about existing ships? Any recommendations for new ships? (By the way, I am still hoping/waiting for some feedback about the idea of a JP melee frigate!)
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any word on whether or not this works for .51? well im about to find out ill post here if it still works without any editing ( alex said SOME mods would)
edit: nope doesn't work. sectorgen. something or something breaks on start. i know its junk pirates because when i disabled it it worked.
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Yeah, I am using the sectorgen.java overwrite thingy, which breaks compatibility with other mods.
I need to change it, I'm aware ... hopefully I'll get a chance sooner rather than later.
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Yeah, I am using the sectorgen.java overwrite thingy, which breaks compatibility with other mods.
I need to change it, I'm aware ... hopefully I'll get a chance sooner rather than later.
And that chance was taken!
Updated to 1.05.
This update has just updated the structure of the mod, so it can be used in conjunction with other mods (so long as those mods also obey the rules), but there has been no other content.
This adds a planet Corvus VI, so might be a bit odd also if used in conjunction with any other mods which might want to use Corvus VI.
Tested with Gunrunners mod, seems to work okay, let me know if there are any issues.
---o LINK HERE! o--- (http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates%20105.rar) (or check OP)
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Just have to say that I really love this mod. Beautiful, original, sprites along with great balance - no super ships that are a lot better than the other SF ships. Thanks for a great mod man!
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Aw shucks. Thanks for the nice words, I appreciate it! ;D
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Work in progress of a new ship:
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/scythe.png)
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/scythe_2.png)
It turned out a little smaller than I set out, but I'll have a play and get it in the game and see how it goes.
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Is that a frigate or a destroyer?
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A destroyer, I suppose ...
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A destroyer, I suppose ...
And would ypu mind how the junkies got such a high tech piece of equipment? Did they salvage tritach ships or? ;D
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It's not actually that high tech, most of it is recycled soup tins.
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Soup tins....... I expected the junk pirates R&D department to come up with some groundbreaking ship designs but soup tins......
But will they get better?
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Soup tins are actually very hard, especially if you are hit in the head with an unopened one.
...back to reality. The new design looks spectacular man, keep the goodness coming, I wonder how will it handle in game...
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this mod and mendonca seem to have a strange obsession with soup. ANYWAY onto the real reason im posting this, i have been thinking about it and it bugs me how crap the quality of my spotlight for this mod was i was CLEARLY distracted by something for the majority of the video i can't even remember what it was. So i'd like to redo that and i guarantee it will be a higher quality review. especially since campaign is in now i can actually prepare a fleet with one of each of the ships so i can demo it and each ship better.
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i dont get a zipped file...i get a rar and windows 7 acts diffrently
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i dont get a zipped file...i get a rar and windows 7 acts diffrently
You'll need a de-compression tool compatible with the 'rar' format.
I use winrar (http://www.rarlab.com), but I am led to believe 7-zip (http://www.7-zip.org/) also works.
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Aw yeah Mendonca! Thank you so much for taking the time to use my idea for a ship! Now, to be even more demanding, the Junk Pirates could really use another cruiser.
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Aw yeah Mendonca! Thank you so much for taking the time to use my idea for a ship! Now, to be even more demanding, the Junk Pirates could really use another cruiser.
Honestly ... You people ... :D
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/cruiser.png)
(WIP... Of course ...)
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Beautifully, is it mod?
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I kind of wanted to add a mission for the Goat and the Scythe, but I think I'll do a release anyway without these.
If you want to play with either, the TEST mission should be set up to have a Standard load-out Goat and an Assault Scythe.
Thanks to catattack for coming up with the general design of the Scythe, I'm sorry it ended up as a freighter rather than the murderous cruiser I think it was intended to be ... I'm going to put that one down to the engineering liberties taken by the King.
These two ships are balanced off the Hammerhead and the Apogee accordingly.
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_scythe.png)
The Scythe carries some hangar space and some cargo room, so could be a decent member of a fleet, but it is pretty lightweight (although fast) and can be dangerous in the hands of the player with two medium ballistic mounts, two small ballistic and two small missiles. Kinetic weapons and some Harpoons or Annihilators should make you fairly dangerous against most things. It has an Omni shield, linked to low flux reserves but a good vent rate (and generally low flux requirements anyway).
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_goat.png)
The Goat is similar in armament and speed to the Apogee - with a bit more armour and less crew / cargo / hangar space etc. It can field a shard and a spike wing for escort duty, so it still does okay. The energy-intensive loadout can make flux management an issue, although the systems are fairly advanced and the Goat has a few OPs to play with to make a layout that works for all types of Captain. The positioning of the weaponry is a little bit sub-optimal, but isn't that part of the fun? Frontal shield covers the majority of the ship (300 deg. or so), but limited point defences towards the rear can mean you might require those escort ships. Carries a large energy turret, which suits those sissy Captains that favour (and own) the Tachyon Lance (although you are unlikely to meet a Goat in Corvus that is carrying one).
1.15 released
-Goat Cruiser added
-Scythe Destroyer added
-All mothballed ships changed to hull only
-Octopus mounts now respect correct slot sizes (typhoon in small slot ...)
-Tweaks here and there ...
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as beautiful as always mendonca. can't wait for more...
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Mendonca, you are a pro, sir 8) good mod here :) (check mine out too ;D ;D)
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Thanks guys :)
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Thanks guys :)
Our pleasure really, since there are not many mods for this game yet, and the mods that exist really are over-the-top form what i've seen with other games. Though i'd like to hear anyones opinion on the mods in general :D
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Good job! Absolutely love the Goat design.
Will update my mod with this, if it don't bother you is it possible to know which files were modified? (like Junkpiratesspawpoint.java, JPsectorgen.java, junk_pirates.java or single ship files..)
Thanks in advance
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Good job! Absolutely love the Goat design.
Will update my mod with this, if it don't bother you is it possible to know which files were modified? (like Junkpiratesspawpoint.java, JPsectorgen.java, junk_pirates.java or single ship files..)
Thanks in advance
;)
PM Sent ... ! :)
Hopefully I've picked everything up ...
Thanks for including my mod!
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Sensei RESPECT 8)
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Sensei RESPECT 8)
Sensei? Have i missed something ???
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Good job! Absolutely love the Goat design.
Will update my mod with this, if it don't bother you is it possible to know which files were modified? (like Junkpiratesspawpoint.java, JPsectorgen.java, junk_pirates.java or single ship files..)
Thanks in advance
;)
PM Sent ... ! :)
Hopefully I've picked everything up ...
Thanks for including my mod!
Just updated the mod with JP 1.15 and Lotus 0.8
Nice stuff!
Keep up the good work!
;)
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The positioning of the weaponry is a little bit sub-optimal, but isn't that part of the fun?
Hahahaha! So true!
Mendonca, I can't thank you enough for responding to my ideas, and I absolutely LOVE the new ships. Also, now that you mention the Scythe is a freighter, I realize the Junk Pirates were really in need of one!
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Sensei? Have i missed something ???
Well... Yes ;D
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Wow! This thread has the third most views (by about 800) of any post on this forum, and the most of any post on here not an announcement!
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Having a great time playing with this mod along with the extra weapons mod. Seriously good work!
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Having a great time playing with this mod along with the extra weapons mod. Seriously good work!
It's always cool to hear people enjoying this! :)
New version uploaded:
New mission - The Culmination (with the Goat / Scythe)
Strings tweaked, and added for Goat / Scythe
Main reason for update was to test out Aeolun's mod site, thought I may as well make it as current as possible.
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download link is dead
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download link is dead
Sorry guys, mixing up my filehosters :/
Should be fixed now ...
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/Just a random question here, but is that you on the profile pic? If so, why do you have a parrot, this isin't the 17th century.........
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I love this mod... Dugong is da best
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/Just a random question here, but is that you on the profile pic? If so, why do you have a parrot, this isin't the 17th century.........
It landed on my shoulder at the exact time the camera went off. Pretty weird, really.
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Hey Mendonca, how're you doing? Had time to put together anything for a 0.52a update?
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Aw man, it has been so long. Mendonca, I don't want this to die! This mod has the best art anywhere! Anyone with me?
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Aw man, it has been so long. Mendonca, I don't want this to die! This mod has the best art anywhere! Anyone with me?
Thanks dude! :)
And it's not dead, but I'm not sure the faction needs more ships yet. Maybe when we have multiple systems, but in the meantime I don't think I will be adding more content to this mod.
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Maybe an tiny miny cap ship, a real cap ship, just 1. Tiny... miny... One... Orca is like cruiser... Just one... ? Pretty please?
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Maybe an tiny miny cap ship, a real cap ship, just 1. Tiny... miny... One... Orca is like cruiser... Just one... ? Pretty please?
Let's see ...
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_kraken.png)
(WIP - still got a long way to go :D)
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Hmmm. Nice design, I like it :D
Though, to be honest, that one Looks more light-weight than the orca :-\
I hope it won't be :)
EDIT: my phone can't spell.
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That look really sweet, but more mounts!!!
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haha very cool, and very beastly looking cap ship! Does it also have carrier capabilities? I would prefer it filling a role like the conquest or similar. Looking forward to seeing it finished man.
Have you btw thought of more OCTOPUS styled ships? One of the things I love about your mod is the diversity you pull off.
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haha very cool, and very beastly looking cap ship! Does it also have carrier capabilities? I would prefer it filling a role like the conquest or similar. Looking forward to seeing it finished man.
It probably won't get carrier capability, no. Something like the conquest is about right, in terms of the rest of the fleet.
It does need more mounts, but I'm not sure where they are gonna go. Probably just get a prototype in and have a play.
Have you btw thought of more OCTOPUS styled ships? One of the things I love about your mod is the diversity you pull off.
Thanks! Diversity was always one of the key goals. I've tried to make every ship have a distinct role, which is why I am trying not to overdo things with lots of similar ships. To be fair this one is done mainly for fun, but hopefully it will work out ok! :)
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SENSEIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_kraken.png)(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_kraken_mounts.png)
I think I've got a fixed configuration now, or at least it is getting there.
Three fixed forward medium missile mounts, a selection of ballistic mounts (on red hull) and energy mounts (on blue hull) around about 250 OPs worth of ordnance.
I'll probably get a little test thing up later today, with a little mission to test it out. I suspect it will need a bit of balance though before its finalised - I don't really use cap-ships too much so I couldn't say whether it 'works' too well.
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A think that 250 is lower OP value. Your ship OP is between 245 and 290. It's military ship so it should be between 270 i 290. I would go for 280 :)
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(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_kraark.png)
the Kraark
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates_nekken.png)
the Nekken
Just playing about ...
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I'm I the only person on this planet that favors asymmetrical stuff to symmetrical? :D
BTW, mendonca, great job on the sprites. I'm really impressed with how you push out this great looking sprites, they feel very original and refreshing (the asymmetrical one! xD).
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I'm I the only person on this planet that favors asymmetrical stuff to symmetrical? :D
BTW, mendonca, great job on the sprites. I'm really impressed with how you push out this great looking sprites, they feel very original and refreshing (the asymmetrical one! xD).
No way man, I don't know if you've noticed, but I prefer the asymmetrical ones. I find it difficult drawing symmetrical ones, as I was brought up to believe they are unethical ;). And thanks!
I'm posting a 1.20 version of this mod (http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/junk_pirates 120.rar), now with the Kraken involved somewhere. There is a 'test mission' where you can try it out against a basic Hegemony fleet, or take it for a spin in the simulator. There are a 'Standard' and a 'CS' version available, with slightly different loadouts, all built around 280 OPs.
I've noticed the file is a bit bloated by some layered .PDN files. If anybody cares a jot about how I drew the thing you see before you, you can grab it there.
It would be cool if anybody has the time to play around and give feedback on it, but whatever, in the meantime I'll look at giving it a mission and some campaign integration.
e:
Toe to toe with an Onslaught:
(http://www.zen102301.zen.co.uk/starfarer/junkpirates/toetotoe.png)
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Thought you might like to see what i made using bits and pieces from some of your sprites.
I call it the Humboldt.
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Well done as always!
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I've noticed the file is a bit bloated by some layered .PDN files. If anybody cares a jot about how I drew the thing you see before you, you can grab it there.
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Absorbing process completed. ;D Processing data ;D
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Thought you might like to see what i made using bits and pieces from some of your sprites.
I call it the Humboldt.
Nicely done! That's really cool! :)
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Thought you might like to see what i made using bits and pieces from some of your sprites.
I call it the Humboldt.
Nicely done! That's really cool! :)
Thank you, its actually my very first time doing something like that.
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Not sure why it has taken me this long, but the Kraken is now floating about in the campaign.
Try it out! :) (see op)
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Hello,
Thanks for your great looking faction!
I feel the Orca freighter is over weaponized. This is a freighter, but with the armaments of what, an heavy cruiser? Are you using BalanceSuite5000 and how it fares?
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Hello,
Thanks for your great looking faction!
I feel the Orca freighter is over weaponized. This is a freighter, but with the armaments of what, an heavy cruiser? Are you using BalanceSuite5000 and how it fares?
The orca is not a freighter, but it is in fact a small battleship/combat carrier, and is designed around that, with matching weapons. :)
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Hello,
Thanks for your great looking faction!
I feel the Orca freighter is over weaponized. This is a freighter, but with the armaments of what, an heavy cruiser? Are you using BalanceSuite5000 and how it fares?
Hi there, thanks for comments and the compliment!
and yeah, as Upgradecap says, the Orca is supposed to be highly weaponized, and you'll notice it sits in with the 'Capital' class ships (unless I remembered to shift it in to 'Cruiser' with the latest version ...). It was supposed to be a combat capable carrier, by design, and almost a miniature capital ship.
It is supposed to be balanced, and actually sits okay in terms of the last time I checked it against the BalanceSuite, and Apophis' codex puts it pretty weak in terms of balance (which is okay, as it has decks, cargo, personnel capacity etc.).
Checking again, it is carrying only 10 OP more than the Eagle (which is 2 FP less) and 30 OP less than the dominator (which is 1 OP less). The Orca is also significantly less durable than the Eagle. I don't know really, it's a tough balancing act, and maybe it could do with a few less OP to balance it a bit, but it doesn't seem that far off to me. I'll think about it though...
Have you experienced it being quite a tough cookie, in battle? In my experience I find it a bit of a liability, but maybe that's just the way I play :)
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Big OOOOOPS. Forget about the Orca. I meant the Octopus... So let's resume the discussion on this ship...
In my hands (perhaps not in the AI's hands, but then the AI has no hand, so no hand no chocolate, oops I digress :) ) ... what I was saying... yes, in my hands the Orca Octopus is just an awesome toy. It is cited as a freighter, but have these following attributes:
a) transport a lot of cargo and fuel. Ok, that's a freighter.
b) has a hangar size of 20. Now, that seems a lot, check the other ships, the carriers of other races have that, not much more. In essence, it has the hangar size of an escort carrier, close to a fleet carrier.
c) 1 large missile slot. This is the abuse I believe. LARGE, really, for a freighter? This seems very weaponized to me. Check the other ships of your faction at the destroyer level, even them don't have a large slot... I would remove it entirely, and even without, it would have more weapons than any other freighter, and on par with most of the others combat destroyers of other fleets.
Check in comparison the weapons of a condor light carrier or a walkyrie troop transport. Your Octopus is uber weaponized I believe. At least, remove the large mount, that should be reserved for military ships I think...
While I'm there, I humbly request to be able to use your faction in my total conversion mod, where the Junk Pirates would be used by the PRC instead (People Republic of China). For that, I would also need to rename the ship classes, but I would leave the weapons and weapons mounts untouched. The look of your faction would fit quite well what I have in mind for the PRC, so please? You would get full credits in the readme, sure.
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Big OOOOOPS. Forget about the Orca. I meant the Octopus... So let's resume the discussion on this ship...
a) transport a lot of cargo and fuel.
b) has a hangar size of 20.
c) 1 large missile slot.
Aaaah ... yeah, the Octopus.
When you put it like that, I had to go and check. Indeed the Octopus does have a Large missile slot. I thought it was medium ...
These are all very valid points, and I will think about how I balance this back down. I was always kind of assuming that due to the AI Octopi exploding on a regular basis, the combat capability of the craft was suitably low, not quite appreciating that this was down to a sub-optimal variant more than the actual physical balance of the hull. Thanks for bringing it to my attention!
While I'm there, I humbly request to be able to use your faction in my total conversion mod, where the Junk Pirates would be used by the PRC instead (People Republic of China). For that, I would also need to rename the ship classes, but I would leave the weapons and weapons mounts untouched. The look of your faction would fit quite well what I have in mind for the PRC, so please? You would get full credits in the readme, sure.
This sounds cool, and in principle I would be very interested to see these ships in another mod with a different flavour!
So I will say, yes! :) Go for it (I don't see a problem with it being part of another total conversion). Also, if you are doing this as part of a total conversion, and you are renaming the ships etc., feel free to play about with the ship builds, if you feel it is necessary for what you are trying to achieve.
Without wanting to sound like a twerp, I hope you don't mind if I withhold the right to withdraw this permission (as I haven't seen what you are trying to do with your mod yet - I'm sure I won't have an issue with it when I see it, but I hope you understand where I am coming from).
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Hiya. I just started playing as JP in Uomoz's Corvus mod. I started with the sickle, and I realized the Standard loadout has advanced optics. You might not know this (I know I didn't until I tried this out) but advanced optics only affects beam weapons, not energy ones. So, tactical lasers are affected but say, pulse lasers and Cutlasses are not.
The Standard Sickle has two Scatter PD lasers and a Cutlass, as well as Advanced Optics, which ends up being a waste of 5 op. Might want to rethink some of the loadouts. :P
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Hiya. I just started playing as JP in Uomoz's Corvus mod. I started with the sickle, and I realized the Standard loadout has advanced optics. You might not know this (I know I didn't until I tried this out) but advanced optics only affects beam weapons, not energy ones. So, tactical lasers are affected but say, pulse lasers and Cutlasses are not.
The Standard Sickle has two Scatter PD lasers and a Cutlass, as well as Advanced Optics, which ends up being a waste of 5 op. Might want to rethink some of the loadouts. :P
Good point! And thanks for raising it ... I've had a pass through all the ship variants, and nerfed the Octopus.
1.22 available from the OP.
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I'm liking the faction far more than I initially thought I would. As I fought them from an IF perspective they were little more than cannon fodder, but playing them is quite rewarding. They have an awesome feel to them. I love capturing enemy ships and refitting them with a schizophrenic loadout, adding to that junky feel of my fleet.
Other than some balance issues (why is the Dugong so expensive?) my biggest complaint would be the ships are just... too colorful. They have this ugly maroon/dark turquoise color to all their ships with the occasional baby blue. Maybe it's just me being a dullard, but I'd much rather see them more grey, brown and rusty than so... colorful. @_@
Gotta admit, the color scheme was what made me lukewarm towards the faction when I started playing. Other than that I like the ships. The Goat is my favorite so far. Oh, and the sprites themselves look very nice, though some of them look too... organic. But again, all personal taste.
Oh, and for some reason I get a SPAZ vibe from the ships, though I can't actually recall what most of those ships looked like.
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Ha ha! Yeah, I can't say I've ever been particularly good with colours, this actually reflects one of my better artistic endeavours, with respect to the use of colour. The honesty is much appreciated.
I put the Dugong relatively high because of it's excellent fire support options, a large missile mount on a cruiser supplemented with three mediums is 'top of the range', and it also has a decent assault capabilty with a low crew overhead. I just think it's pretty good, and didn't want to offer it too cheap :)
E: of course, I'm very glad you're enjoying it. This makes me happy :)
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:D
New ships!
I like the progress you've made, and it seems that a few of your original ships got some touchups too. Or am I just imagining that? :D
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Or am I just imagining that? :D
No, depending on when you last looked at them, the Orca, Sickle, Hammer and Octopus in particular have been tweaked a few times ... If I had the time, most of them would get another few passes of touching up aswell ... :)
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Ok, I thought so!
Particularly noticeable on the sickle and hammer.
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Ok, I thought so!
Particularly noticeable on the sickle and hammer.
Well greetings, comrade!
By the way, another minor complaint. The Spikes seem far too fragile to be 6 FP, I would think they'd be competitive with the Broadswords but they don't have the firepower to match up and iirc they don't have much else going for them. Cleats are nice, though.
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Damn. This new version has thrown a massive curveball in to the balance equation.
Just having a play about with systems before I get this thing updated, and working on something else:
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_phase_destroyer_v2.png)
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Damn. This new version has thrown a massive curveball in to the balance equation.
Just having a play about with systems before I get this thing updated, and working on something else:
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_phase_destroyer_v2.png)
Oh yes. Those phasing ships are doing quite a number on my poor Ante's. Nice new ship though. It looks like an organ holding on to several parts. It also reminds me of an octopus, thanks to those squid like arms and that lobe at the bottom.
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Damn. This new version has thrown a massive curveball in to the balance equation.
Just having a play about with systems before I get this thing updated, and working on something else:
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_phase_destroyer_v2.png)
Yeah it has. Guess I was slightly lucky in that I had less to work with. Still, your mod is one my favourites I'm eagerly awaiting the next release. Also, JP phase destroyers(?), hehehe. Excelleeent.
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I've updated to v1.30.
- New ship - the Turbot (Phase Destroyer)
- New system - Phase Drones
- Systems added to existing ships:
sickle - burn drive (point capper extraordinaire)
clam - fortress shield
hammer - fast missile racks
Boxer / Boxenstein - jets
Octopus - midline pd drones
Orca - hi-tech pd drones
Stoat (A&B) - burn drive
Langoustine / Kraken - HEF
Scythe - Flares
Goat - sensor drones
Turbot - phase drones
-Turbot variants added to campaign fleets, and a mothballed hull available at Junk Yard
-Turbot available for test drive in 'Test Mission' (also in corresponding refit / simulator)
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I really enjoy this mod, the ships have a lot of personality and are a ton a fun to pilot, kill, and be killed by!
Also, the sprites are fantastic!
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I really enjoy this mod, the ships have a lot of personality and are a ton a fun to pilot, kill, and be killed by!
Also, the sprites are fantastic!
You are far too kind, of course! :D
(Thanks!)
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I recognize a chunk of the Valkyrie on that phase ship
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actually I see a lot of familiar chunks on it... damn i've been kitbashing this game far too much
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_turbot.png)
Well, there were a couple of spare Tarsus and Valkyrie hulls kicking about, it didn't make sense to build it all from scratch. At least we went to the trouble of giving it a lick of paint.
Although that's mainly because we have about 3 decades stock of blue and red paint to get through that we found on a decompressed Venture floating somewhere around Kapteyn's Star.
Our engineers are not proud people, but they ARE pretty smug about getting remote phasing technology working.
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it would be cool if you replaced the phase modules with cargo bays, some hangar space, and a flight deck
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Clams have gotten more annoying than ever but in an entirely good way, they do an incredible job of taking on ships with energy weapons and just generally outlasting their opponents.
EDIT: Also pretty glad you never got around to changing the name of the mod, nothing wrong with being junky if you do it with style.
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what happened to the fighters bigger gun..now all it has is a machine gun and it seems they can barely do anything now...and at 3 at a squadron
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i think this mod needs more fighters
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That phase ship. That accursed pile of incredibly effective scrap.
It is absolutely brutal in the best way possible. The A.I. handles it well, and it really does change the course of the battle. I have to play much smarter than the typical "Guns Blazing" approach now.
Awesome job in actually making me think about how to tackle a ship for once. It's a foreign feeling to me. :D
Cheers!
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what happened to the fighters bigger gun..now all it has is a machine gun and it seems they can barely do anything now...and at 3 at a squadron
I'm not sure I know what you mean? The Spike still should have a Light Dual AC and a Vulcan ...
That phase ship.
Ha ha! I'm happy that you are struggling! :D
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In trying to get to the bottom of any strangeness in my mod apparently crashing U's C, I've been spending a small amount of time tweaking things.
I've confirmed, as best I can, that the Clam can successfully use Fortress Shield (watching it flicker on and off for an AI piloted clam under 'player' control) and also got Turbot phase drones deploying by allowing them to 'free roam'.
I've also added a nice weapon which I think fits the mood - a 'grapeshot' launcher. It fires a canister of shrapnel which is explosively discharged in the direction of an enemy fleet. Works great against talons and unarmoured folk, and can do a decent job of overwhelming shields.
It's a medium mount currently, although having hacked together the MIRV with the Harpoon medium mount, it maybe comes out a bit big. I'd appreciate some balance comments if anyone had a chance to have a play, I have set the ammo quite low deliberately to limit the thing being 'spammed' - but it seems quite effective. It might be a touch OP - but then it is completely negated by decent shields.
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I'll replace all JP content in U'sC with fresh files, just to get sure it's not all a copying error on my part.
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at org.lwjgl.util.vector.Vector2f.sub(Vector2f.java:208)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.systems.String.Ø00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.systems.String.ØÒO000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.systems.String.int.new(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.systems.OOoO.öÒ0000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.entities.Ship.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.F.ÔÓÓ000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.A.oOOO.new(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.D.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$2.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
I am running several other mods, but I'd seen people having a similar issue so I thought it might be worth mentioning.
Saw this in the U'sC thread and looked into it. This could happen when the EMP Emitter is activated and targets a ship that has an engine or weapon slot outside its shield radius, *and* the shield is a full 360 degrees. (If the shield is less than that, it'd still crash, but in a different place). Changed core code to make this not crash - though it's technically still a data error.
No telling whether the offending ship is Junk Pirates related.
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Hey, thanks Alex. To be fair, that sounds pretty much like it could be Clam related.
I'll nudge the shield out a bit to try and avoid this.
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Ah yeah, that thing always did have a very tight shield. The phase ship looks awesome, btw.
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Ah yeah, that thing always did have a very tight shield. The phase ship looks awesome, btw.
Thanks, man! :)
I've done a few tweaks again, enlarged the shield on the clam and tested it against a Shade, so it seems to be getting EMP'd properly.
Also picked up a few things from 1.31 that slipped through due to my awful version control ... :-[ (I really need to get my dropbox synced up)
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Hardly worth a bump, but I've added in small, medium and large versions of the (tweaked) grapeshot - I couldn't resist.
A Hammer destroying some Talons:
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/grape_01.jpg)
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/grape_02.jpg)
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/grape_03.jpg)
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Yay! I did something useful!
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Will update U'sC with this cool stuff as soon as Ante gets updated with convoys. :D
EDIT:
Noticed a small thing some time ago that bugs me a little. There seems to be a slight offset between the weapons and the ship sprites (maybe due to the fact that they were made without ship editor?). I can fix it in half an hour time with Trylobot tool and send you the updated files if you wish!
(http://i.imgur.com/Q1OOV.png)
(like the gun on the right)
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... I can fix it in half an hour time with Trylobot tool and send you the updated files if you wish!
(like the gun on the right)
Thanks for the offer! :) ( and for pointing that out )
I've went through them anyway and updated them - most of the pre-Trylobot ships were a bit off in some way with the weapon positions, but now all turrets are centred - hopefully I've picked the issues up.
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.. most of the pre-Trylobot ships were ..
I am officially an epoch.
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I am officially an epoch.
Epic quote is epic ;D ;D ;D
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I am officially an epoch.
+1
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Has anyone else noticed a change in how easy these ships are to overload now? I remember them being pretty tough, but with just a couple of light needlers I can have half their fleet disabled in no time. When I pilot them they are fine, but give it to the AI and they seem to overload in a matter of seconds.
Never mind, sounds like you have figured out the problem and are getting it sorted.
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mendonca! I summon thy! Try open the codex and check the Turbot stats in vanilla JP.
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OM NOM NOM NOM NOM'D
Found the error,
we left out a column in the ship_data.csv
it's the column right after shield type,
so right now it's
SHIELD TYPE | SHIELD ARC
when it should be
SHIELD TYPE | DEFENSE ID | SHIELD ARC
PHASE phasecloak
Edit: on the offchance I'm wrong, I'll eat my words :D
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Nice one Flashfrozen - great spot - and I don't think you will need to be eating any of your own words, that sorted it.
E:
New fixed version up.
Aslo quite a bit of tidying up of variants, setting autofire preferences etc. and making some of the weird ones look a little bit more sensible (the langoustine was cheating with it's universal medium slot, in some cases).
Also the Langoustine and the Orca have finally found a use for those silly appendages (Yay built in weapons!)
Hope I haven't ruined something else now! :D
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scythe still awesome check
hammer still terrible check
awesome art style check
everything checks out here
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scythe still awesome check
hammer still terrible check
awesome art style check
everything checks out here
;D
I had a crushing feeling of inferiority after seeing the excellent standard of all-round design starting to creep in to the place (I'm looking at you, Cycerin >:() and so I had to apply a bit of polish to the Fleet Graphics for these guys in the OP.
I like the style but I'm contemplating a few little tweaks - and I haven't got the 'civilian' ships in yet.
Would be cool to get some feed(http://)back?
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I have been summoned, bringing smugness to fill the smugvoid created by invoking my name.
Seriously though, I love what you're doing here. Especially enjoyed all the tongue-in-cheek humor in the new descriptions. I think your Dugong is the most memorable design, that diagonal O'Neill Cylinder-esque thing is a great touch. Going to come back with a trip report when I've actually played the mod.
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I want a bigger awsomer scythe fast lots of pd lots of cargo lots of hangers and still goes head to head with everything else
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I want a bigger awsomer scythe fast lots of pd lots of cargo lots of hangers and still goes head to head with everything else
Whacked up a concept, just for kicks and it's Friday afternoon and I refuse to do any more work today. It's not quite in brief ... but ...
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_construction.png)
I'm thinking of a large construction vessel, with a big built-in welding laser sticking out the front. Lots of drones being constantly manufactured to provide PD support, maybe even more active defense, and a flight deck plus cargo.
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So, the Turbot is now my favourite ship to fly around in. Grapeshot launcher (M), Heavy Blaster, Augmented Engines and Expanded Missile Racks, 10 Caps/11 Vents. Can stay phased forever, the drones on Free Roam are really effective and good at tackling, and 170 top speed means you can make a run at an enemy, phase out and coast at them with way more speed than you'd expect from a ship its size.
Also, the addition of Ship Systems really helped out the Junk Pirates faction a lot. Scythes aren't as squishy, Clams are frustrating to fight (actually take a lot of fire to kill), and just overall they are a more credible threat.
The capital ships are still a bit weak, and the Kraken is dead in the water against a Wolf with a Phase Beam and the Optics Hull Mod, even with Resistant Flux Conduits. Have you thought of changing out its mods for Omni shields? I think that'd benefit it greatly, more so with its huge back door and very little weapons coverage there at Medium-Long range.
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"hey look cargo ship wait those drone wont die missles dont work this couldnt get worse aahhhh giant blowtorch"
lets call it the REAPER
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Sprite heavily work in progress (lots more colouring / texturing to do) but it's coming together:
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/the_reaper.png)
At present it is a very effective 'back field' carrier due to the TNT drones. These have a light assault gun, but are also supported by their own pair of Welding Drones with Burst PDs. When the drones are out, thats 4 lightag's and 8 burstpd's in a field around the ship. There are a few turreted weapon mounts, typically mounting more PD such as flak cannons, but that's about it - apart from the STYGIAN DRILL, which is acting as a massive graviton beam at the minute. But I need to figure out whether it works quite right.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/stygian_drill.png)
This ship was designed to sit in front of big rocks and blow the devil out of it with the HE weaponry of the drones, cut things in half with the Drill, or fix things with the welding drones. It has a fixed frontal shield, and the onboard factory allows it to repair fighter craft out in the field or replenish the fog of drones.
It's okay as currently prototyped, and could be an awesome fleet carrier, but it just isn't that fun to play with. The drill is great at pinning people down from huge ranges, but it can't cut through and do any real damage. I could buff damage but it might end up being well OP.
The lack of any further weaponry, apart from the drones, means it is a bit limp against cruisers and above - and there are no real tactical choices apart from 'stick the drill to them' but it can beat most Cruisers due to the range of the drill alone.
Hmmm ... I like the concept, but implementation is not quite right. I wonder what to do ...
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It could use 2 or 3 small mounts just my thaughts do what you think fits
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It could use 2 or 3 small mounts just my thaughts do what you think fits
I might take you up on that suggestion.
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(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_splinter.png)
The Splinter - a new fighter available at your nearest arms dealer.
Equipped with a deadly combination of two Vulcan cannons on the highly aerodynamic* wings and a light dual machine gun upfront, you will be the envy of all your friends. And your enemies will wish they were your friends. Even if that means being envious of you.
*not suitable for use in atmospheric conditions
(https://dl.dropbox.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_the_reaper.png)
The Reaper - for when a Venture just doesn't say 'Rugged Enough'.
When you crossed over the river Styx at the end of your previous life, after being sucked out the airlock of a decompressing Buffalo, you don't remember it being THIS AWESOME.
The Stygian Drill at the front of this thing is the perfect weapon for cutting asteroids in half. Unfortunately, it struggles slightly against anything more mobile. Might be better relying on your Drone subsystem, or perhaps a support wing of fighters taking advantage of the onboard flight deck.
(released 1.40 - see OP)
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You know. I just keep looking at it. It can't possibly be
is that a STAIRCASE?
IN SPACE?
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You know. I just keep looking at it. It can't possibly be
is that a STAIRCASE?
IN SPACE?
I ... err ... I suppose it is?
;D
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is that a STAIRCASE?
IN SPACE?
Thanks, now I will never be able to unsee that.
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You know. I just keep looking at it. It can't possibly be
is that a STAIRCASE?
IN SPACE?
I ... err ... I suppose it is?
;D
O_o
I have to admit i would have never come up with that idea ;)
you mendonaca are the master of creativity!
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Add lights and bigger engines.
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and more staircases.
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I've been through the mod, diversified fleets somewhat, brought variant OPs in line with 0.54 and also fixed the Clam and Hammer bounds.
The Clam has also received a significant top-speed nerf, to stop irritating fortress shield abuse. It's still probably irritating, but if you have it pinned down and outnumbered you get to decide how and where to engage the damn little thing.
Unfortunately no more staircases, yet.
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That Reaper is hands-down the coolest ship you've made, and that's saying something.
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That Reaper is hands-down the coolest ship you've made, and that's saying something.
Ha! Thank you! :D
Have you tried actually flying one, yet?
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Very small update. Feel free to pick it up if you are really missing the fact that the JP specific systems don't have any descriptions prior to this release.
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S'up, there's a little "bubu" on the sicle sprite nothing much,that's not a chunk of something, that 100% part of the ships hull
my worke here is done, off i go...<whoosh>
[attachment deleted by admin]
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I still think you need to have like a super junker destroyer-esqe ship
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Playing this now (with a handfull of other mods) And HOLY crap it's changed. So much new stuff! :D I like it. A lot.
Is the reaper the one with ridiculous drones and the mining laser? 'Cause that thing is straight out of my dreams. :) Haven't really piloted it much. Bought one in a non-saved play to goof off with. Need to pit it against another capital, but it is super fun so far. :D
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Playing this now (with a handfull of other mods) And HOLY crap it's changed. So much new stuff! :D I like it. A lot.
Is the reaper the one with ridiculous drones and the mining laser? 'Cause that thing is straight out of my dreams. :) Haven't really piloted it much. Bought one in a non-saved play to goof off with. Need to pit it against another capital, but it is super fun so far. :D
He he, thanks :)
Yeah, the Reaper has the drill of Styx, a kinetic energy drill that is a real heavy hitter on shields (or armor) but very unwieldy. Also the Reaper itself is anything but a combat craft - and using that big drill is just begging to get yourself overloaded.
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/sickle_perspective.png)
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Sweet man! ;D
Ok now do another one :P
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Oooh, a ramming ship? Nice.
I'd been thinking about making a very heavy ship with a gigantic bumper and burn drive capability. Does one exist yet?
I like the insane ramblings/comments on your ship sheet.
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Oooh, a ramming ship? Nice.
I'd been thinking about making a very heavy ship with a gigantic bumper and burn drive capability. Does one exist yet?
I think that my Brute Ram ship is the closest to this, also not to be a shameless ho anymore I will complement the picture :P
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Sweet man! ;D
Ok now do another one :P
Okay dude, will do! (Just give me a few days or so ...)
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Okay dude, will do! (Just give me a few days or so ...)
;D
Well, now, you do know it would be crime that you don't make all of them, right? Just take your time and do it one by one :P
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Don't kill me please, but I have to admit that I found the colour combinations you used quite disturbing.
However, in-game they actually look pretty good! Well done. Well done indeed.
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Don't kill me please, but I have to admit that I found the colour combinations you used quite disturbing.
However, in-game they actually look pretty good! Well done. Well done indeed.
Ha ha! Thanks I guess!
I have a pretty terrible eye for colours ... so I'm happy to take that criticism on board but can only suggest that I will not improve in the future.
I think it's been proven many times over that you can chuck just about any sprites in to Starsector and the game engine makes it all look great :)
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/langoustine_perspective.png)
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I can see car parts in that! Awesome. :D
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Sweeeeet ;D
Akhm,
MOAR! ;D
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Sweeeeet ;D
Akhm,
MOAR! ;D
gotyta admit, those sketches are awesome
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Damn, those drawing are neat! I hope we'll soon see some new sprites as well.
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He he, cheers guys :)
MOAR! ;D
I might regret this - but any requests for what's next?
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Release the (artsy) Kraken!
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He he, cheers guys :)
MOAR! ;D
I might regret this - but any requests for what's next?
go from weirdest to plainest, like the boxer and boxenstein looks the simplest while the dugong, the orca and the kraken look the weirdest
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i rather see a new ship sprite
& keep the best vanila balanced mod
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I might regret this - but any requests for what's next?
Nah, just make them all ;D
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Love your drawings, keep them coming.
And i would love to see a Fighter cockpit ^^
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Medonca, I like the sketches. They remind me of retro cars and hotrods making babies with stylish space shuttles.
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And i would love to see a Fighter cockpit ^^
+1, i'd like to see a Spike cockpit!
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/kraken_perspective.png)
Not sure it's done, but I need to get away from this drawing and will post anyway ...
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Kraken Klass. Something about that just tickled me. Ah, I giggled at that for much longer than I should have.
Makes me think something along the lines of "Let's make it orky!"
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(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/kraken_perspective.png)
Not sure it's done, but I need to get away from this drawing and will post anyway ...
Hahahaha he totally got this face -_-. Look on top of it ;D
Excellent drawing btw 8)
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There's a recreational vehicle sitting on top of it. :o <3
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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates160.zip
Okey dokey, think this is working for an initial 0.6a release.
- New system - Breh'inni, a little bit up from Corvus and Askonia.
Junk Pirates are present in here, but they don't do anything exciting yet. Visit the system AT YOUR PERIL!!!
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Very cool!
Looks like one of the weapons is using "burst_pd_loop", which isn't found - crashed when I moused over one of the fleets in the new system.
Also, did you do anything special to make the hyperspace entrances near all the gas giant real bright, or did they just turn out that way? Almost looks like they're doubled up - possibly some auto-created by the auto-generate-jump-points code, and some created manually in the same place.
Aha! Yeah, stuff is getting generated twice. Once in onNewGame(), once in onEnabled(). Should probably just do it in onNewGame() for now, until 0.6.1a, where the bug with onEnabled() being called on *every load* is fixed. (Ideally, though, you want to create stuff in onEnabled().)
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Clicking on " The Reaper" in the Codex (From the main menu or in game ) crashes me straight to desktop with the error message " Fatal: Spec of class [com.fs.starfarer.loading.specs.L] with id [high_intensity_laser-intro] not found. Check starsector.log for more info"
Edit: Also clicking on the " Test " mission gives the same error Alex reported
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Thanks for the reports guys :)
The perils of copy-pasting without fully understanding what the hell you are doing ...
I did take the sound ids from vanilla .wpn files, so I've obviously missed a trick somewhere with those ...
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I'm not a coder but [com.fs."Starfarer.loading.specs.L" sends up a red flag to me.
With any luck it's an easy fix :D
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On the sound ids, that was just lazy lookin'. The vanilla files DO have some unused 'loops' or 'firing' sounds for the two beams I was copying, but it's pretty obvious to the untrained eye that these have been commented out. I didn't do the same. Oops.
Commented out the OnEnabled() part of the ModPlugin, which should stop weirdness for now.
Also done a little tweaking of the variants, made the Standard Kraken a little more viable (although a broadside full of HE is fun ... it's not that scary against something with a shield ...) - also removed the vestigial energy weapon sticking out the front of the Dugong.
As well as a pretty wide-ranging detail pass to the sprites (still got the Turbot, Kraken and Reaper to do), that about sums it up. Hopefully this one does actually work now.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates161.zip
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How would one go about setting up one of the junk pirates ships as a starting ship?
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How would one go about setting up one of the junk pirates ships as a starting ship?
Create a 'plugins' directory in mods/junk_pirates/data/scripts/.
Stick this file in here:
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/CharacterCreationPluginImpl.java
And you should get the option of starting with a Standard Sickle instead of the Hound (something else option). You can fiddle with this file to change the options as necessary, or give me a shout and I'll do a custom one at your request?
You will still start in Corvus, and have normal player hostility level to the JP, however.
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I've done just enough modding to know what you mean! I could set the JP to Friendly without too much trouble.
EDIT: Thanks man! shoulda said that first.
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conduct error, may u good sir fix it :-*
14447125 [Thread-6] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.D - java.lang.RuntimeException: Ship hull [junk_pirates_dugong] variant [junk_pirates_dugong_Standard]: slot id [WS 015] not found for weapon [gravitonbeam]
java.lang.RuntimeException: Ship hull [junk_pirates_dugong] variant [junk_pirates_dugong_Standard]: slot id [WS 015] not found for weapon [gravitonbeam]
at com.fs.starfarer.loading.specs.public.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.fleet.FleetMember.instantiateForCombat(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatFleetManager.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatFleetManager.?00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatFleetManager.deploy(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatFleetManager.deployAll(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.return.???000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.oOOO.super.new(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.D.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$2.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Thread.java:619)
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Sorry sir, I thought I had made good those variants ... Apparently not!
I've just figured it out. I saved the variant down in the wrong place ... D'oh. Wondered where that came from when I deleted it ...
If you want to fix it yourself, go in to junk_pirates/data/variant/junk_pirates_dugong_Standard.variant, open it in a simple text editor and delete the following bit:
{
"autofire": false,
"mode":"LINKED",
"weapons":{
"WS 015":"gravitonbeam",
},
}
Alternatively give me a couple of hours and I'll sort it out for you ...
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Fixed!
Also done the gracious thing and reverted colour to that used in U'sC.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates161b.zip
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nice work dude~
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Backfeed! Some minor things/polish'r'uppers:
- Breh'inni IV has two jump points due to one being the gas giant jump point. Maybe you can remove the gasgiant = true line from the planets config file? Then you're left with one two-direction jump point for this planet.
- Junk Pirates listening post is 'on' its neighbouring planet. Might be on purpose. To me it looks a bit weird. At least non-vanilla. :)
- Descriptions for all your beautiful planets pretty please? *puppy eyes*
Nice job. :D
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Quick balance note:
The Shard is supposedly the preferred escort craft, but it has a PROHIBITIVE cost at 4.5 supplies per day (that's like a destroyer) and a slow repair rate so deploying these in combat costs loads.
they're reasonably tough but not exactly bulletproof, have no shield, and aren't too badly armed but aren't all that great there either. I can't really see any reason for these to be a preferred escort craft for anybody - I'd make them cheaper in supplies per day and make them quicker to replace after combat - maybe as much as 10% if they're that preferred (and assuming you don't want to reduce the CR per fighter deployed), as there'll be lots of spare parts on hand?
While I'm at it, there's only a 10 supplies-to-repair difference between the boxer and the boxenstein - perhaps add 0.5 supplies per day as well?
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Thanks for that epic but balanced starter ship. Man...I actually can take on the lowbie ships and win. This is really a refresher because most starter pirate fleets have at least one frigate and 2 fighters against our one.
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Thanks for the lovely feedback chaps.
On fighters, I am in no position to make a judgement as I haven't played with a fighter fleet at all yet. Tried to balance them against Vanilla, sounds like I misjudged that a bit. Will have a play about with the Shard - but yeah, Darloth, your suggestions sound sensible.
Been getting some Hegemony fleets in to interact with the JP System and Corvus, I'm a little short of time due to a house move, but I'll try and incorporate some changes in the next couple of weeks.
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Same as Darloth, i tried to use some JP wings for a carrier based fleet but when i saw the supply cost i was like "NOPE". But in some way, even vanilla wings are pretty much imbalanced with their gigantic supply cost.
Only the Cleat bomber with 2 supplies per day seems reasonable to me.
Btw, will the reaper class will get some kind of special capacity like the construction rig? For now it's only a big flying target, giving it some logistic abilities would make it interesting to field.
Also, will you update your sprites like you did for the Goat and the Orca? They look much nicer.
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Same as Darloth, i tried to use some JP wings for a carrier based fleet but when i saw the supply cost i was like "NOPE". But in some way, even vanilla wings are pretty much imbalanced with their gigantic supply cost.
Yeah Alex is fixing that in 0.6.1 ... for example the Wasp costs 6x as much supplies as it should. CR per deploy x fighters in wing x (total CR hit / repair-per-day) can quickly balloon to huge numbers when you're not used to the CR mechanics.
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Btw, will the reaper class will get some kind of special capacity like the construction rig? For now it's only a big flying target, giving it some logistic abilities would make it interesting to field.
Yeah, good point, it should definitely have the same (or similar) 'construction' abilities as the rig.
Also, will you update your sprites like you did for the Goat and the Orca? They look much nicer.
Yeah, definitely will in time. I'm a bit scared of taking on the Kraken, could take a long time once I have started with that one. Also should probably sink a few more hours in to the Dugong, a small amount of time for the Langoustine, maybe a quick pass over the Turbot - leaving the last major work being the Reaper itself. Oh dear. That won't be fun.
I'll get there though, and thanks, glad you appreciate the difference :)
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Hey Mendonca! I'm afraid there miiiiight be an issue with your mod, specifically the JP system.
http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=6919.msg113204#msg113204
I'm still not too sure who (if any) the culprit is for my problem. But at the very least I have to ask: why does your system have so many duplicate gravity wells and fringes?
When I approach these, it puts a fairly massive load on my GPU. This save is me up to level 15, and my frame rate slows to a crawl, presumably due to duplicate particle effects.
Here are some pictures.
Spoiler
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43800264/Pictures/ss1.png)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43800264/Pictures/ss2.png)
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/43800264/Pictures/ss3.png)
(I dunno what's with the first two screens, ignore that top part)
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Could I ask which version you are using?
The very first 0.6a version had a bug where each time you loaded a game, the system would generate, however the latest junk version has worked around this.
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Bre'hinni going supernova, have JP got their hands on some doomsday sun-killer device? ;D
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Could I ask which version you are using?
The very first 0.6a version had a bug where each time you loaded a game, the system would generate, however the latest junk version has worked around this.
Looks like it was an older one. 1.60. I'll try the newer one, thanks!
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Minor update, picking up most things people have mentioned in this thread, including better Exerelin integration. See OP
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I guess no ship value changes, or am I wrong? :D
Back to the update hell!
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Fighter supply costs have been changed, and Boxenstein supply cost nudged up a touch.
Strings csv has picked up descriptions for the planets ... And SectorGen has been tweaked to fiddle with the planets / orbits of station, and introduction of a graphical ring around breh'inni II (fighter shells in orbit).
I THINK that is about the sum of it ...
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mendonca, this crashes upon loading game in 0.6.1 because the DEFEND objective for missions doesn't exist anymore - Alex says use ATTACK.
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Thank you, Taverius. Should get five minutes tomorrow night to bash out a quick fix :)
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Done and updated (see OP), let me know if there are any further issues :)
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Hey, just wanted to say that I absolutely LOVE this faction.
Clam, hammer, boxerstein and dugong are absolutely great. Haven't tried orca or kraken yet.
Keep it up! :) I really like ballistic weapons, armor and missiles.
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Hey, just wanted to say that I absolutely LOVE this faction.
Clam, hammer, boxerstein and dugong are absolutely great. Haven't tried orca or kraken yet.
Keep it up! :) I really like ballistic weapons, armor and missiles.
:D
You're my new favourite person :)
Do let me know if you have any useful feedback, always happy to hear people's thoughts.
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Hello mendonca,
One of my favorite JP ships the 'Langoustine' doesn't seem to have it's Scorpion built-in specified quite right; it is absent from the codex and is not added to the default "_hull" variant when spawning at stations.
To fix, I think you'll need to add the following in junk_pirates_langoustine.ship:
"builtInWeapons": {
"WS 001": "junk_pirates_scorpion",
}
While I'm here, the Dugong seems to have really tight fitting constraints, where I usually have some weapon slots vacant/downsized and no hull mods! Not sure if you were going for this as it is still great for concentrated firepower and can absolutely shred targets in the right circumstances but it does feel a bit compromised given the available weapon slot layout etc. I don't know that it actually needs more OP or less weapon slots; I still think the ship is effective. Perhaps I'm trying to get too much out of it?
Anyway, definitely one of my favorite factions to play as :)
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Thanks Zaphide,
I think I must have broke the Langoustine doing a quick mount-positioning check on the ships.
Will do a quick update tonight.
I'll give the Dugong some thought, although it is supposed to be a little low tech, it did just lose 10 OP recently when I removed the nose energy mount. Maybe it should get those back ... That mount was not any use anyway.
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Small feedback, a Jp-mission icon would be great!
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Quick fix up to 1.64, fixed the Langoustine and nudged the Dugong up a little in OP terms.
Small feedback, a Jp-mission icon would be great!
You know what, I totally agree. Will give it some thought (it's a serious decision) and implement soon!
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Reported bug for modded game that includes Junk Pirates: http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=7477.0
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Quick balance pass for 0.6.2a, and updated weapon glow on the STYGIAN DRILL.
Hopefully all is in order.
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UPDATE.
Nothing major from a gameplay perspective, but all round graphical improvements to sprites have been made.
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Hey there 'donca! I've been messing around with ships AI and I noticed you gave the AI hint CARRIER to Orca, Reaper and Octopus. This make them shy away and keep the distance. I think that at least the Orca (given the Haymaker) could work a lot better without it. Thoughts?
Thanks for this amazing mod btw.
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I love every aspect about this mod, other than the fact that they seem to get annihilated by every other faction they go against(The Nayorates... really hate that faction). I think its just because yours is so vanilla balanced OR they lack luster when regarding firepower. You should make a junk pirate frigate/destroyer/cruiser/capital/battlecruiser using Hightech ship parts and built in weaponry, Just a thought :)
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I love every aspect about this mod, other than the fact that they seem to get annihilated by every other faction they go against(The Nayorates... really hate that faction). I think its just because yours is so vanilla balanced OR they lack luster when regarding firepower. You should make a junk pirate frigate/destroyer/cruiser/capital/battlecruiser using Hightech ship parts and built in weaponry, Just a thought :)
Thank you, that's very nice of you to say so! It's always good to hear people's thoughts on this mod.
I think the problem re. balance vs. Mayorates et. al is a difficult one that I am not necessarily keen on approaching (this faction is not supposed to stand up to a Tri Tachyon level of technology, so therefore wouldn't stand a chance against those factions which are currently balanced at this level or above).
I guess I always want to reference against Vanilla, rather than risk clouding the mod world with factions of ever increasing power, even though I appreciate the reasons why this might be fun (and useful) for players of Exerelin etc. I always consider comments - but I'm happy with where this faction is, at the minute, despite - as you say - a potential lack of bite.
I suspect that might be more to do with the comparisons against some of the royal ass-kickers present elsewhere (including some of the vanilla machines) rather than necessarily the fact that the JP are completely impotent.
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Junk Pirates is well balanced. Please don't ever change that. Indeed, comparing to other mods is risky business. It can end up like an arms race, where mod factions become increasingly more powerful in an effort to balance up against one another.
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Junk Pirates is well balanced. Please don't ever change that. Indeed, comparing to other mods is risky business. It can end up like an arms race, where mod factions become increasingly more powerful in an effort to balance up against one another.
Which is why mods should, at least in my opinion, always be balanced against vanilla. That isn't to say vanilla's balance is perfect, or even excellent, but it does provide a solid baseline I think. Otherwise you end up with situation like you describe (and which can be observed in World of Tanks :P) Powercreep anyone?
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Which is why mods should, at least in my opinion, always be balanced against vanilla. That isn't to say vanilla's balance is perfect, or even excellent, but it does provide a solid baseline I think. Otherwise you end up with situation like you describe (and which can be observed in World of Tanks :P) Powercreep anyone?
This. So much this.
Also, I'm happy to see this mod is still being updated!
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Oh man, it's been so long since I played
Starfarer Starsector. It's great to hear from you, Mendonca and Eric. So much of this game has changed, but my favorite mod is still Junk Pirates. As others have said, the balance is perfect to vanilla, but also the art style is so incredibly consistent with vanilla ships as well. Don't get me wrong, lots of mods have some great art, but these ships don't feel out of place, nor do they look like glued-together vanilla ships.
My one request is that the newer ships be added to the post in another fleet overview image. I think that would be the Scythe, Splinter, Octopus, Stoats A & B, and the Reaper.
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Ok, at last, ShaderLib support (normals and materials on ships only, weapon lighting) for the Junk Pirates.
GET IT WHILE IT'S BROKEN HOT (http://goo.gl/kOn3GA)
Also a reasonable amount of work has gone in to sharpening up the quality of some of the sprites - most of them should be better lit, with more detail and less sketchyness.
But other than that, nothing new.
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There is... Definitely interesting stuff, hidden inside this update. :D
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Could someoone explain why I am getting an error screen that says Parsing compilation unit "com.fs.starfarer.loading.super$1@e0f004 ?
Thanks
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Could someoone explain why I am getting an error screen that says Parsing compilation unit "com.fs.starfarer.loading.super$1@e0f004 ?
Thanks
Hi there!
I'm sorry, but I haven't had this issue and I'm not sure what could be causing it.
Is there any other information you can give? Have you pinned the fault down to this mod (have you any other mods running?)
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Oh god baby, we need it.
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:)
Thanks!
It's fair to say that I will release an updated version at some point. Had a decent run at getting a working version going last night, but there is a lot of detail to think about even after hitting that point. Hopefully in a week, but more likely in a bit longer I think.
Context becomes ever more important with 0.65, something which I have not required to think about too much.
Even considering throwing together all my mods in one package (removes the need for each particular faction having 'dummy' link systems populated by independents etc. just to tie markets together).
Also there is the flavour text to write. And the icons to draw. So many details :)
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Take as much time as you need bro, but uhh, JP is definitely a staple part of my Starfa... *ahemwhatever* experience. They're the bad guys you kinda want to get drunk with.
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Even considering throwing together all my mods in one package (removes the need for each particular faction having 'dummy' link systems populated by independents etc. just to tie markets together).
I endorse this idea :)
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JUNK ASP PACK v200 (http://goo.gl/WozBOj)
DUMP. Whoah this should work for now. Shaderlib support suspended, but only because I haven't gone through the process of making all of it compatible yet.
- ASP Syndicate added. New System - Ursulo. Contains ASP hub (Paddington - a busy trade port).
- PACK added.
- Canis system subsumed.
- New system - York. Hegemony agricultural powerhouse (Lincoln) and Pack and JP frontier worlds.
All mods have been added together as I find I have less time to maintain them all these days, in theory I should be able to tweak and nurdle all three mods at the same time a little bit easier than doing one at a time. If you are particularly offended by any of these factions, comment out the relevant system generation in JunkGen.
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Woooh, some of my favorite mods with good balance and vanilla friendly art is back! And you did merge them all into one, it does make it easier to maintain them and is similar to my long term goals :)
I'll try to make some time to play them and give you my thoughts sometime soon Mendonca.
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ASP are a definite contender for my favorite faction, first mod I ever downloaded I think :) Really like the art style and the lore!
I think merging them into 1 mod is a good idea. If you wanted, you could setup your own settings file with options to turn on/off the factions i.e:
data/config/mendonce_mod_settings.json:
{
"enableASP":true, # Boolean
"enablePACK":true, # Boolean
"enableJunkPirate":true, # Boolean
}
and then check those settings when running your generator code:
JSONObject settings = Global.getSettings().loadJSON("data/config/mendonce_mod_settings.json");
Boolean enableASP = enableThreading = settings.getBoolean("enableASP");
if(enableASP)
{
// Do ASP sector gen
}
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don't get me wrong I think your ships look good but something about the way the armor is textured makes it look organic, almost alien to me. good mod, good onto you, good in your life.
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Hey there mendonca! I really loved your ships in Uomoz's Sector, and I miss them now that I switched to SS+. Any chance you might consider making your factions compatible with SS+ as well?
Frankly, I have no idea how hard it is or even if it should be done from your end or SS+ one, but I figured I'd ask anyway in case it turn out to be something within your control and not that difficult :)
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Hey there mendonca! I really loved your ships in Uomoz's Sector, and I miss them now that I switched to SS+. Any chance you might consider making your factions compatible with SS+ as well?
Frankly, I have no idea how hard it is or even if it should be done from your end or SS+ one, but I figured I'd ask anyway in case it turn out to be something within your control and not that difficult :)
That's good to hear - and that would be great! :)
I talked briefly about it with Dark.Revenant a few weeks before the latest update hit, hopefully it's something I can work towards.
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If you activate it alongside SS+ it functions, they just don't have interactions with the other mod-races. Thanks for the update man! Really glad to see these guys back in action.
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Thanks Wriath, I'll try to, though I definitely hope for a full integration :)
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Heya, I am new to this mod and having an issue with Star Sector +. I just wanted to run this by the creators of this mod pack to see if maybe it was affecting the game's economy.
In Ursulo there is a system called Yogi. It has 3 food for sale at 23 credits, where elsewhere in the game food is in much more demand at a higher price. The market screen says that 100% of the demand is met by local supply and stockpiles, and it is selling the excess (of 3 food).
Using this as an example, I just want to ask if this is normal and acceptable for the economy? I don't know how it works so well, but I'm just trying to figure out what is making my playthroughs of SS+ so difficult. Thanks!
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It doesn't sound unreasonable ... Yogi is an industrialised terran planet with a small population, it can feed itself adequately, doesn't have high demand and so won't have high prices, i guess it's just (un)fortunate that there is a small excess and not a large excess like some of the other food producing planets.
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Hello Mendonca, thank's for the reply!
Yea, it makes perfect sense that it would not be a planet known for producing much food; I just have a poor understanding of how the eco works in this game because I expect it to be more simple than it actually is!
I like the mod so far, although I don't usually come into contact with those who live on those two moons. Or actually, I don't really come into contact with any of the three factions yet.. But I appreciate their existence in my game!
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I can't say I fully understand the economy, so my assertions are mostly guesswork.
I did deliberately keep most markets relatively small such that the mod has a fairly limited impact overall on the state of the systems. The three factions in this pack are also not supposed to be particularly powerful, so it's good that you rarely come across them. The exception would be ASP, I guess, who are locally (within Ursulo) pretty powerful in that they operate a relatively big market.
I'd be very interested to hear any particular specific feedback you may have on the mod, if you have any opinions either way :)
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I can do a large write-up if you'd like. I do have some things that really stick out in my mind though.
Biggest thing is i don't recall seeing any military markets in the top 3 system (York Urslo or Brehini). It makes it harder to buy the cruisers or capitals. The next biggest thing is ASP doesn't seem to have enemies spawn in their system so you can't push relations above 50 (from trade). If you're willing to tank relations with hedge you can get JP to 100 in York. I haven't been to Canis yet so don't know if you can get them above 50.
The Diamondback is the best cargoship for frigate swarms. It doesn't fight as well as the hound, but has more room. It's really great. I usually try to get one ASAP. The only downside of the diamondback is the overhead: .25 supplies per day from crew. I really like the other ASP ships too. Like a highish-medium tech versions of the venture but at different sizes than the venture. Good all around ships. Though you probably don't want your main combat force to be ASP ships.
The Hammerhead(?) frigate is probably the ultimate Fire-support ship. You get 2 medium missile mounts for so little cost. It does die easily in a melee, but it's worth the cost of micromanaging. In general the JP ships are good at one thing but a little lackluster overall. Which i think may be the goal. They're on average better than buffalo2 though so they're not helpless. Their strange layouts make it a little hard for me to use though. The ai seems fairly happy with them however. I really like the integrated weapons; they seem pretty balanced, and feel good to use.
Two JP weapons really fall flat. The scatter PD and the grape family of launchers. Neither does enough damage to be good fragmentation weapons. The scatter is an awful PD weapon i prefer even regular PD laser over it. It misses too much. It feels kinda like the vulcan did before it was buffed. The grape spread is too wide in my opinion, and when it does hit it's doing painfully small amounts of damage after even 100 points of armor most fighters have. Furthermore fighters mostly dodge all the shrapnel anyway (hence thinking too much spread). Frigates have an easy time of dodging most of the shrapnel too.
The eximer and cutlass feel like the energy equivalants of the AC and arbalest. Rather undesirable, but if the only ones available then they'll have to make do. They're bad against armor due to being beam weapons. Hence the comparison to kinetic ballistic weapons. They are much more OP expensive than their ballistic counterparts however. They're fine for outlaw types I suppose.
I'm not near my PC and can't recall the other weapons in JunkPirates.
I haven't really used PACK ships since i'd seen them in Uomoz's sector in .62. I can't give any meaningful feedback.
Outside of mechanical effectiveness i love the thematic naming. The snakey names for ASP (which i like is a name for a subcatagory of snakes). The bear names for Urslo (which sounds like ursus-more bearness). The oceanic creature names in JP. The canid names for PACK. It's all great. I might have missed more themes, but the ones i have found make me smile. It's a nice touch.
That's all i can tell you from memory. If you'd like a more detailed amount of feedback i'll take notes (my memory is underwhelming). It might take a little while though, because it's a little hard to get enough ships from this mod to be your primary force.
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Thanks for your thoughts, it's all great :)
The Hammer is an absolute beast in this version. 2 Pilums and fast missile racks make pretty short work of just about anything without having to risk the fragile rear-end. I noticed how easy it was to 'pop' enforcers with this simple little ship. I think it needs a rethink with the recent missile buff, at such a small and cheap ship.
I hear what you are saying re. military markets, and I'm not sure whether I will put them in. Perhaps the Junk Pirates should have one - it would explain why they can maintain a certain amount of dominance in that region of space. Basically I don't think universal access to all ships (just because) is that much fun - I like limits, and balance - and by just adding the military base so that you can buy the ships you want to fly is not (for me) enough of a reason on it's own.
I guess I would be happier coding in a lore-coherent equivalent which doesn't give a +2 stability, but opens up a market on good relations that gives access to the same sort of stuff. On the other hand, if you want the ships - you can (try) and take them! I'll definitely give it some thought.
The scatter PD is probably way behind where it was a few versions ago (where it seemed to be okay in terms of PD vs pilums, if not for anything else). I'll take a look at that as well.
Grapeshot probably got left behind as well, relative to the other missile slots. I'll take a look, but I'm not altogether unhappy with it - for what it is.
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Another version; uploading as it is in order to get something out there that represents a coherent version.
- Shaderlib support should now be back in. This version REQUIRES shaderlib.
- Canis should be a lot more interesting - added Jameson Orbital pirate base (with military market); made Port Revive (TT) more interesting with local conditions. Petra added military market - Which side are you on?
- York should now be a bit more interesting; Christchurch and Dartmouth are more functional and distinct as economies.
- Added a few market conditions:
* Active Militia (Military Base on a smaller scale; adds military market, lower demand increases, doesn't increase stability)
* Cryoculture (Food production to the ice worlds with Hab-tubes; Glory and Dartmouth)
* Research Outpost (Port Revive generates some demand of research based materials, and adds stability)
* Junk Yard (Shipbreaking on a smaller scale)
- The PACK and JPs now have available military markets. It's relatively difficult to access the JP one due to the limited activity in Brehinni; unless you want to mess with the Hegemony in York? PACK are much easier now - you could mess with the pirates in Canis and quickly get access to the market(s).
- Missions fixed
- Fighters balanced (Thanks to DR for the help in that)
- Other Ships (particularly freighters) now rebalanced to fit closer to 6.5.1a norms. Most ship costs amended. e.g. Octoopus and Scythe are no longer the super cheap super freighters they once were.
GET IT WHILE ITS HOT!!!
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates230.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates230.zip)
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HECK YEAH. Was just about to suggest some military markets for them :)
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Using the new version, this happens:
(http://i.imgur.com/vfJ15eE.png)
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Ah, sorry about that. Obviously that one evaded my testing ...
Stick the attached file in ./starsector/mods/JP_RC/data/lights/. and overwrite the file as a short term fix before I get a chance to update ... I had incorrectly pathed the materials and normals for the ion drone ...
Thank you for pointing that out, I appreciate it, let me know if there are any other issues.
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Error loading [graphics/pack/ships/material/pack_pitbull2Material.png]
Fixed it and few more errors:
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Finally updated
All three factions in one mod.Looks like a 66%off. :D
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Error loading [graphics/pack/ships/material/pack_pitbull2Material.png]
Fixed it and few more errors:
Thank you
(My computer has a rubbish graphics card, I can't test with shaderlib properly :()
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Are the fixes mentioned in previous posts in the current version?
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Nanao,
Not yet incorporated in the download, sorry. Will try and get a maintenance update out in the next couple of days, but also working through some details on balance and other finer points with D.R on SS+ integration, so still need to do a bit of testing to make sure my current version is as stable and correct as possible.
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Nanao, just use the link above: http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=161.0;attach=2727
Works perfectly, tested :)
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https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates231.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates231.zip)
Updated version, maintenance for last time, and preparation for SS+ compatibility.
Hopefully all is well, still can't quite thoroughly test with shaderlib, so I hope everything is fixed (going to bed now ... zzz)
Lots of tweaks and fine tuning this time round, all of which are frankly only possible thanks to the discerning eye, good taste (and direct help) of Dark.Revenant.
A few more things to do, but those will take a bit more time to fix properly.
Junk Pirates v2.3.1
- Rebalance of a number of ships, particularly cost to buy and FP to field (D.R)
- Faction descriptions added
- Shaders fixed (D.R)
- Dudong ship tweaked (D.R)
- Grapeshot buffed (D.R)
- Du(g)ong support variant fixed (pilum was in wrong group)
- Some text stuff tweaked
- PACK and ASP post bounties
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I've been getting overwriting confirmation for duplicated file "JP_RC\data\campaign\econ\junk_pirates_cryoculture.java~" when extracting using 7-zip. Is this intended behavior?
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It seems two copies were included somehow; one is both newer and larger, so I assume it's the intended one.
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I've been getting overwriting confirmation for duplicated file "JP_RC\data\campaign\econ\junk_pirates_cryoculture.java~" when extracting using 7-zip. Is this intended behavior?
Ah okay, yeah, I see.
It seems there are backups of files in the campaign/econ/. folder - I was under the (mistaken, obviously) impression I had cleaned these up throughout the zip - and there are two because linux (my machine) thinks cryoculture.java~ and Cryoculture.java~ are two separate files, whilst windows does not (hence the overwrite prompt)
It shouldn't affect things either way (the 'tilde' files aren't used by SS, they are just because I haven't deleted them) and I'll tidy the file up when I next get a chance.
Let me know if there are residual issues (I don't think there will be) and thanks for bringing this up.
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the junk pirates... are aptly named. their ships look like they were cobbled together from junk, which they apparently were. i respect the mod itself, but i... just cant force myself to like any of it's ships. keep in mind this is coming from a guy who regularly builds chrome plated abstract space art that i call spaceships, so maybe the aesthetics are a personal thing. or maybe im too used to the BSF forums where even the mid grade shipbuilder's creations would be considered top of the line ships by SS standards. and maybe that's part of why i want to convert all those beautiful BSF spaceships and factions into actual SS mod factions...
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the junk pirates... are aptly named. their ships look like they were cobbled together from junk, which they apparently were. i respect the mod itself, but i... just cant force myself to like any of it's ships. keep in mind this is coming from a guy who regularly builds chrome plated abstract space art that i call spaceships, so maybe the aesthetics are a personal thing. or maybe im too used to the BSF forums where even the mid grade shipbuilder's creations would be considered top of the line ships by SS standards. and maybe that's part of why i want to convert all those beautiful BSF spaceships and factions into actual SS mod factions...
I agree that it is your personal sense of aesthetics. There are plenty of mods already that have very sleek figures, including ships in this mod itself (ASP & PACK). If I had to agree though, I'd say that rather than incorporating halves of whole ships, and looking oddly new and shiny, I feel like they could be cobbled together from existing ships, with some pieces missing, or hastily replaced with metal or exposed mechanics. As they are though, I don't really mind.
Anyway, to the author, a friend and I had an idea to make the Junk Pirates more interesting; it may be possible to create hull mods for their ships that give bonuses to loot from battles, of some kind. I figure they and their ships would be good at making use of every piece they can get.
Thanks for readin'!
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or maybe im too used to the BSF forums where even the mid grade shipbuilder's creations would be considered top of the line ships by SS standards. and maybe that's part of why i want to convert all those beautiful BSF spaceships and factions into actual SS mod factions...
Did you just compare BSF ships to the best stuff SS has to offer?
(http://i.imgur.com/6oC7Wjb.gif)
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or maybe im too used to the BSF forums where even the mid grade shipbuilder's creations would be considered top of the line ships by SS standards. and maybe that's part of why i want to convert all those beautiful BSF spaceships and factions into actual SS mod factions...
I laughed! You are saying that this:(http://www.wyrdysm.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=4908&mode=view)
is "top of the line" compared to this:(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/starfarergame/images/e/ef/Eagle_base.png/revision/latest?cb=20141025061113)
"Aesthetics are a personal thing" indeed.
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that... was one of my first ever ships, and one of the crappiest things ive ever built. im still ashamed of it. and im at best a mediocre BSF shipbuilder. this is what a proper ship looks like: http://www.wyrdysm.com/phpBB3/download/file.php?id=5073&mode=view
and even that isnt necessarily great by BSF standards. the outer pylons look slightly disconnected if you look at them. i just like the bright colors and high tech look of most BSF ships more than the dull, though not in any way flawed SS ships. they are definitely their own games with their own styles.
edit: actually, my old ship looks a little bit like a symmetrical, brightly colored junk pirate ship. messy, rough and a bit ugly, though with a not too horrid general shape/ outline.
and this is an example of an experienced BSF shipbuilder: http://www.wyrdysm.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6885 on par with the best SS modders out there.
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this is an example of an experienced BSF shipbuilder: http://www.wyrdysm.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6885 on par with the best SS modders out there.
I don't feel myself equipped with enough technobabble (or, rather, artsybabble in this case) to pass the judgement on that art in general, so let me speak from my personal point of view: I would have really hard time (and would eventually fail to) convincing myself to put ships as under quoted link into my SS experience due to them being dull, choppy and, well, primitive. On the other hand, Junk Pirates went to my SS+ even when they were formally incompatible because they're fun, look cool and, most importantly, blend with vanilla stylistically.
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and this is an example of an experienced BSF shipbuilder: http://www.wyrdysm.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6885 on par with the best SS modders out there.
I don't know man, these are nice, don't get me wrong, but SS's ships are really quite nice. Now that we have shaderlib around too, there's a whole lot we can do to make stuff look exceptional. I feel like these BSF ships are a little too square and uniform overall, and look like they need some kind of AA pass, but who knows.
I imagine most people here will be inclined to like SS ships better. A lot of us have been with this game a long time, and seen many mods full of greatness come and go. Personally, I love the look of curves on SS ships, and how different they can all look, and Junk Pirates is a good example of this, I think.
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SS ships have their charm, both vanilla and mod ships. i think the main reason i prefer BSF ships is because of the enormous variety and massive versatility (plus polish) of the shipmaker. even an idiot like myself could, given the proper time and section sprites, make a half decent ship. not necessarily on your first try mind you (as one has given evidence of), but... you dont have to be a spriter to make BSF ships. you absolutely have to be a pixel master to make a truly exceptional SS ship, and some people on these forums are definitely not (that last statement was a matter of personal opinion, the fact that one person likes or hates a style/ ship regardless of skill level/ experience does not make it good or bad.)
SS ships do have their own varied and unique styles, though to a somewhat lesser degree. there are some pretty epic SS mod ships out there, and some vanilla ships are pretty cool too. just the same as BSF, some mod ships are better than others, but ive probably already gone too far with my comparisons so im going to stop now.
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I want to face bad bad pirates within the starsector+ mod so i need the junk pirates! :)
Is there an update coming soon?
Greetings
Ahne
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:)
Shouldn't be too long ...
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Thx man, appreciate your hard work!
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Junk Pirates 2.3.5
DOWNLOAD HERE (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates235.zip)
General update for 0.65.2a RC2
Weapons rebalanced, variants tweaked etc.
Also sees the introduction of three ranges of higher-spec PACK ships (skins of existing hulls, in ascending order of effectiveness):
CAOMARELO:
Yellow tinged ships with a tendency towards ballistics, higher OP counts and improved engines. Skins for Wirefox, Samoyed, Schnauzer.
ROTHUND:
Red tinged ships with heavier armour and higher op counts. Skins for Schnauzer, Pitbull, BRT, Komondor, Ridgeback X
CANEBIANCO:
White ships with improved shields (generally fixed frontal), more energy weapons, and much increased OP counts. Skins for Bedlington, Pitbull, Komondor.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/pack_pitbull_canebianco.png)
CANEBIANCO technicians are rightly proud of the modifications they have effected upon the venerable Pitbull-class Destroyer.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/pack_BRT_rothund.png)
The ROTHUND machine shop have added more armour, retooled the medium energy mounts, and significantly boosted combat performance by reverse-engineering the more modern vessels in operation today, and applying these technologies to the comparatively primitive and inefficient chassis of the BRT.
Availability is reduced for these higher spec ships, have fun trying to collect them all!
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Awesome.
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I like the small differences between the skins and base hulls (more armor on the ROTHUND).
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I love the mod as always mendonca, but a couple of preliminary thoughts and observations regarding this update.
You forgot to add the maps for the new skins to the texture_data.csv, and those ships are really powerful with no real downsides. In my opinion you should give them the High Maintenance hullmod, increase their FP cost, and perhaps add a custom hullmod that increases supplies/day. The increased credit cost of them just is not enough to justify the rather large increase of power that those ships wield.
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juhu THX man!
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I love the mod as always mendonca, but a couple of preliminary thoughts and observations regarding this update.
You forgot to add the maps for the new skins to the texture_data.csv, and those ships are really powerful with no real downsides. In my opinion you should give them the High Maintenance hullmod, increase their FP cost, and perhaps add a custom hullmod that increases supplies/day. The increased credit cost of them just is not enough to justify the rather large increase of power that those ships wield.
Aren't they also more rare though? Omnifactory doesn't count.
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Rarity is not really a valid balancing factor.
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Why not?
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It's only a time limitation: it promote grinding, or worse gamification (like buying all ships from the same class to force it to spawn), and ship is still OP in the end.
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..because when you got it in a market you buy it,its simply too strong and it can overpower other similar ships in battle (i talk generally about rarity as a balancing factor)
//thats the easy way to describe the problem, im not in the mood to go into detail because your short "why not?" message implicates a subtle taste of ignorance and prejudiced opinion on that topic and you believe that there will be no answer to that "question"
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It's a single-player RPG, people are going to do that anyway.
I mean, the Paragon is clearly OP but it's balanced by price and rarity, what's the real difference? I'm not saying that these ships might or might not be a little too much, but this constant need for all the ships to be perfectly in-line with one another is just odd to me.
It's just how the real world works, a Hi-Point 9mm is extremely common, extremely cheap and it's trash, a Glock 19 is just slightly less common, it's more expensive and it's decent, a customized competition Tanfoglio 9mm is rare, expensive and flat-out better than the other two options.
subtle taste of ignorance
Talk about reading into things too much, it was a simple question because I don't understand the concept.
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The Paragon isn't balanced, even with it's rarity. As soon as you find one you finished the game. (It's much less OP in SS+ but that's another story) Besides there is a difference between having ONE ship rare and OP and a whole bunch of them: you could reliably find at least one each month.
subtle taste of ignorance
From someone that keeps bugging modders to update their mods all the time without the slightest idea of the work it represent, I find this subtle taste of arrogance disturbing.
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So... you're saying that the campaign is inherently flawed due to it's unfinished state, and therefore trying to reach balance in it is somewhat pointless? :P
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On the contrary! I'm stating that balancing your whole mod against a singular obviously flawed instance is a bad idea. (An common error in many mods that used to balance their ships against the Paragon when the Onslaught is a far better measure)
And even if it was a valid balancing factor, my point stand that it encourage grinding or gaming the mechanic, witch aren't desirable I believe.
[edit] I'm not saying it's a useless balancing factor! It does help, but it's not that effective, and can't bring in line clearly OP ships because they will always be worth the investment. A combination of High Maintenance hullmod and high supplies per day on the other hand are way more efficient, because this ship drain your resources all the time and you must be sure to be able to afford it's usage, not just the initial cost.
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I am not saying that they need to be perfectly in-line with other ships, but simply have a downside to counteract their prowess in combat. Being a resource drain like a Hyperion would do it, but this is simply my opinion :)
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Fair enough points, that's basically what I was looking for to sate my own curiosity.
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Glad to be of service ;)
Spoiler
[10:16:33] MesoTroniK: what a spontaneous argument in the JP thread
[10:16:58] Tartiflette: It's not an argument, it's an exchange of opinion
[10:17:04] Tartiflette: no name calling involved
[10:17:34] MesoTroniK: I consider this an argument, it is staying on track
[10:18:02] Tartiflette: I don't know, it's too civil to be called an internet argument ^^
First time in internet history an argument doesn't degenerate!
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From someone that keeps bugging modders to update their mods all the time without the slightest idea of the work it represent, I find this subtle taste of arrogance disturbing.
You call me bugging someone and that i don't appreciate their hard work?
You really should read more of my replies and messages to the modders section, i have often told the modders and Alex and all the guys who deliver content for the game that i really appreciate and enjoy their work.
Stop that lying immediately or i lose all respect to you.
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I love the mod as always mendonca, but a couple of preliminary thoughts and observations regarding this update.
You forgot to add the maps for the new skins to the texture_data.csv, and those ships are really powerful with no real downsides. In my opinion you should give them the High Maintenance hullmod, increase their FP cost, and perhaps add a custom hullmod that increases supplies/day. The increased credit cost of them just is not enough to justify the rather large increase of power that those ships wield.
On the statement: 'Those ships are really powerful ..." is that true? As in, have you actually played with one? Is this specific or is this based on viewing the skin files and making some assumptions? REALLY powerful, or just, a bit powerful?
I'm not trying to be irritating or inflammatory, I just don't necessarily think they (all) are, and it is also a genuine question.
They also do have an increased FP cost (marginal in most cases, this could be looked at).
In simple terms the rationale was indeed to add 'high-end' ships, with no downsides.
The intent was to give a range of ships going from 'PACK Baseline' (which is pretty trash) to a little bit better - through core epoch and up to expansion levels of performance (the Canebianco ships probably do this - are they too good? I don't truly know, I tend to avoid playing with the Tempest et. al).
Fixed hullmods means that in some cases - the customisation has already been done - is this a valid balancing point? A hardened shield Canebianco ship can't be hardened again.
On reflection, I'm thinking a high maintenance type of hullmod would not harm these ships (especially the Canebianco ships), but (whether this is good or bad) I do think it might tip them back below the line where you would want them in your fleet as opposed to a vanilla expansion vessel, for instance.
Would love some specific ship-by-ship feedback, if any has some to give me :)
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I will honestly admit that even with this mod installed, I never really bothered with the ships that much. But then I saw "rare ships" and ended up wanting to fly some. :-X
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I love the mod as always mendonca, but a couple of preliminary thoughts and observations regarding this update.
You forgot to add the maps for the new skins to the texture_data.csv, and those ships are really powerful with no real downsides. In my opinion you should give them the High Maintenance hullmod, increase their FP cost, and perhaps add a custom hullmod that increases supplies/day. The increased credit cost of them just is not enough to justify the rather large increase of power that those ships wield.
On the statement: 'Those ships are really powerful ..." is that true? As in, have you actually played with one? Is this specific or is this based on viewing the skin files and making some assumptions? REALLY powerful, or just, a bit powerful?
I'm not trying to be irritating or inflammatory, I just don't necessarily think they (all) are, and it is also a genuine question.
They also do have an increased FP cost (marginal in most cases, this could be looked at).
In simple terms the rationale was indeed to add 'high-end' ships, with no downsides.
The intent was to give a range of ships going from 'PACK Baseline' (which is pretty trash) to a little bit better - through core epoch and up to expansion levels of performance (the Canebianco ships probably do this - are they too good? I don't truly know, I tend to avoid playing with the Tempest et. al).
Fixed hullmods means that in some cases - the customisation has already been done - is this a valid balancing point? A hardened shield Canebianco ship can't be hardened again.
On reflection, I'm thinking a high maintenance type of hullmod would not harm these ships (especially the Canebianco ships), but (whether this is good or bad) I do think it might tip them back below the line where you would want them in your fleet as opposed to a vanilla expansion vessel, for instance.
Would love some specific ship-by-ship feedback, if any has some to give me :)
They're better with virtually no drawbacks. Some of the CB versions have a huge increase in OP and a large chunk of effective OP gained from those hull mods, and the SA and RH versions are no pushovers either. I suggest introducing a built-in hullmod for each of the skin types (CA, RH, CB) that penalizes logistics rating in an increasing manner. The CA hullmod would probably just increase supplies/day by 25%. RH would increase by 35%, and CB would increase by 50%.
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Okey dokey, that was a quick retreat. Thanks for all the feedback, in case it's not clear it is all thoroughly appreciated.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates236.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates236.zip)
Junk Pirates 2.3.6
- PACK Skins now all 'High Maintenance' - or rather 'Overclocked'. Caomarelo ships work at 15% flat supply usage even when at max CR, Rothund at 20%, Canebianco at 30% plus 10% penalty to CR timer.
- Added shader / texture data for PACK skins (retain normals / materials of original hulls - let me know if this is jarring but hopefully shouldn't be too much of a difference between the skins / hulls).
- Dropped a bit of range off the ripsaw down to 650, as even with a slight bump in Flux usage it is a bit relentless with infinite ammo.
Any more thoughts greatly appreciated :)
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Okey dokey, that was a quick retreat. Thanks for all the feedback, in case it's not clear it is all thoroughly appreciated.
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates236.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates236.zip)
Junk Pirates 2.3.6
- PACK Skins now all 'High Maintenance' - or rather 'Overclocked'. Caomarelo ships work at 15% flat supply usage even when at max CR, Rothund at 20%, Canebianco at 30% plus 10% penalty to CR timer.
- Added shader / texture data for PACK skins (retain normals / materials of original hulls - let me know if this is jarring but hopefully shouldn't be too much of a difference between the skins / hulls).
- Dropped a bit of range off the ripsaw down to 650, as even with a slight bump in Flux usage it is a bit relentless with infinite ammo.
Any more thoughts greatly appreciated :)
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think DR just meant supplies per day, not actual high maintenance.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think DR just meant supplies per day, not actual high maintenance.
No need to correct you, I'm pretty sure that was what D.R meant.
I've gone for something closer to MesoTronik's suggestion, and changed it slightly just to be difficult.
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These guys have been around longer than I have been playing StarSector, so I guess it's time to finally give them a try. Here's my first bit of feedback. In the description of Lincoln, it says, "Offloading ship captains are met by a Hegemony logistics officers". Either the "a" in "a Hegemony" or the "s" in "officers" is unnecessary. (I'm not just a grammar Nazi, I'm a grammar HYDRA agent.)
That's a vanilla typo (Lincoln borrows the vanilla descriptions), but good spot nevertheless.
Hope you have fun with the mod!
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The over OP limit probably stems from the assumption of 10 Tech.
I also noticed that ASP ships tend to be a bit hard to find, but in my case, I just never find a Gigantophis. I found Copperheads every now and then.
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The over OP thing is just a failure in mental arithmetic on my part, or lack of proper checking. I did try and fix all cases recently, obviously missed a couple of variants. I'll see if I can clean that up.
On the 'Looking for Trouble' flagship - that's a hangover from the time when the Hammerhead had two rear medium energy turrets - this variant for this mission has kept them (in order to maintain the cutlasses). I feel like it would be a shame to fix it, for whatever reason.
I'll probably have a play about with ASP ship frequencies, I kind of agree fleet makeup should be a little more ASP-centric (if only because what's the point otherwise), and that should bring a few more ASP ships out in to the market. I normally get a Diamondback or two for the fleet pretty easily, if I'm running frigates and looking for a bit more space.
Balance-wise - the intent is pretty much as you say. ASP are meant to be very good ships - just not particularly combat focused. Normal PACK ships are sort of pretty good - but have low OPs and lightweight hulls - with the best probably starting to approach midline, overall, in performance (but the specialist skins e.g. Canebianco type variants maybe as good as TriTach). Junk Pirates are balanced against midline.
Look forward to the feedback, really interested to know what you think :)
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I for one, love the Schnauzer (CA). The two energy points at the front of the original didn't really appeal to me, but the missile points did.
Sure, it'll blow up with a small tap, but it's quite fun to fly and I like how it looks.
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Junk Pirates 2.3.7 is up ...
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates237.zip (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates237.zip)
Changes;
- Fixed some typos and variant OP counts
- ASP fleet arrangement changed - more ASP specific ships should appear (by a significant margin - maybe the gigantophis will show up now ...)
- Added the Magpie, a JP Light-ish Cruiser
- PACK super-skins nerfed a bit - they are all more expensive to run and [CB] ships have a greater penalty to CR timer.
(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_magpie.png)
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Pesic, your reviews are great to read. xD Make a video man!
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Yeah, lovely read :)
Nice to see you say that about the Schnauzer, a very nice compliment indeed! (I've got a soft spot for it, probably amplified by the feeling of [terror / hubris / anger / humour?] I get every time one of them explodes from just a singular badly dodged harpoon)
We don't have yeller, red and white versions of everything just yet - and I don't think we ever will (but I do intend to implement a few more once I make the time to sit down and have a think about it).
Sounds like you've got (or mentioned) every frigate that's currently available. The Schnauzer is the only ship that actually has a skin from each machine-shop, Komondor and Pitbull both have Red/White, BRT has Red (maybe yellow? I'd have to check ) ... They are still scratching their heads about how the Shar Pei works, so haven't got anywhere with that ... The Mastiff and Ridgeback are untouched, and the Ridgeback X has been given the once over by just the Rothund guys. So not too many at present, but hopefully enough that it adds a bit of interest.
e: checked ... Schnauzer does not have [CB], and BRT does not have [CA] ... (yet) my mistake :)
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So I haven't played this since 0.54 or so, are the PACK still disappointingly underpowered?
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They are weak individually, making early game a chore. The fun start when you can field several of them, as the name of the faction suggest it.
Haven't played enough of them to tell what kind of tactic to use but Network Pesci's idea of long range Schnauzer spam sounds good. Add a few Bedlington for the always useful ion drones and you should be able to hunt on fleets with big ships. Neutrinos in particular would be easy preys for PACK swarms.
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Yeah, what HELMUT said.
Really, it's probably not that much fun to field e.g. any lone PACK ship at all, unless you are very patient and / or a masochist.
The highly combat-capable [CB] type ships are very strong, but typically you won't be carrying enough logistics support to have fun with them on their own - so make sure they have logistic support.
If you wanted an early stage fleet that can punch above it's weight, picking from the basic skins - the Wirefox is an excellent 'kiter' against most fleets, but you'll probably need a couple of Samoyed (Base) to bring in more firepower / distractions to be able to reliably take on any kind of fleet above one or two ships (and even then, it's very sensitive to mistakes). The Caomarelo Samoyed (Base) are ridiculously quick, and eminently survivable - in the AI hands - and are a reasonably cheap effective combat option (but will have a constant supply drain due to being overclocked).
If you want to move up a level, try a Pitbull, but you WILL want a couple of escorting Schnauzers (or Bedlingtons?) to back you up, as the Pitbull is very slow but can slaughter things once it gets the Ripsaw in range (assuming you don't get flanked ...). The Pitbull is a bit more forgiving (it has decent armor), and has huge potential forward firepower just due to the four front facing missile hardpoints - Jets make it maneuverable in a pinch, but positioning overall is important as without the Jets they are pretty lethargic. The Pitbull [CB] may make you feel invulnerable due to hardened 360 shields ... I've found that not to be the case - but it can do (and take) a lot of damage over the course of a battle.
For more 'fun' - try piloting the Shar-Pei. This one definitely needs protection from flanking AND probably escort PD, and I guess was balanced against the inferior Missile AI of a few versions ago - so probably sucks more than it should - but can be rewarding to play and requires skill to use effectively (probably not really that suitable for AI, unless you want to send a bunch of crew to an early space-grave).
You're supposed to mix craft up, really, due to the relative strengths of the ships. I've found lot's of mixes of craft work - but sticking to one type can often be a recipe for disaster (I find that without a sufficient mix of craft types - you can go from hero to zero very quickly, particularly when you come against a problem fleet, and larger craft need particular care whilst fielding a PACK fleet - try Pitbulls or [CA] Schnauzers to bring the Reapers).
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I STILL haven't gotten a Gigantophis without pirating one. I'm level 46 now in a different campaign than the last time I griped about this. I have kept count, I have sacrificed over 1.5 million credits to the RNG gods buying all the frigates and freighters out of Paddington's black market and scuttling them, and I have yet to ever see a Gigantophis for sale. I'm still working on getting Venoms but I've seen and purchased two wings each of Constrictors and Bites.
The RNG gods must hate you, considering I've found several in my last playthrough. :P
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It might be a Nexerelin bug (though I don't see how), but I'm getting spammed (once a day) with paired "P.A.C.K. secure comm access granted" "Junk Pirates secure access comm revoked" messages while in any system with a PACK market. I think I've seen the inverse while friendly to Junk Pirates and hostile to PACK, too.
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So i played a pirate Nexerelin campaign. I ended up with the Junk Pirates as my only allies and as such, managed to grab a bunch of their ships during the campaign. I liked quite a bit the Boxer and Turbot, one of the few phase ships able to mount a typhoon launcher.
Unfortunately the Templars took over the sector during the early game so i couldn't experiment a more "traditional" fleet as i would get hacked to pieces against them. So i had to find another strategy.
If no one else can help, and if you can find them, maybe you can hire the H-team (http://musicpleer.net/#1ebd9764e8cd1891b225494b643ab303).
(http://i.imgur.com/5w7ovjV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/TgkRdjI.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/KrkFX1c.png?1)
So yeah, two medium missiles on a frigate with a deployment cost of 5 will eventually break the game. Oh, and it also have fast missile rack, in case there weren't enough missiles.
Personally i think switching one of the medium mount for two or three small ones would help avoiding the gross lrm spam. Of course, you'd still be able to launch a ludcrious amount of lrms across the map but it'll be roughly on par with the Vigilance.
Edit: I also noticed that some variants still have the expanded ammo magazine hull mod even though ballistic weapons don't require ammo anymore (all variants of the Scythe, close support Clam, support Kraken and standard The Reaper). I guess that's how one can recognize an old mod, eh?
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Ha ha ha!
And yeah, it does need changing, I accept that (just never wanted to do anything about it :))
Next SS version, next update, it's makeover time.
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update time! lol
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It's happening, slowly :)
Factions have been updated, just about got through updating the Breh'Inni system, still need to work through Canis and Ursulo (York is being canned). Then pass through the various variants, add normal maps etc. for the new ships / graphics, a bit of playtesting and should be good to go.
Still at least a week or two before I'll be able to push anything out, but it's progressing ...
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Let's give this a go. (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_240.zip)
Feedback most definitely welcome, please let me know how the normals look on the updated / new ships. I can't test them properly on this machine, and can't get crazybump to work on Linux.
Key Items for Changelist:
- Hammer nerfed. Boo.
- Weapon sprites updated for Light Excimer and Scatter Pd.
- Jackdaw cruiser added to JP (Dugong's brother)
- Orcenstein cruiser added to JP (Dominator-esque)
- Boxenstein (blue) given SO and a slight drop in OP. Frightening.
- Labrador added to the PACK fleet. Utility ship with advanced sensors.
- Balance update to 0.7.1a.
- Content update to 0.7.1a.
- Irritating PACK / JP comms channel issue finally resolved (both factions had a common reference in .faction files)
- Probably lots of other things
Enjoy, and please do feed back, including the littlest issues, I've not had as much time to playtest as I might have liked, but getting this out there now so at least it happens prior to Christmas.
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Thanks for the update!
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Are there any plans to bring some of the Junk Pirate ships within kill-able levels? The Boxenstein and Clam are the most heinous offenders I've seen firsthand, with the Boxenstein having more armor than some destroyers have hull points, and the clam having a shield that shames most destroyers, I get that this is supposed to come at the expense of firepower but they're just so obnoxious to fight, especially when a mod like II gives them infinite HE LRMs in the form of ballista racks.
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including the littlest issues
The Test mission has its tactical briefing copied over from the Hello Spaceboy mission and refers to a ship that doesn't appear in the Test mission.
Okay, funny I thought this was working okay for 0.7, will check and update.
Are there any plans to bring some of the Junk Pirate ships within kill-able levels? The Boxenstein and Clam are the most heinous offenders I've seen firsthand, with the Boxenstein having more armor than some destroyers have hull points, and the clam having a shield that shames most destroyers, I get that this is supposed to come at the expense of firepower but they're just so obnoxious to fight, especially when a mod like II gives them infinite HE LRMs in the form of ballista racks.
Good point and worth a look. My general view (pre 0.7) was that both ships are eminently killable, might need a check though with the updated AI and possibility of officer buffs. It's difficult to balance vs. all mods, but I can at least try.
Clams are an annoyance, but easily countered by e.g. a Lasher with LMGs sat right in their face. They are not so easy in a fleet encounter if you can't pin them down (which is sort of the point, but shouldn't be too frustrating).
The Boxenstein needs a good dose of HE to break the armour, and are vulnerable due to their lack of agility. Possible though that with officers and better AI that these are also a lot more frustrating to counter than they perhaps were (unlike, say, the Dominator - their jets allow them SOME mobility during a battle, so aren't necessarily hard-countered by e.g. ion cannons or EMP).
Will look at a combination of further reduced mobility, shield performance (perhaps a 'fortress-shield-lite' for the Clam) - and reduced armour for the Boxenstein. Let me know if you have any further specific thoughts.
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including the littlest issues
The Test mission has its tactical briefing copied over from the Hello Spaceboy mission and refers to a ship that doesn't appear in the Test mission.
Okay, funny I thought this was working okay for 0.7, will check and update.
Are there any plans to bring some of the Junk Pirate ships within kill-able levels? The Boxenstein and Clam are the most heinous offenders I've seen firsthand, with the Boxenstein having more armor than some destroyers have hull points, and the clam having a shield that shames most destroyers, I get that this is supposed to come at the expense of firepower but they're just so obnoxious to fight, especially when a mod like II gives them infinite HE LRMs in the form of ballista racks.
Good point and worth a look. My general view (pre 0.7) was that both ships are eminently killable, might need a check though with the updated AI and possibility of officer buffs. It's difficult to balance vs. all mods, but I can at least try.
Clams are an annoyance, but easily countered by e.g. a Lasher with LMGs sat right in their face. They are not so easy in a fleet encounter if you can't pin them down (which is sort of the point, but shouldn't be too frustrating).
The Boxenstein needs a good dose of HE to break the armour, and are vulnerable due to their lack of agility. Possible though that with officers and better AI that these are also a lot more frustrating to counter than they perhaps were (unlike, say, the Dominator - their jets allow them SOME mobility during a battle, so aren't necessarily hard-countered by e.g. ion cannons or EMP).
Will look at a combination of further reduced mobility, shield performance (perhaps a 'fortress-shield-lite' for the Clam) - and reduced armour for the Boxenstein. Let me know if you have any further specific thoughts.
Well I complain about the clam because I had one locked down in a 3v1 the other day and all 3 of my ships each overloaded 3-4 times (this actually cost me a wolf at a very precarious point in my playthrough as well) before the clam's flux started to get unmanageable, and the boxenstein because I've seen them tank so crazy amounts of damage back in 0.65 even once they get down to hull, and it makes them very frustrating bounty targets.
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Clams works like phase ships. They're infuriating to deal with but ultimately not decisive in the outcome of the battle, even in large numbers.
I also noticed the surprisingly heavy armor of the Boxer family, even tougher than some cruisers. The Boxenstein is more of a fire-support ship due to the weird missiles angle, while the normal Boxer is closer to the Enforcer in its role. Even though both of those have higher armor than any other destroyers, their hull strength isn't that great, they're also quite expensive to maintain and have less burn speed.
I'm not sure if they can be considered too strong. They're flying bullet sponges, very hard to take down without proper HE weaponry, but otherwise relatively inefficient... Maaaybe? I should try fielding a few of those to really see what they can do.
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eh, I'd say the clam has about as much potential impact as the new hammer, sure it only has the one missile slot but it can also get a few autocannons or something.
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Yo! definitely liking this mod so far. is there any easy way to tell the tech level of the ships apart by looking at them? usually the colors for mastery core and expansion are easy to tell apart when you see it, but these ships are so crazy and unique that i can't usually tell until i am shooting at them!
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@Network Pesci: Thanks! Will fix that up.
@StarSchulz: Hmm. I wonder what to say to that. Well, all the ships throughout the mod fall short of e.g. The Tempest / Medusa in overall power.
Closest to the Medusa is probably the Canebianco Pitbull, which falls down a little because it doesn't have the mobility. Most other PACK craft, however, are somewhere around the bottom end of the mid-tech ships in performance - with a similar mix of energy / ballistic mounts.
Junk Pirate ships are difficult to properly classify. There is a bit of colour coding going on between groups of ships - red for the goat / boxers signifies armour - blue signifies more higher tech for the langoustine and orca. Grey of the sickle / hammer are the grunts / cannon fodder. Energy / ballistics vary in no particular order based on what seemed appropriate at the time. Normally you should be able to get an idea of the ships role from the codex / descriptions.
ASP ships are all combat freighters - with the emphasis on freight - and some niche fighters.
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Found this guy on a P.A.C.K. base. The pirates are screwed now!
http://imgur.com/N2pOhtZ
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interesting, that should help when choosing to engage them. thanks!
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Found this guy on a P.A.C.K. base. The pirates are screwed now!
http://imgur.com/N2pOhtZ
:)
Just be careful you don't get on the wrong side of Angela Lansbury ...
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Pretty sure I've seen a station with a very efficient Security Officer. Quite the humble man he was.
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Pitbull(CB) has negative peak performance time! Amazing!
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Pitbull(CB) has negative peak performance time! Amazing!
Ha ha!
Oh dear ... I might try and change that ...
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Pushing out a pretty lightweight update content-wise, to fix some of the errors spotted and also to make things a little nicer all round.
GET IT HERE (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/junk_pirates_245.zip)
Also now should work with Nexerelin Corvus Mode.
Key Change Log:
- Nexerelin Corvus mode compatibility.
- Scripts now compiled in a JAR
- Strings updated, some completed and some changed to read better.
- Systems tweaked a bit to make e.g. rings look better, slow down jump point orbits and various other things as a result of playtesting.
- Canebianco Overclocked hullmod fixed.
- Civ Grade hullmods added to appropriate ships.
- 'Pre-militarized Hullform' added to various JP ships. Increased sensor profile due to bulky hullform (e.g. Orca, Boxenstein, Orcenstein)
As before, I thrive off pernickety comments and pedantic feedback. Hit me with the worst you've got.
Toodle-pip!
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Was literally about to ask if this was compatible with nexerelin. thanks!
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Have you ever danced with the Mastiff in pale moonlight?
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Have you ever danced with the Mastiff in pale moonlight?
All I can think about is the very large barrelled revolver, and wonder what Freud would have to say about that.
And because we all need pseudo-contextual splash graphics with no real meaning:
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So it turns out that a screen of 6 or 7 clams can throw up enough firepower to protect any much more dangerous ship from pursuit indefinitely because the clams themselves are functionally immune to damage and the sheer number of them prevents focusing fire properly.
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On the other hand, if 6 or 7 Clams couldn't cover a bigger ship, that would make them really, really crappy escorts. We're talking about the Monitor's cousins here, they're supposed to be very hard to kill.
I don't know what ship you were flying, but i know that Clams (or anything with fortress shields) tends to be allergic to rapid fire kinetic weapons, like MGs. The last patch nerf hit them hard.
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Three or Four monitors could do the same!
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it was a fleet of mostly destroyers and frigates, which is why I couldn't just muscle past the clams, and they were protecting a few other frigates armed with kinetic standoff weapons so I needed to get through them. ultimately I was forced to withdraw because there just wasn't anyway to go through the clams, if I brought one near to an overload the others would close in and force me off until it vented.
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Three or Four monitors could do the same!
No, no they couldnt. Clams have bigger needlers, more flux, and back up weapons.....a monitor has 2 small mounts and 2 flak cannons
Clams simply have to much dissapation and Elite NPC driven clams, suck.
Thumbs down on the current Clam stats.
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There are ships that are difficult but interesting to fight against, but Clams are one of those things that are just plain annoyance. There are no strategies involved in beating it; the only purpose it serves is to waste the player's time.
At least there are Monitor variants that can be flanked.
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Thanks for all the feedback on the Clam, folks.
Was trying a few things last night and - whilst there are alternatives to achieving a similar thing (e.g. time-limited fortress shield, flux shunts and no fortress shield) I don't actually feel they do anything that's going to change the balance sufficiently unless I completely change the character of the ship - and in that case I may as well just get rid of it or call it something else.
Reducing flux characteristics slightly wouldn't harm, perhaps.
The Clam is supposed to be an escort - a valuable, hard-to-kill escort that can soak up fire and let off a few Pilums. It's not, in truth, supposed to appear in fleets in any great number - which I think is the main problem (due to the frigate line-up - they are one of the most common ships in the JP fleet).
Whilst they are live, in a fleet arrangement - they should be an annoyance. Whilst on their own - they should be easy to pick off. Both these are true (survivability is great, but mobility is dreadful). Arguably Clams are less frustrating to deal with than Phase Ships, and in some respects they behave more fairly - unless, I guess, they appear in significant numbers.
I think a better solution would be to keep the Clam pretty much as it is, greatly decrease the availability of the Clam (treat is as a high-performing Elite ship, like the monitor or Phase ships) and introduce a couple of other frigates to fill in different combat-oriented roles around the gap left.
Notably vanilla throws up some fleet combinations that are equally as infuriating without specific hard-counters - Herons with helmsmanship officers backed by a fighter force; Phase fleets; Monitors with the right officers - many others I'm sure - so I don't think it's worth overthinking the fact that they are annoying and I want to at least maintain some clear diversity in the ship roles.
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I don't think you can do anything for the game throwing up exceptional numbers of clams but I would be totally in favor of a minor shield nerf and an availability nerf to it. As I've probably said before their shields soak up punishment that would have outright annihilated a destroyer before they give up the ghost and it's down to hull, and so they tend to bully AI ships around by merit of not giving a *** about incoming fire and are frustrating to run down in the closing stages of a battle because they just shrug off so much punishment. A shield arc nerf could work too, instead of a 360* shield a 300* shield or something to make them more palatable prey when you can actually manage to surround them.
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I have always regarded the clam as the JP's trump card: it finely treads along the line from annoying to deadly, like Turbot.
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Turbots *** me off slightly less than Clams actually, as phase ships they don't pump out constant fire while laughing at your feeble return fire, and their plague of drones isn't that hard to shut down once you can start really pushing in on them, but they're a pain in the ass to be rid of all the same.
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A couple of quick questions:
- Would you consider adding a ship retrofit/modification service a lá THI (and more recently, II) for converting PACK ships into their respective CA/CB/RH variants?
- I know the Grapeshot is primarily an anti-fighter missile, but it's an awesome general purpose weapon for frigate-level combat (pressures shields surprisingly well). But what is it meant to do in larger-scale battles? Supplement PD weapons in fighter/frigate defence?
Also, nothing says "deceptively dangerous" better than the Pre-Militarized Hull hullmod - really neat work on that one ;D
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- Would you consider adding a ship retrofit/modification service a lá THI (and more recently, II) for converting PACK ships into their respective CA/CB/RH variants?
Yeah, definitely been considered, but implementation wouldn't happen any time soon (if at all). I don't think it falls outside the scope of the mod, at all, but it just comes down to priorities and working on the things that either a) I enjoy doing or b) the mod needs. Scripting of anything reasonably significant falls a little bit outside my comfort zone given the limited amount of head-space / free time I have for these things at the moment, and I think (hope) the mod copes okay without it. Of course I'll consider it more if I get more feedback asking for this sort of thing, though.
- I know the Grapeshot is primarily an anti-fighter missile, but it's an awesome general purpose weapon for frigate-level combat (pressures shields surprisingly well). But what is it meant to do in larger-scale battles? Supplement PD weapons in fighter/frigate defence?
I'm going to level with you - I haven't planned things out to that level ;) - the implementation of the Grapeshot was basically due to reading about a similar real-life thing on Wikipedia (as fired out of tanks), thinking this was cool - and making the link that this sort of thing could work thematically with the Mod. Other than that, it's been some iteration over the years to what it is now (most recent heavy shift was just prior to SS+ integration, taking on some very constructive suggestions from DR about making the thing tend towards usefulness, and this is what it is today). Whether it works in any given situation is neither here nor there - it just is what it is :)
Honestly, I rarely get to the point of large scale battles so I can't even tell you how I use them ... (every time without fail; just prior to hitting that kind of level - I get pared down to a bare-bones fleet by some extraordinary over-estimation of my own ability). I'd love to hear feedback if you think they are great / rubbish though ... but I think I'd be happy if they didn't have a use in certain types of engagements (one of the goals for the weapon WAS to present the player with the 'DO I / DON'T I' issue, where they can be GREAT or IMPOTENT depending on who you are facing ...)
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I happen to love grapeshot at all levels. On caps if you have a few free OP and limited missile slots I will often fit it because why not?
It is unlimited ammo and good dps for a recharging missile weapon even considering it is flak. If i have say two small missile slots on a cruiser salamanders seem useless as PD at that level won't care about 2 salamanders but Grapes can ignore that and still get some hits in, and it doesn't need to be aimed making it good for the less helpful slots. It isn't consistently effective but lucky hits vs fighters or exposed hull can be devastating. I even use large and mediums on occasion if my build doesn't require the slots for it's core purpose Grapes are a nice, cheap utility.
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Thank you for the quick and earnest reply :)
I get you completely. It's not worth your free time if it doesn't affect you positively, no?
IMO, the current system works fine, too: if you can't find, say, a Canebianco Pitbull anywhere, it's okay. If you can and if you aquire it, then feel free to throw a topper and enjoy your fine new ship :)
I get the historical reference, too.
When I first installed the mod and saw the Grapeshot, I was like "Oh man, this has to be some entry-level joke! It looks unappealing, and it barely tickles my Wolf's shields!" A whole lot of playing later - turns out I totally fell for the "judging-by-the-cover" thing.
And don't worry, you're not the only one who likes to keep it small: My favourite playstyle is to roll around in a single finely-tuned frigate (big bonus if it's a Tempest/Hyperion)/destroyer/cruiser (even a battleship, but I do that in Nexerelin only, and only when I have Helmanship and Evasive Action maxed out. Even then, I'm still uncomfortable with piloting anything 'cept the good old Onslaught :D). Since it turned out to put pressure on shields surprisingly well (for me, at least), I'd pick Grapeshots over Sabots anytime. 'Nuff said, I hope :)
P.S. the larger Grape launchers have some untapped potential to them, but I can't quite put my finger on it. Will play around w/ them when I get to it, and get back to you.
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Content and polish pass. Appearance of Clams greatly reduced, and the remaining gap in the JP fleet has been filled with 3 new versatile fleet-players.
Feel free to feedback anything :)
- Clam frequency dropped like a stone.
- Satsuma-class destroyer added. Versatile JP Destroyer.
- Clementine-class frigate added. Versatile JP Frigate.
- Mandarine-class frigate added. Versatile JP Frigate.
- 13 new portraits, and Faction portrait usage amended generally to reflect and update.
- Supply usage of ships balanced.
- Military market added back to Glory, Karkov Academy changed to 'Military Base' (rather than active militia). Main aim is to make JP more 'viable' as a normal playstyle for 'Corvus-mode' nexerelin.
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I like that the Satsuma is 'inexplicably symmetrical' :3
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I just edited the shield damage value... now they are still tough but not OMG i need to focus my whole fleet on one tough....i think i have it at 1.4. They may have stolen the tech for fortress shields, but they are supposed to be a low tech faction yeah? Monitors are Domain era tech.
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@grinningsphinx: I'm glad you are able to adjust things to suit your needs :)
The tech level is ... Current? ... like every other faction? Just limited by availability and other imaginary practical factors.
You aren't, by any chance, relying heavily on beams? I don't personally see the level of resilience you infer, and regularly lose my own Clams in evenly matched, low level engagements against non-elite groups.
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Clam can push you away with its missiles, which is one thing Monitor can't do. I've seen Clams with Salamander MRM Pod in SS+ and oh god it's annoying. If you don't have 360 degrees shields or really good PD, you have to back off to deal with the Salamanders, while the Clam vents safely. And if you aren't catching a Clam venting you aren't going to beat it at all.
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I played a Junk Pirate campaign recently, and i've got some feedback. Early game was pretty difficult as the Nexerelin starting ship, the Clam, is definitely not a suitable flagship. The two newcomers frigates, or even the Sickle would be much better choices.
Breh'inni being so far from the civilized world doesn't help either. Also the fact that everyone will try to kill you because you're a pirate make a JP campaign a pretty rough ride. I also had some troubles finding ships throughout the game, Glory and Karkov rarely sold me anything bigger than a destroyer. It's not impossible that i was unlucky though.
Anyway, my feedback on the ships.
The Clam lost its fortress shield and its usefulness with it. It's now closer to the Vigilance than the Monitor, and given that JP already have the Hammer for that role, i'm not really convinced about it. Even with the good efficiency and flux shunt mod, it's not a very good escort. Fortress shield was possibly overkill on it, but FMR doesn't seems like an interesting replacement. Perhaps some drones then?
The Sickle felt like a Wolf mixed with a Hound. It's stupidly fast but lack manoeuvrability. Giving it a cautious officer and order it to capture strategic points isn't a bad idea. Otherwise, i gave it a graviton beam (then a lightning gun) to support from afar, hoping it wouldn't do something stupid (which it eventually did, anyway). I have to admit i didn't toyed much with those, as they were a surprisingly rare sight in stations.
The Clementine was my first true flagship after i managed to scrap enough coins in my Clam. It's a bit similar to the SS+ Tiger, or an energy Lasher. Which is why i immediately decided to strap Safety override on it. It's a bit trickier to fly than a SO Lasher, but i managed to make it works with pulse lasers and an Annihilator. By the way, a typo in the description, "manouvring jets" and two dots at the end.
It's sister ship, the Mandarine, is probably an even better SO ship. It's not quite as fast, but the weapon layout and respectable stats make it an ideal started ship. Both are even slightly cheaper than the Lasher.
The dreaded Hammer is back, not quite as absurd as the old one but still a very handy addition to any JP fleet. It's pretty much defenceless by itself and will probably die a lot when left unchecked. Babysitting a squad of Hammers is definitely worth the hassle given they can bring some dirt cheap medium (and small) missile support in battle.
For the destroyers, the Boxer got the spotlight for me. It's as cheap as a Mule, with the firepower of an Enforcer, flux stats better than a Hammerhead, and the armor of a heavy cruiser. It's one burn speed slower than average, and its few ordnances points can limit it a bit though. It's still a pretty good brawler, even with the weird angle on two of its hardpoints, and an even better fire support with the two medium missiles.
The Boxenstein is an all around better variant of the Boxer at the cost of being a tiny bit more expensive and slow. Like the Boxer, it can definitely brawl (a Blaster/IR Pulse/Harpoon variant can scare anything that is not bigger), but with its new weapon layout, i feel it's more comfortable as a fire support platform.
The Satsuma is a new one, and it felt like a low-tech Medusa. It's one of the most mobile destroyers around and can still bring a decent amount of guns. It's an interesting flagship candidate, as well as a SO ship, and while it can works in the hands of the AI, it's not as safe as the Boxer. Like all JP ships, it's a bit OP starved, but also very cheap to field.
The Turbot was my main flagship for a while, and the reason is its ability to mount a Typhoon launcher while being able to phase. Until the arrival of the future phase destroyer that Alex teased on tweeter, i think the Turbot is the only phase ship in the game (mods included?) that have a medium missile mount. Being able to sneak in all impunity behind the enemy flagship and backstab it with a torpedo is amazing. Without flagship, the AI tends to panic and retreat, leaving their vulnerable engines ripe for the taking for the rest of my ships.
Otherwise, it's a fairly unremarkable ship, very average stats, and while it's more expensive than other JP destroyers at 9 supplies per deployment, it's still in the domain of the very affordable. It's weapon layout can only be described as weird, and i rarely found an ideal loadout for it (Typhoon, backup Atropos and mining blaster was my build). The phase drones are very handy, and because of those, i suspect the Turbot might make a very good AI ship, even if i didn't tried that yet.
I wasn't convinced by the Scythe, it's an inferior competitor to the Mule. Extremely fragile, with a clumsy weapon layout and less cargo for the same cost. The only saving grace is its impressive speed, which is only interesting in escape scenarios.
The Octopus makes for an interesting alternative to the Condor and Gemini. The lack of long range support is obvious, and its frail armor won't save it once its shield is gone. But at 6 supplies/deployment, it's hard to find a cheaper carrier, and it's reasonable cargo space is still a welcome addition.
The Langoustine is the biggest loser of the bunch. Not because it's bad, but because i was extremely unlucky finding one. It's a shame, because it's my favourite sprite of the bunch, and it does seems like a monster from the little time i spend with it. A ship with HEF and a 1050 DPS built in energy weapon can't lie, it's good, it's a very frickin' good. Add on top of that a respectable armour, very good flux stats, incredible mobility, all of it for the price of a Hammerhead (8 supplies). Oh, there's also a medium universal, so that you can fit a Typhoon launcher there, and enough OPs for SO too, to give enough flux dissipation to feed the scorpion cannon. We may have a tier 1 here.
Now for the cruisers, the Jackdaw clearly is the one that bring the dakka. It's a broadside ship, although with generous angles, and it's quite fragile, making it fairly underwhelming for the AI to use. A pretty decent flagship, if perhaps a bit slow. You can still hurt really hard with its broadside barrage coupled with ammo feeder.
Its sibling, the Dugong, is surprisingly similar in stats despite the size difference. Its ballistic "left hook", while strong, isn't quite as menacing as the Jackdaw, but it compensate with a monstrous missile "right uppercut". Having so many missiles mounts of that size make it an incredible (overpowered?) fire support for the AI. As a flagship, you can open with a kinetic barrage and rotate with a torpedoes coup de grâce that will annihilate even the biggest capital ships.
And they are the same cost, 15 supplies, like the Falcon.
The Goat class is what an Apogee would be if it didn't ate its vegetables. Inferior in pretty much all categories, it's still fortunately a bit cheaper. The Goat "works" but definitely not as well as its vanilla counterpart, and its slightly lower cost isn't convincing enough.
The Orcenstein is a strange Dominator wannabe. Its armor is definitely not as tough but it compensate by a slightly better shield coverage and efficiency, it's also quite a bit more mobile. The main difference come from the energy weapons that replaced the ballistics of the Domi, and also a large missile mount on the front instead of the three medium. They still both works the same way, point at things, press the red button, watch the firework. It also have an inexplicably lower burn speed, which is compensated by a slightly lower cost.
Like the Langoustine, i was very unlucky with the Magpie, and couldn't try it for very long. Unlike the Langoustine however, the Magpie isn't that awesome. It's extremely fragile, quite slow (kinda offset by its burn drive) and quite under gunned. The twin built-in PICA are glorified pulse lasers. The Magpie can also rely on a single medium ballistic and a large missile for offence, which isn't that much, rear coverage is surprisingly paranoid though (5 small energy). The 145 OPs still leave a lot for customisation, which is strange given JP ships tends to be low on OPs.
Thankfully it only cost 20 supplies per deployment, but it's still a lot for a "heavy destroyer".
And now, the big one, the Kraken! A strange and interesting Conqueslaught hybrid. It doesn't brawl quite as well as the Onslaught, and it doesn't kite quite as well at the Conquest. I liked it, and yet i was disappointed. I wish it had manoeuvring jets instead of HEF, and an omni-shield! Yes, it can be offest by installing omni-shield and auxiliary thrusters hull mods, but it doesn't leave many OPs for anything else. I wanted to build it like an hybrid broadside, left kinetic softener, right energy killer. Alas, it doesn't rotate quite as fast, and its shield can't cover the sides very well. It still works, but not as well as i would have wished.
It's also the one of the few JP ship that cost more than it should. I feel it should be on the same footing as the Onslaught and Conquest in price.
The Orca is an intermediate between Odyssey than the Astral. It has the weapons to brawl, but lack the armor and flux to be a serious opponent. A low tech Astral that can bite, in some way. Still a bit expensive for what it does though.
I didn't really tried the Reaper. You don't bring a knife to a gun fight, a very expensive knife on top of that. Also, burn speed of 6, like all JP capital ships strangely.
Now the fighters. I didn't played a carrier fleet specifically but i still tried to field a bunch of those to see how they worked. The Spike is the closest thing JPs have to the Talon, and while it's definitely not as fast, it's monstrously hard to kill at 200 armor. And like most JPs fighters, extremely cheap to field (1 supply the whole wing!). Only 50 flux dissipation though, not sure how they can actually use their dual autocannons.
The Splinter wing is very similar to the Spike. Not as tanky (still more than a Gladius) but twice a kill-y, two vulcans plus a dual-mg is merciless against targets with stripped armor. And they come in wings of four.
The Shard is a distant cousin of the Gladius, but with only 1 IR pulse. They still come with one more fighter per wing and are cheaper to field. Also, the description talk about Breh'inni 2, which currently doesn't exist. A relic of the old times of Starfarer?
And finally, the Cleat bomber. A weird, twisted variant of the Dagger with a shield that can barely survive a single autocannon shot, they rarely reach their target if someone is looking at them. The good news is that their are freakishly fast for bombers, making them pretty hard to intercept until it's too late. They still need quite a lot of micro to avoid stupid suicides. Also comes with a tactical laser, which i'm not sure of its purpose.
Annnnd that's all! That was pretty fun campaign overall, even if getting to Breh'inni every times to buy new ships was getting tiresome. The faction could benefit from some stations here and there around the sector, to avoid constantly going back to the edge of the universe to re-supply.
The faction isn't as weak as i expected it to be. Some ships are definitely in need of a nerf (Langoustine, Dugong, Boxer-stein, fighter's armors...), while some might need to be buffed a bit (Goat, Scythe, Magpie...). And i also really wish the Clam will get a new ship system. Like i said earlier, drones could be very interesting for an escort, but its price should suffer to compensate.
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@grinningsphinx: I'm glad you are able to adjust things to suit your needs :)
The tech level is ... Current? ... like every other faction? Just limited by availability and other imaginary practical factors.
You aren't, by any chance, relying heavily on beams? I don't personally see the level of resilience you infer, and regularly lose my own Clams in evenly matched, low level engagements against non-elite groups.
I play SS+, and havent had a PC Clam yet, but i can tell you without a doubt that i have never lost the Monitor that i almost started the game with, and thats with an NPC pilot in it.
Elite Clams with level 20 pilots are simply ridiculous lol. They suck up the firepower of 5 normal cruisers.
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Sounds like the faction as a whole is fairly well balanced according to helmuts post.
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You know how it goes, think about tweaks your gonna make from a nice round of feedback - first thing you do is start spriting a capital ship ...
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BULLDOG CLASS
Big, ugly, and powerful - but a history of introspective and destructive design iteration means it is no longer the ultimate fighting dog that it once was.
The original designs were, at one point, best in class and this vessel was a key tactical piece in the Kollective achieving the segregation that they so desired. As the Bulldog saw fewer and fewer engagements, and the relevant technical minds rotted through generations of isolation, without enough self-awareness or foresight, the systems were (at best) never suitably upgraded (or at worst) inadvertently down-specified against a comparable machine in another part of the sector.
Whilst it does not compare favourably in terms of ordnance load or flux handling to the other key players in its weight-class - two front facing closely focused large ballistic mounts and exceptional all round coverage make it a very dangerous foe in shorter evenly-matched engagements against most ships.
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When can we hope for a .7.2a release of this modpack? Tomorrow night? Friday morning? (he asked hopefully)
That would be great, but I don't reckon I'll hit that.
Got sucked too deep in to adding stuff, and haven't even looked in to fighter rebalancing etc. - as well as virtually zero time actually trying out the new version.
I'll keep pluggin away though, shouldn't be too much longer :)
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Got an issue getting it to start at all, I know it's not a version error as I'm running 7.1 and this hasn't been updated to that yet.
Edit: Nevermind, looks like it was missing some files from an improper unpacking or something.
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Download New Version (https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/66536185/Junk_Pirates_255.zip)
NEW ASP-sponsored skins for:
- Hammerhead
- Vigilance
- Cerberus
- Mercury
All have shielded cargo holds (if not already), and a minor buff to stats.
PACK:
- Bulldog Added. Capital ship. Entropy Amplifier, lacks a missile mount. Excellent all round coverage from energy weapons.
- Canebianco Shar-Pei (Phase Destroyer)
- Wirefox (SH) - Smooth Haired shuttle. Lightweight and cheap freighter / shuttle. Perhaps a step up from Hermes in combat aptitude.
SPRITES:
- The Reaper sprite updated.
BALANCE:
- Ridgeback X and Ridgeback - system migrated to 'Damper Field'.
- Clam-class given a damper field (in lieu of missleracks) in conjunction with Flux Shunts in the interim, subject to further development.
- Nudged boxer/stein armor values down.
- Tweaked fighter resilience (Armor/HP) for the JP fleet generally to bring them more in line with vanilla.
- Spike flux stats improved.
- Welding Drone flux stats improved in order to allow it to actually fire it's weapon.
- Welding drone now regenerates from the TNT drone - The Reaper drone cloud can now persist over a longer engagement, without TNT drones having to be killed.
- Orca has been made a touch quicker.
Think that's the main stuff, although I may have tweaked other stuff.
Let me know if there are any issues!
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Might want to add a small breakdown of what kinds of boosts the Asp skins get in the hullmod. Also would be nice if they had (Asp Syndicate) or other declaration with them, to better them differentiate from their vanilla counterparts.
Besides that, the update is looking good.
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What's with all the unused bullseye skins?
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Might want to add a small breakdown of what kinds of boosts the Asp skins get in the hullmod. Also would be nice if they had (Asp Syndicate) or other declaration with them, to better them differentiate from their vanilla counterparts.
Besides that, the update is looking good.
Yeah, makes sense, will sort that out.
What's with all the unused bullseye skins?
Honest answer is that I'm not gonna have much time over the next few weeks, so deciding what to do with them (and properly finishing them off) didn't get resolved before I got this release out.
Options in my head:
- IBB Fleet
- Rare PACK ships accessed by THI style machine shop on a remote station somewhere.
I don't want to be presumptuous about suitability for IBB or the imposition on SS+ to incorporate, but there it is - they are yours if you want them.
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i like the junkies, not to play but to kill :) death the pirates!
good update mendonca!
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i like the junkies, not to play but to kill :) death the pirates!
good update mendonca!
Ha ha! Poor guys :)
Thanks dude.
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You know, I kind of just realized how much the Schnauzer looks like the new Centurion frigate in vanilla.
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I have no idea what I'm doing but when I use this mod I get a ''Fatal: Index 1, Size: 1.'' error. I'm using the exact same mods that I used for version 0.7.1a (and it worked then) so I don't know what the conflicting mod is if any.
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I have no idea what I'm doing but when I use this mod I get a ''Fatal: Index 1, Size: 1.'' error. I'm using the exact same mods that I used for version 0.7.1a (and it worked then) so I don't know what the conflicting mod is if any.
Hey dude, sorry for the late reply - not sure how
I missed this - would you mind listing your mods used?
I'd love to fix this if it's at my end but I can't recreate the issue here.
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Pushing out a new version because I've been messing about with it for so long - got it to a reasonable point - but now I want to go and play with Exigency.
Approximate changelist:
- Rebalanced following recent tournament. Current focus has been to shift credit-cost in line to normalise fleets. Heavy impact to the PACK fleet; not so much to the rest.
- Added custom sounds to all non-missile weapons.
- More work on the systems in an attempt to make Breh'inni, Canis, Ursulo more interesting places to be.
- Added number of new illustrations and portraits (still need to put some work in on these).
- Nerfed The Grapes (a bit weaker but approximately as powerful on a shot-for-shot basis, but fire far less often).
Probably some other stuff. I forgot to count.
Version checker might be broke for a short while; as dropbox took away the functionality of the Public Drive and I'll have to decide how I want to replace that in the long term.
Appreciate any feedback! Especially if things are broke! The Dropbox thing has been a little disruptive with the OP, as well, but I'll need to try and find time soon to sort it out.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/odgyf8ewtgz7k0x/JP_RC_260.zip?dl=0 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/odgyf8ewtgz7k0x/JP_RC_260.zip?dl=0)
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:o My grapes! What have you done with my beautiful grapes?!...
Tbf that needed to happen, their value for 3OP in long battles was just insane. Thanks for the update!
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PS
I guess all grape things must come to an end.
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When this is updated to 0.8:
The ASP are a courier service right?
Mind adding dialogue with station commanders so u can hire ASP to bring u information (update ur comms) -or- bring u supplies -or- bring u fuel while ur out in the boondocks?
Maybe add an ASP 'AAA' service? if the player pays ASP: change the distress call icon and dispatch an ASP tanker when the distress call is clicked?
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Maybe add an ASP 'AAA' service? if the player pays ASP: change the distress call icon and dispatch an ASP tanker when the distress call is clicked?
That's a kinda cool idea.
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Maybe add an ASP 'AAA' service? if the player pays ASP: change the distress call icon and dispatch an ASP tanker when the distress call is clicked?
That's a kinda cool idea.
I'd suggest a new ability rather than disabling the existing one, though, since making distress calls sometimes has nothing to do with calling someone for assistance. Making distress calls can also be used to lure pirates and/or to lure prey, after all. Calling A.S.P. Autofactory Association is less likely to be used for other than its intended purpose.
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Neat idea.
I'm still trying to play through the new game and get a feel for where this all fits in, but something like this could work (would probably have to 'handwave' some hyperspace communications to an affiliated fleet that just happens to be 3 days away and not 30, but yeah, why not something like this).
I am also going to be a bit careful with the way it all fits together, don't want to rush out a 'compatibility' update just yet - as the enlarged sphere of civilisation and the exploration mechanics are something I've been waiting for; and tie in with all the lore of PACK / JP specifically so now seems like a good time to try and take advantage and not just drop a couple of extra systems in where it doesn't make much sense.
Having said that; would definitely look to push out a simple update once Nex hits with a proper procgen mode; due to the obvious difference between a random Nex game and 'Corvus-mode' and the lack of any sort of conflict there.
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Looking forward to it, take your time though, you've set yourself some pretty serious quality standards.
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You could say that ASP fleets pass along information back to HQ and then determine if it's worth taking the request for fuel, since the player is most likely going to be requesting fuel in some far-off places. That's just a lore-wise explanation anyway.
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Thanks for the testimonials, I really needed that laugh today.
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I miss this mod it was great fun, one of the first mods I slapped on to Star Sector
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I miss this mod it was great fun, one of the first mods I slapped on to Star Sector
Thanks for the kind words!
Hopefully I'll get some time in the next couple of weeks to genuinely get in to the compatibility and balance updates done for 0.8.1.
Still not sure how the campaign content is going to end up - and I don't feel particularly confident in fighter balance generally, but I'll do my best to get something out that is fun.
Also; 6 year old thread. Blimey; apparently this is traditionally an 'IRON' anniversary. Feels like this has to be reflected in the update somehow ...
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Yo Mendonca, still planning to update this? I need that Dewgong back in my life
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Yeah, still planning to do so.
Sorry I can't give an ETA just yet, in all honesty I haven't found the time to even start real work on the update.
Will give an update when I'm closer to knowing what I'm doing.
Thanks for the interest, though, it's appreciated.
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Stumbled across some development sketches from 2013 ... thought they were pretty funny ... especially the PACK name brainstorming ...
(http://i.imgur.com/9XPYNdd.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/8Hb9Lqq.png)
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all part of the creative process, start with chunky and then wittle and refine ;D
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Hopefully this mod would be updated soon
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Hey Mendonca, any chance we'll have some space pirates/courriers/dogs update fairly soon? I'm missing them.
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Hey HELMUT, I think it might actually happen - like - fairly soon. As in, totally non-specific timeframe, but it moves.
Difficult to commit or even estimate, but the summer has gone away and I've just recently had a few chances to actively work on it again, - and assuming I manage to get everything in order prior to getting completely sidetracked by other things that happen 'out there' - I think we should get there in a reasonable timeframe.
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Hey HELMUT, I think it might actually happen - like - fairly soon. As in, totally non-specific timeframe, but it moves.
Difficult to commit or even estimate, but the summer has gone away and I've just recently had a few chances to actively work on it again, - and assuming I manage to get everything in order prior to getting completely sidetracked by other things that happen 'out there' - I think we should get there in a reasonable timeframe.
People would prob be content to just have it working, rather than having new stuff.
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People would prob be content to just have it working, rather than having new stuff.
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I agree with this compatibility is always preferred to new stuff because then people have the mod so there isn't any pressure to finish off new stuff to release the update.
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People would prob be content to just have it working, rather than having new stuff.
I agree with this compatibility is always preferred to new stuff because then people have the mod so there isn't any pressure to finish off new stuff to release the update.
Thanks guys, yeah that's generally where I'm working towards. It doesn't run yet, but most of the pieces should be in place now to just work through a load of errors when trying to load the game - also new content is in some respects unavoidable what with the drone / fighter changes etc. and this will necessarily need a bit of playtesting / checking prior to pushing it out so it's not completely unplayable at day zero.
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Nice to hear about progress, will be fun again to shoot some junk rats out of the system :)
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I always did like the look of Junk Pirates. :) Did you know they were the first Starsector mod I was ever shown, way back when I first encountered the game in like 2011? And yet I've never played with them myself, even though I adore the concepts for some of the ships. Definitely staying posted!
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Great news, Junk Pirates are lit!
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(https://i.imgur.com/9dkO0yC.png) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/4jx3a0taahvbe40/JP_RC_270.zip?dl=0)
Click the picture above for download. (https://www.dropbox.com/s/4jx3a0taahvbe40/JP_RC_270.zip?dl=0)
Now featuring:
SOUNDS from MesoTroniK (significantly improved custom weapon sounds)
MUSIC from Versus The Ghost (https://versustheghost.bandcamp.com/)
Please keep away from the Kraken.
This represents the first public release for 0.8.1a, picks up compatibility with Version Checker and contains lots of small changes.
Please feel free to leave all kinds of feedback, and even if you are not interested in the mod, do check out the music. It's cool.
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A MIRACLE HAS HAPPEN! REJOICE MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS! REJOICE WITH HAPPINESS!
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Great news! I was missing this graphical style! Will (re)try it soon!
The number of skins fo each ship is pretty impressive!
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Oh man! Ohmanohmanohman! This is happening!!!
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Just about broke my mouse smashing that DL button haha
Edit: does this work with DynaSector?
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Edit: does this work with DynaSector?
Hi 2_Wycked, I think it should work okay with DynaSector, but admittedly haven't played enough at 0.8.1a with DynaSector enabled to give any specific guarantees.
Please do let me know if you have any problems though, and if there are issues I'll resolve anything at my end as soon as I can.
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I played with DS enabled for a bit and didnt see problems any but I dont think i actually saw any JP/PACK ships at all. Is there a specific market/system I can grab em at?
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I played with DS enabled for a bit and didnt see problems any but I dont think i actually saw any JP/PACK ships at all. Is there a specific market/system I can grab em at?
There are (at least) two systems that come with those two. I forget where they are exactly, but I thing it's up around Yma. The systems are largely JP/Pack systems.
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Great to see junkys back!
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OH YOU GLOARIOUS JUNK-FUNKY-BLAGGARDS!!! WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! YOU'RE BACK!!!
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Been waiting for this mod to be updated for 0.8! Welp, time for a new game.
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I played with DS enabled for a bit and didnt see problems any but I dont think i actually saw any JP/PACK ships at all. Is there a specific market/system I can grab em at?
There are (at least) two systems that come with those two. I forget where they are exactly, but I thing it's up around Yma. The systems are largely JP/Pack systems.
Good lookin out homie!
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(https://i.imgur.com/yzYOzfd.png) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipacv002u40fy9p/JP_RC_271.zip?dl=0)
Download 2.7.1 (https://www.dropbox.com/s/ipacv002u40fy9p/JP_RC_271.zip?dl=0)
Key Changes:
- Cleat wing weaponry changed (bye bye reapers, hello Plan-D, a re-purposed escape pod)
- Vanilla music reintroduced to playlist in campaign
- FELIX and Insult Drone tweaked to better behaviour
- FELIX drone added fighter flare launcher
- Constrictor wing sabot count reduced markedly
As usual feel free to leave feedback or let me know any issues.
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Great, keep it up.
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Just a minor pre-tourney check on PACK skins costs (some hadn't caught up properly after the first tournament)
DOWNLOAD (https://www.dropbox.com/s/6jziyovi2wjb7xy/JP_RC_272.zip?dl=0)
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So this affects only the money cost of custom skins? Save-compatible and all?
Yeah that's right.
Essentially the 'bigger' Rothund / Canebianco / Caomarelo skins were still sitting at the same credit-cost as they were prior to the debacle that was the First Tournament; which brought to the fore the unfair and uncompetitive pricing strategies at play with the P.A.C.K.
I guess it's not really much of an issue for single player play - as the credit cost of stuff isn't really that finely balanced up to a certain point; but when looking at it under the microscope of a Tournament which depends almost entirely on the credit costs - I felt it was important to align these as best as I could.
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(Exited but late reply)
WOO, watch out galaxy, the ECNV Prometheus has returned! (Red version of PACK battleship, cant recall the name)
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Junk Pirates mod crashes my game after few hours when saving the game. No error message in log, it just stops writing log at "Saving stage 1" and crashes. I have over 30 mods active with no issues and disabling this mod solved my problem. I played another 20 hours just to be sure. I am using latest game and I am no beginner in modding.
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I can confirm the above, when I played a few months ago I had the save game bug and it made me stop playing, this mod was the only mod that I didn’t take from my last mod list (plus a few more) (which was just plain luck I suppose) and no save bug
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Hey thanks for letting me know.
Are you able to provide any further information? I would love to know if this is the case for people running 3 or 4 mods.
30 or 31 mods; just seems possible that a critical memory boundary is being stepped across???
I don’t *think* there is anything complicated enough in his mod to e.g. cause a memory leak or some such - and there is certainly no significant novel scripting in place.
I’m certainly not dismissing any mistakes on my part; but there is fairly limited info for me to act on there.
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I could give my mod list if that would help, (try to from memory anyways). I have more mods then last time though so it shouldn’t be a memory thing as far as I’m aware
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I can tell you now that this is not a Junk Pirates bug. It's a known bug that occurs when running many combination of mods, and we don't really know why it happens. When and why seem to be wholly random.
The general advice for avoiding the issue is, when saving, to use the "Save Copy" option, as it skips the "Backing Up Save" step that the game hang occurs at.
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I can tell you now that this is not a Junk Pirates bug. It's a known bug that occurs when running many combination of mods, and we don't really know why it happens. When and why seem to be wholly random.
It acts like an automatic garbage collector hang; multi-threading deadlock don't need hours of runtime to set up a test. The surprising thing is that it takes mods to trigger it.
Sufficient mod list to trigger: only Nexerilin and DynaSector combined. No others required. On the system I have SS installed on; I just have to allow the game to run continually for 4 or 5 hours and the next quicksave will fry with 100% reliability.
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I can tell you now that this is not a Junk Pirates bug.
Sorry to disappoint you bro, but it's happening only with this mod for me. Before I started my post here, I made sure of it. It's happening also when I reduce my mod list to 1/3. I can play with 30 mods enabled no problem, Nexerelin, Dynasector also and I save only quicksaves and have no crashes.
Mendonca, sorry for not including more details on the problem, but there is literally nothing about it in logs.
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What are your system specs?
How much ram are you allocating?
Are you doing anything else like changing the Xstream .jar etc?
What is your mod list?
Junk Pirates is a well made mod, and if you want more help having that info is what it will take and without it no one can provide anything useful.
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What are your system specs?
Intel Core i5 2500K
16GB DDR3
2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
How much ram are you allocating?
-Xms4096m -Xmx4096m -Xss2048k
Are you doing anything else like changing the Xstream .jar etc?
No.
What is your mod list?
Arsenal Expansion 1.4.7
Audio Plus
Autosave
Blackrock Drive Yards
Combat Alarm Sounds
Combat Chatter
Common Radar
DIABLEAVIONICS
DisassembleReassemble_v0.10
DynaSector
Foundation Of Borken
Galatia Complete
GraphicsLib
Interstellar Imperium
LazyLib
Leading Pip
Looters
Metelson
Neutrino corp
New Galactic Order 1.06b
Nexerelin
Portrait pack
Rebalanced Pilums
Ship and Weapon Pack
Templars
The Vass
Tiandong Heavy Industries 1.1.2
Tore Up Plenty
Underworld
UnknownSkies
UpgradedRotaryWeapons
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What are your system specs?
Intel Core i5 2500K
16GB DDR3
2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
How much ram are you allocating?
-Xms4096m -Xmx4096m -Xss2048k
There is your problem. Not allocating enough RAM. Give it 6 gigs and see what happens
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What are your system specs?
Intel Core i5 2500K
16GB DDR3
2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
How much ram are you allocating?
-Xms4096m -Xmx4096m -Xss2048k
There is your problem. Not allocating enough RAM. Give it 6 gigs and see what happens
A other problem, he have the Looters mods who do not exist anymore(The mod have be merged with a another). But this is not linked to the current problem. Just for say to Midnight kitnuse.
Sorry.
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Well if this is for sure not a junk pirate thing (and it just so happens that I got a weird combo awhile back) then I’m more than happy to enjoy this mod again because I’ve missed it a ton >.< thank you for correcting my assumptions
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A other problem, he have the Looters mods who do not exist anymore(The mod have be merged with a another). But this is not linked to the current problem. Just for say to Midnight kitnuse.
Sorry.
Yeah, I used your looters as a base for my mod, so there is no original content anymore in that folder. I shouldn't include it in the list. My bad.
Also Tiandong is made compatible with 8.1 by me and works OK. But all of this are just irrelevant things.
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Intel Core i5 2500K
16GB DDR3
2047MB NVIDIA GeForce GTX 670
-Xms4096m -Xmx4096m -Xss2048k
Arsenal Expansion 1.4.7
Audio Plus
Autosave
Blackrock Drive Yards
Combat Alarm Sounds
Combat Chatter
Common Radar
DIABLEAVIONICS
DisassembleReassemble_v0.10
DynaSector
Foundation Of Borken
Galatia Complete
GraphicsLib
Interstellar Imperium
LazyLib
Leading Pip
Looters
Metelson
Neutrino corp
New Galactic Order 1.06b
Nexerelin
Portrait pack
Rebalanced Pilums
Ship and Weapon Pack
Templars
The Vass
Tiandong Heavy Industries 1.1.2
Tore Up Plenty
Underworld
UnknownSkies
UpgradedRotaryWeapons
OK, I can tell you your problems quite easily my friend.
Allocate 6 gigs of ram, not 4, you have 16 total in your system anyways. Do not modify the Xss parameter either. So your pertinent section of vaparams will look like this:
-Xms6144m -Xmx6144m -Xss1024k
That is a lot of mods and your problem is likely three fold. Not enough allocated ram and messing with Xss, and here is the kicker. You have a video card with 2 gigs of vram when your mod list will use approximatley 1750 + the operating system itself and any other programs you use will go over 2 gigs fairly easily.
So you need to remove some mods or disable GraphicsLib shaders. Whatever you prefer, less content or less eye candy but you *must* reduce vram usage along with the vparams changes I recommended.
Also Tiandong is made compatible with 8.1 by me and works OK. But all of this are just irrelevant things.
I uh really, don't care to imagine all the possible problems you created by doing a simple update of THI to make it "work" in 0.8x...
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Thank you, I will try to run the game with your recommended settings and will try also Junk Pirates next week and will see what happens. Going over videoram capacity is NO problem at all. I play GTA V with settings about 3.6GB and have zero crashes and with other games also. Textures must load from somewhere else then. I don't really care how it works, when it works.
I uh really, don't care to imagine all the possible problems you created by doing a simple update of THI to make it "work" in 0.8x...
Sorry to scare you bro, but you know, waiting for you to update is pain. ;-)
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How SS works is not the same as most games when it comes to ram and vram use.
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(https://i.imgur.com/vwTVmpC.jpg) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/lbyevds01l5rd8r/JP_RC_281.zip?dl=0)
JUNK PIRATES v2.8.1
(click the image for download)
THE HOUNDS OF LOVE
featuring
5 new PACK fighter classes;
(https://i.imgur.com/SvIyDn0.png)
MITYA, ALYOSHA and IVAN - the generalist GUNSHIPS (Green, Red and Blue - Bomber; Kinetic support fighter; Interceptor)
OBLONSKY and LEVIN - the weak and the strong GUNSHIPS
2 new PACK Carriers;
The Spinone:
(https://i.imgur.com/uSDuVin.png)
3 wings and a fighter-mobility increasing ship system
The Griffon Fauve de Bretagne (GFB):
(https://i.imgur.com/rkUo3tV.png)
Capable destroyer-sized combat carrier with a built-in Ivan-wing and a 'Keflusker' burn-drive system.
REBALANCED and NEW / TWEAKED SPRITES for fighters; for all factions.
Major change to ASP constrictor; JP fighters brought more in line with Vanilla-standard.
(https://i.imgur.com/kxlSfaf.png)
And surely some other things since last time I posted an update ...
LET THE FEEDBACK COMMENCE
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(https://i.imgur.com/4ViL2ht.jpg) (https://www.dropbox.com/s/eu7irtjf554gdc2/JP_RC_300.zip?dl=0)
click image for download
JUNK PIRATES 3.00 - FIRST STEPS
First pass at 0.9.0a compatibility
Including wide-ranging update to ASP Syndicate Sprites including 2 new main ships and a support fighter wing;
King Cobra
Capital Explorer with 4 fighter bays. Minimal logistical support - but low offensive combat efficacy (outside fighter capability)
Hognose
Light Carrier / Freighter
Death Rattle
Support Fighter; 2 to a wing; built-in Flak Cannon - provided as the first built-in wing to the new King Cobra
(https://i.imgur.com/5M5v74b.png)
Rough Changelog:
Spoiler
-Retired conditions / industries - Active Militia, Cryoculture, Junk Yard, Research Outpost
-ASP Syndicate general sprite clean-up
-ASP Syndicate hull sizes changed to better suit pixel mass
-Gigantophis made smaller and uprated to Capital
-Light Excimer dropped to 4 OP
-Langoustine baseline variants given a fighter wing (when did it get a fighter bay???)
-Muzzle flashes added to Scatter PD and Cutlass
-Mini-Ripsaw (Alyosha-wing built-in) sprite 'upgraded'
-Death Rattle support fighter added
-King Cobra Capital Explorer added to ASP Syndicate fleet
-Hognose 'Light Carrier' added to ASP Syndicate fleet
-Twin typewriter built-in heavy machinegun added to Copperhead (P)
-'Pirate' variants added to ASP Syndicate fleet (I'm making them purple no-one can stop me etc. etc.)
-ASP Pirate variants bare-bones implementation - Should just be 'rare' at present in standard ASP fleets - no extra behaviour in place
-General housekeeping to CSVs, Faction Files, Skins, for 0.9.0a compatibility
-Blueprint packages added (graphics on to-do list)
-Update faction logos / crests
-Shuffled the systems about a bit to better fit in with NE corner of the Vanilla Core Worlds
-MIRVs tweaked
-Ship systems upgraded away from deprecated methods
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Lovely to see this updated, but for those of us without dropbox accounts, that link wants us to sign up to download.
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Lovely to see this updated, but for those of without dropbox accounts, that link wants us to sign up to download.
just click outside of the popup and disappears, i will never have a dropbox account while they keep using *** tactics to gain users
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I tried it again just now and there was no popup interfering, so that's odd, but it is what it is. Off to hunt for bugs!
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Lovely to see this updated, but for those of without dropbox accounts, that link wants us to sign up to download.
just click outside of the popup and disappears, i will never have a dropbox account while they keep using *** tactics to gain users
Seriously??? I didn't realise this; time to migrate hosts next time round I think.
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Lovely to see this updated, but for those of without dropbox accounts, that link wants us to sign up to download.
just click outside of the popup and disappears, i will never have a dropbox account while they keep using *** tactics to gain users
Seriously??? I didn't realise this; time to migrate hosts next time round I think.
no need tho, dropbox always worked like this, is just knowing how to go arround
in other topic, i know that you are proud of the music track included in the mod and i dont want to disrespect you, your mod, or the music creator. is nice, but i think that is a little too cheerful, at least for me, and i want to know how to remove it
(https://i.imgur.com/2X00E5u.png)
i have to i delete exactly what is selected? or im missing something?
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Nearly perfect i think; just add the “music”: to the selection.
And don’t worry about it :)
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The advanced blueprint package for the junk pirates has the same ships as the basic blueprint package because it seems you forgot junkprime and just used junk in the blueprint tags.
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Thank you; you are quite right.
The error was in the plugin parameter field of special_items.csv - fixed up version HERE (https://www.dropbox.com/s/o20imo02doqaovn/special_items.csv?dl=0)
Stick it in JP_RC/data/campaign/. prior to rolling out a major fix (or redownload in a few minutes)
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It seems quite a few PACK and JP markets don't have basic industries like star ports, which cripples them. Since the JP are pirates they also get a large malus to accessibility making things worse for them. I have not looked at the ASP markets or any others the mod adds yet.
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It seems quite a few PACK and JP markets don't have basic industries like star ports, which cripples them. Since the JP are pirates they also get a large malus to accessibility making things worse for them. I have not looked at the ASP markets or any others the mod adds yet.
Yeah, thanks, and I kind of wondered how this would pan out - as well as my own experience this isn't the first feedback I've had about this. I'm coming to the same conclusion that this is not ideal.
I've got a few ideas to try and tweak it a bit without these backwater stations suddenly becoming fully functioning industrial powerhouses, but we'll see how it pans out. In reality solution probably does involve a spaceport at a minimum; and I think 'the lore' could accept a removal of hostilities between the independents and the Junk Pirates to free up a bit more trade.
I think ASP system should be a bit better; but these are much more higher functioning colonies (apart from Bear's Pit, but that's okay)
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Supplying the Bear's Pit based on missions is extremely profitable, and generates pirate standing to boot. It's kind of a long flight in-system, but there's less risk of being interdicted in hyperspace.
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hmmm...the way the games set up now, without a spaceport none of the other things that are built at a colony make any difference whatsoever. The very first thing that i build on a colony is a spaceport, regardless of anything else.
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Heyya, the game crashes every time a grape splits.
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288286 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at com.fs.starfarer.ooOO.I.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.ai.missile.MirvAI.checkSplit(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.ai.missile.MirvAI.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advanceInner(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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Heyya, the game crashes every time a grape splits.
Spoiler
288286 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at com.fs.starfarer.ooOO.I.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.ai.missile.MirvAI.checkSplit(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.ai.missile.MirvAI.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advanceInner(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
Hi! I've got a chance to test this tonight - and I can't replicate - I'm getting reliable splits from all three 'Grapeshots' in the mission / refit simulator without the whole thing falling over.
Can anyone else point me in the direction of what could be causing this? Am I being too simplistic with my testing?
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It might be an issue with specific target types only? I recall MShadowy had a crash with the Barrago early in 0.9a that would only come up when targeting ships without shields.
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The Barrago uses custom AI, and it had a bug / oversight in how it was coded.
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Alright, false alarm. I didn't realize there were some patches for the base game.
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Weapon Slot 3 and 9 cause a crash due to those slots not existing in -> syndicate_asp_gigantophis_Support.variant
java.lang.RuntimeException: Ship hull [syndicate_asp_gigantophis] variant [syndicate_asp_gigantophis_Support]: slot id [WS 3] not found for weapon [lrpdlaser]
java.lang.RuntimeException: Ship hull [syndicate_asp_gigantophis] variant [syndicate_asp_gigantophis_Support]: slot id [WS 9] not found for weapon [phasebeam]
Not sure if intended but a bit of feedback ~
The various stations not having starports in every market seems to make them default to the goods being sold there at immense value compared to other stations, making it easy to rack up vast millions rapidly by selling even just supplies there for 4-6x their stock price.
Not much else to say on that side of things, besides that crash and the market concerns
Fun addition to my game, lots of variety and a good feeling of history to the factions.
I was a bit surprised at first that the 'pirates' weren't hostile to me xD
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Alright, false alarm. I didn't realize there were some patches for the base game.
Thank you for letting me know :) I can relax a little until the next one ...
Weapon Slot 3 and 9 cause a crash due to those slots not existing in -> syndicate_asp_gigantophis_Support.variant
Yeah; I 'deprecated' the variant but didn't remove it from the folder - so you can still select it as an option. The easy fix is either not to do this in variant selector (great solution, huh?) or to delete the .variant file from the mod folder.
And essentially, the file won't be there, next time round.
Not sure if intended but a bit of feedback ~
The various stations not having starports in every market seems to make them default to the goods being sold there at immense value compared to other stations, making it easy to rack up vast millions rapidly by selling even just supplies there for 4-6x their stock price.
Heh; not *quite* working as intended. They were supposed to be backwater places; but the current economy is obviously giving them fairly significant demands (where perhaps I thought they wouldn't). Should have fixed that up in my version just by giving them a starport. It seems to sit them in a fairly reasonable place - perhaps they are a little more prosperous than I would hope but the alternative just doesn't work - without looking at custom industries or conditions - which I'm not sure how much I want to do without a great deal of thought or at least waiting to see how 0.9.1 pans out.
Also; having a bit more time to reflect on what is actually going on; I went through the whole JP / vanilla / modded faction baseline relationships last night.
Removing refining from Paddington (the ASP main base) and making them hostile with the Persean League moves them from being basically the dominant economic force in the sector (at January 206); to a little less significant. Their overall standing (and pristine nanoforge ... HANDS OFF) allows them to push to the top of the Ship Hulls market; and quite handily they also sit near the top of the Drugs and Organs market - without needing any custom industries to nudge it that way.
Also giving more favourable relations between the Junk Pirates and the Independents just frees up that side; gives them access to organics and some other key parts of the economy they were missing. That and the starports eases issues throughout Breh'inni.
Hopefully they should be more interesting linked in with the wider modiverse; a few more hostilities and alliances to mix about the economy as well as all the rest.
Got some more housekeeping type stuff to do and should get the next version out in the next few days.
Not much else to say on that side of things, besides that crash and the market concerns
Fun addition to my game, lots of variety and a good feeling of history to the factions.
I was a bit surprised at first that the 'pirates' weren't hostile to me xD
Thank you for the feedback :)
(And yeah; they kinda ARE pirates, if you are a Hegemony sympathiser at least. I think it's good to have that neutral starting point with the player - and then it's up to you - you can treat them as actual pirates; like any ordinary Hegemony Scum - or see the light and try and make friends.)
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DOWNLOAD (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_301.zip)
Junk Pirates 3.0.1 - War and Peace
Housekeeping:
Blueprint graphics added - 1 per faction - for the Blueprint Packs (Using vanilla 'chips' still)
Fighter attack run offsets added
Removed fallbacks from default ship roles to avoid future conflicts
Hyperspace nebulae around systems cleaned up
(Added normal maps for new ASP ships)
Design types colours added for factions
(Deprecated) Gigantophis Support Variant removed
Copperhead Sprites softened at dark bits; some extra detail
Hognose sharpened a touch at front.
Added description for Typewriter and Mag-bomb
Copperhead (P) increased OP budget; changed Brutaliser variant
Grape Launchers M & L mount OP cost generally nudged down
Fixed up junk_pirates_portrait_f_5 - wrong PNG format
Added muzzle flash / glow to PICA PICA
Switched out flat normal on Magpie for hopefully less flat normal
Music:
"Versus the Ghost" track shifted to ASP markets only
Economy / Politics:
Wholesale refresh of faction relations. Significance clear with current access / economy.
-Broadly speaking, tweaked only - but attempt to align with ideals and geography
-Persean League / ASP competition leads to hostility.
-PACK are a little naive; but optimism generally leads to better relations
-Junk Pirates' dislike of 'the man' reflected in overall softening to the little guy. Neutral with PL.
Christchurch; Bear's Pit; NOMDE; Ear Burns; Karkov Academy - Spaceports added.
Refining removed from ASP Syndicate / Paddington.
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Hello,
mod doesn't work for me I am not sure why. I didn't change anything in the setup files so I guess I am running with 4mb, but it doesn't stop me running the gamne with literally every other mod under the sun. Any combination that includes Junk Pirates with crash at campaign start with the following pop up replacing the game : Fatal : com.fs.starfarer.api.campaign.StarSystemAPI.addOrbitalStation(Ljava/lang/String;Lcom/fs/starfarer/api/campaign/SectorEntityToken;FFFLJava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/string;)Lcom/FS/starfarer/api/campaign/SectorEntityToken;
Check starsector.log for more info
I have to confess I didn't find the starsector.log file. I just did it again with just junk pirates and the three lib mods. I really don't think the game ran out of memory litterally 30s after booting up and when I start a new campaign but I have no clue what it is - I usually run 20-25 mods and never had a game crash at all, but I miss junk pirates I used to play with them years ago and it worked great back then.
Any ideas?
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Hey emeticus thanks for the report ...
It’s not something I can personally diagnose from that - without any better ideas I’d suggest deleting the JP_RC folder, re-downloading and extracting fresh.
I’ve seen other people using the mod (except me) so I think it should be stable?
I’d appreciate any other insight if this is a recurring issue?
(The log would be useful as well, if you are able to get it - it’s in the starsector install directory, just the last couple of dozen lines are normally enough)
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2313305 [Thread-4] INFO com.fs.graphics.TextureLoader - Cleaned buffer for texture graphics/shaders/distortions/ripple/0054.PNG (using cast)
2313328 [Thread-4] INFO com.fs.graphics.TextureLoader - Cleaned buffer for texture graphics/shaders/distortions/ripple/0055.PNG (using cast)
2313350 [Thread-4] INFO com.fs.graphics.TextureLoader - Cleaned buffer for texture graphics/shaders/distortions/ripple/0056.PNG (using cast)
2313372 [Thread-4] INFO com.fs.graphics.TextureLoader - Cleaned buffer for texture graphics/shaders/distortions/ripple/0057.PNG (using cast)
2313393 [Thread-4] INFO com.fs.graphics.TextureLoader - Cleaned buffer for texture graphics/shaders/distortions/ripple/0058.PNG (using cast)
2313415 [Thread-4] INFO com.fs.graphics.TextureLoader - Cleaned buffer for texture graphics/shaders/distortions/ripple/0059.PNG (using cast)
2313437 [Thread-4] INFO com.fs.graphics.TextureLoader - Cleaned buffer for texture graphics/shaders/distortions/ripple/0060.PNG (using cast)
2313450 [Thread-4] INFO com.fs.graphics.TextureLoader - Cleaned buffer for texture graphics/particlealpha32sq.png (using cast)
2313481 [Thread-10] INFO sound.O - Creating streaming player for music with id [miscallenous_main_menu.ogg]
2313481 [Thread-10] INFO sound.H - Playing music with id [miscallenous_main_menu.ogg]
2316199 [Thread-4] INFO com.fs.starfarer.campaign.save.CampaignGameManager - Reading save data from [..\saves\save_AlexeiStukov_7877768844152057107\descriptor.xml]
2323783 [Thread-8] INFO sound.O - Cleaning up music with id [miscallenous_main_menu.ogg]
2323996 [Thread-10] INFO sound.O - Creating streaming player for music with id [miscallenous_main_menu.ogg]
2323997 [Thread-10] INFO sound.H - Playing music with id [miscallenous_main_menu.ogg]
2324006 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: com.fs.starfarer.api.campaign.StarSystemAPI.addOrbitalStation(Ljava/lang/String;Lcom/fs/starfarer/api/campaign/SectorEntityToken;FFFLjava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;)Lcom/fs/starfarer/api/campaign/SectorEntityToken;
java.lang.NoSuchMethodError: com.fs.starfarer.api.campaign.StarSystemAPI.addOrbitalStation(Ljava/lang/String;Lcom/fs/starfarer/api/campaign/SectorEntityToken;FFFLjava/lang/String;Ljava/lang/String;)Lcom/fs/starfarer/api/campaign/SectorEntityToken;
at data.scripts.world.systems.Canis.generate(Canis.java:112)
at data.scripts.world.JunkGen.generate(JunkGen.java:37)
at data.scripts.JunkPiratesModPlugin.initJunkPirates(JunkPiratesModPlugin.java:34)
at data.scripts.JunkPiratesModPlugin.onNewGame(JunkPiratesModPlugin.java:42)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.save.CampaignGameManager.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.title.TitleScreenState.dialogDismissed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.title.TitleScreenState.dialogDismissed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.while.dismiss(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.newui.K.dismiss(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.newui.U.advanceImpl(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.Q.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.donew.advanceImpl(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.Q.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.title.TitleScreenState.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
created just now. I will delete and redownload JP right now as per your suggestion will let you know it if helps.
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Sir you won, deleting and reinstalling worked. I am delighted and ashamed in equal measures. Thank you!
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Brilliant :)
Thanks for checking that, glad it’s sorted!
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The ASP ships are some of my favorite designs but I can't seem to find any of the purple pirate editions. They've never shown up in any of the ASP markets, civilian or military, and they haven't spawned in any of the pirate fleets I've encountered. Have I just been unlucky or are they blueprint only?
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The ASP ships are some of my favorite designs but I can't seem to find any of the purple pirate editions. They've never shown up in any of the ASP markets, civilian or military, and they haven't spawned in any of the pirate fleets I've encountered. Have I just been unlucky or are they blueprint only?
Hey, I've just checked through the implementation and I can confirm they are currently blueprint only.
(I couldn't remember whether I had made them appear in ASP fleets at all, turns out I didn't ... for info they are deliberately minimally implemented whilst I decide exactly what to do with them; but in essence they are intending to represent the more violent aspect of the criminal under/overworld that is supposed to define the syndicate ...)
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Ah, that makes sense. I'll keep my eyes open for those blueprints then. Thanks for checking and for continuing to maintain this fantastic mod!
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Have you considered making the Junk pirates build "pirate" stations and raid systems like the regular pirates? Right now it feels like they are the pirates who don't do anything.
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The Bull (BE) (the one without fighter bays) won't build. You get the crew, supplies, and fuel but no ship and then construction rolls overs and starts again.
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Have you considered making the Junk pirates build "pirate" stations and raid systems like the regular pirates? Right now it feels like they are the pirates who don't do anything.
Having thrown out my old junky laptop, upgrading to a current-spec rig and getting some time to actually play a properly modded SS run has made me aware of how much just a little campaign-level sweetening can add. So yeah, I want to add something but not specifically the pirate raid behaviour - hopefully something a bit different. We'll see how far I can get ...
The Bull (BE) (the one without fighter bays) won't build. You get the crew, supplies, and fuel but no ship and then construction rolls overs and starts again.
That's interesting, thanks for the report - I'll have a look in to this one.
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Have you considered making the Junk pirates build "pirate" stations and raid systems like the regular pirates? Right now it feels like they are the pirates who don't do anything.
Having thrown out my old junky laptop, upgrading to a current-spec rig and getting some time to actually play a properly modded SS run has made me aware of how much just a little campaign-level sweetening can add. So yeah, I want to add something but not specifically the pirate raid behaviour - hopefully something a bit different. We'll see how far I can get ...
The Bull (BE) (the one without fighter bays) won't build. You get the crew, supplies, and fuel but no ship and then construction rolls overs and starts again.
That's interesting, thanks for the report - I'll have a look in to this one.
Mmm for some reason attacking colonies doesn't seem like a junk pirate thing for me.... Near constant raiding on trade convoys though. That seems like something they would do. Junk Pirates have always been "smarter" than your average run of the mill pirates in my mind. Like I could picture them getting together in large groups to raid colony ships, and trade convoys alot more than I can picture them bombing a planet from orbit or running marine raids to still tech.
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Hi,
I found a bug where the bulldog (Capital ship) never gets finished when building, it cost its full money cost every month, but it never gets delivered/finished and removed from the crafting list.
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Hi,
I found a bug where the bulldog (Capital ship) never gets finished when building, it cost its full money cost every month, but it never gets delivered/finished and removed from the crafting list.
Okay I've just figured this one out now - turns out a ship without a default_ship_role in default_ship_roles.json can't get through the manufacturing process successfully.
I've fixed this one for now in my dev version - I'm not treating this as a massive priority to push out a new version; but do drop me a PM if you want me to run through how to make this work for you individually (it's not a problem).
I may even stop this appearing as a Blueprint drop in future versions anyway (it should be gated off somehow; as it was with IBB; as no capital ship with 3 aligned front facing large ballistic mounts should be fitted with AAF in a normal world, if you ask me :) )
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I'd be bummed if I can't drive around a Bulldog or Bullseye, they're great flagships.
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(https://i.imgur.com/ONYVK2j.png]) (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_302.zip)
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Nexerelin Compatibility Update; plus other tinkering
Junk Pirates 3.02 "Sensible World of Soccer 95/96"
PRISM whitelist added
Nexerelin support update for all factions
Added greater variety of fleet starting options
Slightly enlarged Copperhead shield radius
Increased Copperhead (P) flux capacity; improved shield efficiency; increased radius
Removed (defaulted) 1 crew requirement to baseline drones
Updated default ship roles to allow Bullseye BPs to manufacture (if you are lucky enough to find one ...)
Most PACK variants cleaned up somewhat to suit new OPs / hulls vs weapons etc.
The Reaper standard variant brought up to speed with OPs etc.
Goat, Scythe, Diamondback variants cleaned up
Some Typos / Definitions fixed
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I'm finding it difficult to purchase undamaged PACK ships because neither Petra nor Christchurch appear to have military markets or heavy industry. Is this an intended feature?
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I'm finding it difficult to purchase undamaged PACK ships because neither Petra nor Christchurch appear to have military markets or heavy industry. Is this an intended feature?
Hi,
In vanilla terms at this stage, yeah it is. Would you say this is a problem for you? I'd be really interested to hear your thoughts / experiences.
I haven't done much playtesting in 0.9 looking directly at PACK and her system; but the thinking is really centred around both the lore of the faction and the dynamics of 0.9 with player-manufacturing etc. (i.e. at some point in a run it's really gonna be a non-issue from the player point of view. There is also a longer term goal to change this up a bit in a specific way, which I guess means it would be acceptable to patch it up a little right now; but at this time I haven't done that.)
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My recent PACK only Nexerelin playthrough has been a challenging fresh change of pace since no other faction, modded or otherwise, fills their plucky underdog niche. I think having to rely on outdated D-modded hulls is rather thematic. However, I have noticed a dearth of purchasable dedicated combat ships.
The Mastiff cruiser and the BRT destroyer are the only two pure combat ships I have seen for sale after a year of in-game time. NPC PACK fleets and patrols seem to also only field these two as their dedicated combat ships along with an assortment of the various PACK frigates and freight destroyers. Interestingly, NPC PACK fleets seem to use vanilla Condors over their own GFB carrier, which I have never encountered in the campaign. The Shar Pei, along with other destroyers like the Pitbull and the Komondor as well as Schnauzer frigates are similarly absent.
I assume the lack of availability of ships is partly due to the nature of the open market. At any given time, half of the Petra market consists of multiple copies of the various vanilla tankers, civilian transports, freighters and salvage rigs. While I understand the necessity of filling the ship roles that PACK lacks, in practice these common hulls can be purchased in much better condition at other markets. There doesn't seem to be an easy fix for this since these vanilla ships shore up PACK's smaller roster. The other market, Christchurch, appears to suffer from the same issues albeit at a much smaller scale since the market itself is tiny.
From a non-PACK playthrough perspective, I find myself very rarely interacting meaningfully with PACK. Their markets are relatively small and the lack of heavy industry makes it hard to justify the trip over. At the same time, their fleets are often severely D-modded, discouraging piracy for the sake of ship acquisition. This isn't a big deal, however, because it doesn't detract from gameplay and they still add variety to the ambiance of the sector.
In addition, while I don't believe that a modder is in any way obligated to accommodate the works of other modders, the steadily increasingly roster of other high-quality 0.90 compatible mods will make it more difficult to acquire a specific faction's blueprints in a heavily modded game. This is probably more of an issue with how blueprints are acquired in the base game, but there may be times where the player only discovers PACK blueprints very late into a playthrough or even no PACK blueprints at all.
At the end of the day, I don't think military markets and heavy industries are needed if they break the established lore of the faction. I do, however, wholeheartedly support increasing the variety of non-custom PACK ships that are available on the open markets.
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Hey, thank you so much for that feedback, it's really appreciated.
Yeah, I had maybe banked on the open market being a little 'better' than it appears to be (at least in terms of variety if not quality). I'll take a look, might need to try and do something clever (or dumb) about this.
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Hello! I've just completed a run in the 6th Starsector Tournament (http://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=14932.0) with PACK/ASP in the Underdog League!
I was lured in by the premise of an underused faction where the whole was more than the sum of its parts and I was not disappointed. I am aiming to present some notable facets of PACK/ASP to help other players enjoy this rewarding faction, as well as a few personal notes on balance
Due to the specifics of the tournament ruleset maintenance & base ship cost played a big part in decisions, as well as of course AI usage of ships so a lot of feedback is geared towards that. Actual availability of hulls beyond those factors is a minor issue in the tournament format, except where we nudge the tournament spam soft limits, so is not well addressed here. Tournament faction distinctions restricted me to PACK/ASP and weapons & fighters from any faction I was paired with, which specifically does not including Bullseye (BE) variants nor Junk Pirate content
PACK/ASP has a varied roster with a reasonable number of base hulls, which then often have hull variations from Caomarelo Arms & Armour (CA), Canebianco technicians (CB) or Rothund machine shop (RH). These variations should be carefully considered as they often involve different weapon mounts, built-in hullmods, OP changes or extra maintenance and can be significantly distinct.
Broadly speaking PACK has excellent access to omni shields with large arcs, high speed and also high maneuverability, especially deceleration. In Starsector combat these are important factors. The AI is able to use omni shields extremely well, with larger arc omni shields enabling potential close engagements against multiple ships relatively safely.
High speed & maneuverability let them often pick battles, engagement ranges or enable flanking
Of particular note is their generally high deceleration stats, which is often the biggest factor of how effectively a ship can get out of a bad situation. This is particularly important when reversing from full forward to full reverse in order to hide behind a friendly ship and recover flux. PACK ships may be individually weak but by cycling out their front lines they are able to absorb & dissipate exceptional amounts of flux on a fleet level
Hullmods
There are various notable hullmods to accentuate PACK strengths or mitigate weaknesses. It is no accident that many of these hullmods are available as built-ins for the various ASP elements.
Accelerated Shields (https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Accelerated_Shields) synergises with omni shields to greatly improve their combat effectiveness, particularly under AI control. An often overlooked factor is a de facto dissipation bonus since it inclines AI ships to drop shields more to passively vent. Often built into (CB) hulls
Auxiliary Thrusters (https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Auxiliary_Thrusters) increases nimbleness of PACK to extreme levels. Of particular note is the +50% bonus to the important deceleration stat. Synergises with Accelerated Shields to enable even faster shield rotations that no human could take practical advantage of but the AI sure can. Ships generally spend a lot of time not at max speed in combat and this improves every aspect of that movement significantly. Often built into (CA) hulls
PACK is broadly susceptible to burst damage, with their generally fragile hulls. There are various hullmods to mitigate this, with shield focused ones commonly built into (CB) hulls and a whole host of them commonly built into (RH) hulls. If you like a PACK ship conceptually but find it needs more oomph then do check out those hull variations
Wirefox
3 maintenance for a medium missile and a fast omni shield frigate with a medium ballistic. This is an exceptional fleet ship when used en mass or as part of a holistic fleet. The advantages cheap of medium missile access and also medium ballistics are profound
Wirefox (CA)
4.5 maintenance for a nimble frigate of the line. Yes a line frigate, despite its fragility. The additional +5 OP goes a long way on top of the free, practically required built-in Auxiliary Thrusters. Swarms of these can cycle damage away very nicely, particularly in combination with any fleet anchors
Diamondback (P)
3 maintenance for 3 small missiles on a platform with a blistering 195 top speed. Can be fitted with a long range small weapon like a tactical laser to play the ultimate game of distraction. These things can be extremely slippery while also having excellent strike potential via their missiles. Worth noting that their very high speed and relatively low mass will often see them take more self-inflicted harm from ramming friendlies than from enemy fire; could probably stand to have more mass to mitigate this common issue
Pitbull
8 maintenance close range destroyer. Generous 150 arc omni shield enables close quarters battle against multiple threats. Lack of medium mounts precludes engaging at longer ranges, although PACK generally has exceptional access to medium ballistic mounts via other hulls. Pitbull (CB) & Pitbull (RH) are notable if more OP or survivability for more cost is desired
Copperhead (P)
15 maintenance hunter cruiser. A 90 speed cruiser with Plasma Jets (https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Plasma_Jets) and generous flux capacity. Essentially an even lighter Falcon, that still provides cheap access to cruiser-grade hull range bonuses. Can use it's speed & capacity to bully smaller hulls, or fit for long range damage or dual role.
Mastiff
15 maintenance line cruiser. A solid ship that demands considered decisions on where to spend it's limited OP. Can be fit for tanking, ballistics support, mass small beam support or a High Intensity Laser but not all at once.
Gigantophis
22 maintenance carrier capital. Actual carriers are rare & valuable assets, as opposed to the much more common & behaviourally distinct combat carriers. The only actual carriers in vanilla are Condor, Gemini & Astral; Gigantophis is an actual carrier. Provides relatively cheap access to the exceptionally powerful one (1) second cooldown Recall Device (https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Recall_Device). This was showcased in the tournament via stripped-down Gigantophis with 50 vents and triple Longbow wings (https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Longbow_Support_Fighter_Wing), providing constant kinetic sabot close support pressure for the PACK fleet just as fast as the 200 speed Longbows could travel to target.
Bulldog
35 maintenance force multiplying pocket capital. Features the exceptional Entropy Amplifier (https://starsector.fandom.com/wiki/Entropy_Amplifier) on a durable non-phase ship hull. This is a significant force multiplier for PACK via damage multiplier of Entropy Amplifier, access to large ballistics or capital-grade range boosted beam support.
Particularly relevant in the era of stations as it can mount a Hellbore Cannon; 2250 effective damage from a Hellbore shot past shields will strip an Entropy Amplifier afflicted station's armour very fast, even more so with skills. Unfortunately I was not quite able to field one of these beauties this tournament, an oversight I hope to remedy next tournament.
The two front small ballistics turrets could stand to be shifted further back, or further away from the centerline or swapped to hardpoints. Right now they are practically immediately disabled if any notable damage gets past the shield from the front, making them somewhat of a trap to utilize
There are plenty of other PACK/ASP ships but I don't yet feel confident enough to comment on them specifically
Affenpinscher
Broadly speaking PACK has issues fielding enough PD, instead needing to rely on dodging or taking missiles on shields. This is exacerbated by fighters in particular, which can attack from unshielded angles. Affenpinscher is a built-in burst PD laser found on a few hulls with generous 360 arcs that feels like it might be a custom designed solution to this particular problem. In practice they are mostly mounted on destroyers and 650 range isn't quite enough to provide fleet PD coverage for the mobile PACK fleet. I feel like more range on the Affenpinscher could potentially contribute the PACK's more than the sum of its parts theme
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To follow up on fish's Bulldog thoughts I'd like to share some of my own from using the Bulldog as a support capital ship against the Dickersons.
Essentially the Bulldog is in the position of being a larger Mastiff, able to endure or deal punishment but not really both. In most contexts this leaves the Bulldog somewhat underwhelming as a battleship, with performance more comparable to that of a battlecruiser, but that includes thoroughly adequate agility. An extremely large selection of energy turrets gives the Bulldog an extremely distinct niche as a capital ship, being able to project overlapping banks of energy weapons to control fighter and missile swarms with relative efficiency that is sorely needed for PACK fleets.
For my purposes of using the Bulldog as a flotilla leader for light cruisers designed to break the back of lighter vessels, I fitted it with an exhaustive array of point defense weapons, anti-fighter weapons on the outer weapon nacelles, and standoff weapons in the medium energy hardpoints. This was intended to allow it to reliably zone out fighters and frigates, ensure breathing room for the rest of the fleet and while the battle didn't quite go as planned this wasn't due to any failings on the Bulldog's part. For the main guns I used a pair of Mark 9s backed up by some HE guns, a build again intended more to provide breathing room to the fleet than for breaking ships on its own. Finally the fighter bays were filled with support fighters of irrelevant type, largely an afterthought to be honest.
Now it wouldn't be fair of me to blast the Bulldog's lack of exemplary performance given the nature of the build I used, however I did feel there was a distinct issue that even with predominantly beam weapons and Mark 9s the Bulldog struggled very hard to sustain any level of fire. It also occupied a position where the entropy amplifier simply was of no use to the Bulldog itself due to the lack of sustained and raw damage, which is why I built it as a support ship of course. Essentially it had a simply stunning ability to respond to harassment via its grid of energy weapons, but solely two large ballistics felt insufficient to pressure any target slow enough to be a valid target. More importantly even the most flux-efficient build reasonably possible for the ship boasted...mediocre staying power. (Though I will say that flux endurance is a complaint I think I've leveraged against every capital ship at least once, so while I'm confident in the criticism in this case take it with a grain of salt)
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I think I bumped into similar issues with the Bulldog in testing and resolved them differently
Quite a number of its energy mounts do not converge forward. This enables careful mount selection to produce a ship that reserves it's flux for ballistic forward primary armament against single targets and only use PD flux when flanked or dealing with multiple targets. This does mean forgoing forward facing PD but makes it considerably easier to win flux battles against larger targets. Particularly true with double kinetic or a high ratio of flux into kinetic damage instead of other damage, such as Storm Needler + Hellbore
I combined this with Auxiliary Thrusters purely for the deceleration boost. The base stats are 50 max speed with 15 deceleration, so it can take a long time to go from forward to fully backing out. With Auxiliary Thrusters that's closer to 22 deceleration. Staying power becomes quite acceptable once it's enabled to back off & cool down
What I might like to see would be custom variation of the Entropy Amplifier ship system, for example setting weighted priority based on enemy ship size & proximity to friendly ships. Try to have it trigger in more situations where the pack will converge on a target instead of just the Bulldog's current target, which can sometimes be less holistically useful to the fleet position or a relatively small target
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Thank you fellas.
That's great feedback; it really helps to get that kind of context to help understand exactly what is going on.
I really like the thoughts around the Affenpinscher. At present it is just really a 'free heavy burst pd' with some tweaks. Increasing range sounds like a really nice way to increase differentiation whilst working nicely with the intent / flavour of the faction. Will probably need some other changes to make sure it doesn't become some kind of superweapon, but I'll mull that over and see if I think I can make it work.
Also on the Bulldog - again very useful thoughts. It gives me something to think about; and some very helpful context again.
It isn't meant to be a particularly good ship - but it's interesting to hear that it fills some roles quite well. It might bear thinking about trying to tweak / shift the focus slightly towards the more specialist positions; I might even try out Heavy Ballistics Integration to free up OP when using the front mounts - perhaps shifting the focus away from the front facing energy mounts more to naturally guide the basic builds towards a more intermittent engagement pattern. A custom EA should also work well; for flavour if nothing else.
I still need to catch up with Rd 3 & 4, but that's all really appreciated - thanks again.
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I really like the thoughts around the Affenpinscher. At present it is just really a 'free heavy burst pd' with some tweaks. Increasing range sounds like a really nice way to increase differentiation whilst working nicely with the intent / flavour of the faction. Will probably need some other changes to make sure it doesn't become some kind of superweapon, but I'll mull that over and see if I think I can make it work.
Setting the collisionClass to RAY_FIGHTER might be an option too, not too many things use it beyond the Paladin PD System and the ability to fire PD over allies fits with a fleet PD role. As noted would almost definitely need some balance adjustments alongside that
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Cool factions, especially JP and PACK. Felt really punchy and fun to use, loved the character.
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PUPPIES FOR SALE
JUNK PIRATES 3.05 (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_305.zip)
(https://i.imgur.com/DLQlYsk.jpg) (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_305.zip)
ROUGH CHANGELOG:
Kadur Compatibility update (revolutionary tag added to Hammer and Sickle)
All ship prime costs attempted to align with 0.9.1a vanilla levels.
Petra market - added Heavy Industry and Military Market to better populate PACK fleets, for now
Bulldog - Increased Accel & Decel. Added HBI.
Orca - Increased no. flight decks to 4
Langoustine - Supply costs and FP up a touch.
Ridgeback - Sprite touch up
Affenpinscher - range up to 850 and dropped damage a touch.
Pass through descriptions to update some outdated terminology and generally improve some grammar etc.
All variants checked and OP levels filled up where out of step.
All ASP heavy ships notated as (F) to differentiate from the fact that they are not, in actual fact, pirates.
New Pre-PACK Anarchist groups added, using variously some JP and PACK tech; also ASP (F) ships in places
New Proc Gen elements added; Pre-PACK Anarchist Groups can occasionally be found out in the wilds.
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JUNK PIRATES 3.10 - ELECTROSTATIC SHOCK THERAPY (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_310.zip)
(https://i.imgur.com/U9sM4il.jpg) (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_310.zip)
NEW IN: Electrostatic shock toys.
Kit out your favourite craft with chaff creating weapons!
Fire electrostatic shock beams!
Watch the carnage as arcs jump from all the chaff!
Laugh wildly as the new scrapjet random-damage missile misses your target wildly!
(Features new weapons and system conceptualised, designed, sprited and scripted by Vayra)
CHANGELOG:
Spoiler
Nerfed King Cobra (SE to 0.8, Flux Cap down to 15,000)
All rare_bp tags removed from Bullseye skins
Sub-faction for ASP; Familia and Familia custom industry a la Lions Guard (Implemented in Fireworks Factory)
Bully Kutta, a PACK Missile Cruiser, added
New weapons incorporated; designed and scripted by Vayra
- Scrap Nailer
- Scrap Cannon
both fairly lightweight ballistic weapons. Break up in to electrostatic particles on hit.
-Scrapjet missile; Awful tracking; High speed; Random damage. Drops electrostatic chaff on hit.
- Electrostatic Shock Beam; Generates electrostatic arcs. Carnage ensues.
Added in Anarchist Logo / Crest graphics
Dog box added
Sorted out Junk Boys, Hounds and Technicians in Nex vs. relationships
Pirate Variants for Bully Kutta (the Dog Box)
Phase Fields added to Phase Ships; Built-in hullmod
Skin Credit Costs - all round; lots of absolute values changed for mults to make sure in line
Change Tech of ASP skins of Vanilla craft
Typo in Junkboys Station hangar module description fixed
Custom Interaction Text added for Anarchist Camp
Overclocked (CB) CR duration reduction value reporting fixed
Outer missile slot - pitbull tweaked
NRK stations, reduced armour a little
Loot pass on anarchists
Drone defenders stopped on Pre-pack habitats etc.
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The code box in the spoiler is impossible to read; have to paste it into a different window with the way this forum formats it.
Happy to see the flying garbage bins again, grats on the update.
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he'll yeah brotehr
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also yeah just put the changelog in the spoiler sans code tags
heh
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Ha, oh yeah. I like to make things difficult for people ...
(Thanks for the weapons, Vayra :) )
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Bug report: the Mandarine currently has zero cooldown on the ship system.
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Bug report: the Mandarine currently has zero cooldown on the ship system.
Thank you. Brought to light a strange and unexpected re-arrangement of my ship_systems.csv ... really no clue when that went a bit wild ...
Will drop out a quick fix tonight very soon (small jar / not quite a can of worms opened); also with the Nexerelin Colony Expeditions enabled for the 3 main factions (something that never quite made it on my to-do list, despite trying really hard to remember to write it down!)
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JUNK PIRATES 3.11 - OBSERVE PRECAUTIONS WHEN HANDLING ESD (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_311.zip)
(https://i.imgur.com/U9sM4il.jpg) (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_311.zip)
Quick update to mop up some issues.
CHANGELOG:
Spoiler
Nex colonization added to 3 main factions
Zero Cooldown Electrostatic Chaff fixed up
Keflusker fixed up
Trilateral Augmentation fixed up
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I just found the Asp Familia Blueprint Package... and it had nothing in it.
Modlist:
Arsenal Expansion
BRDY
Combat Chatter
Combat Analytics
Common Radar
Console Commands
DME
Diable
Disassemble/Reassemble
GraphicsLib
Interstellar Imperium
Junk Pirates
LazyLib
Legacy of Arkgneisis
MagicLib
Mayasuran
Nexerelin
ORA
SCY
Shadowyards
Ship and Weapon Pack
Skilled Up
Starship Legends
Sylphon
TSC
Upgraded Rotary Weapons
Vayra's Sector
Version Checker
Vesperon
Everything is current as of this post.
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Kraken is cool, i like it, thanks!
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I just found the Asp Familia Blueprint Package... and it had nothing in it.
Hey thanks for letting me know, I appreciate it. And thanks for letting me know what mods you have active - but in this case it is entirely an issue at my end :)
Kraken is cool, i like it, thanks!
;D
(Have a picture of a Kraken ...)
(https://i.imgur.com/xWuY2Si.png)
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Empty ASP blueprint.
(https://i.imgur.com/hHwdnE2.png)
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Scrap missiles could use a bit better turning. They like to curve out a bit and then be unable to curve back in far enough to actually hit anything.
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Scrap missiles could use a bit better turning. They like to curve out a bit and then be unable to curve back in far enough to actually hit anything.
Hey thanks for the feedback - I'll have a look at this, I know exactly where you are coming from - I had very similar thoughts on first testing.
I might not change it though; as I did tend to think that they are sat 'just' before that fine line where they could go from being maybe-okay and tip over into being (RNG-dependent) exceptionally good in salvo situations - especially against the smaller stuff that this would then make them significantly more relevant for use against.
The chaos of the missiles not hitting anything smaller than a barn door is also kind of fun, I think. And the theme of the missile, to me, is all about chaos.
(FYI they are sat at exactly the same figures they were at when Vayra handed them over to me - which feels symbolically important in some way that makes me not want to needlessly tweak, but I will definitely think about and experiment with this particular thing)
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Scrap missiles could use a bit better turning. They like to curve out a bit and then be unable to curve back in far enough to actually hit anything.
Hey thanks for the feedback - I'll have a look at this, I know exactly where you are coming from - I had very similar thoughts on first testing.
I might not change it though; as I did tend to think that they are sat 'just' before that fine line where they could go from being maybe-okay and tip over into being (RNG-dependent) exceptionally good in salvo situations - especially against the smaller stuff that this would then make them significantly more relevant for use against.
The chaos of the missiles not hitting anything smaller than a barn door is also kind of fun, I think. And the theme of the missile, to me, is all about chaos.
(FYI they are sat at exactly the same figures they were at when Vayra handed them over to me - which feels symbolically important in some way that makes me not want to needlessly tweak, but I will definitely think about and experiment with this particular thing)
It was intentional! I swear! They're better when fired point-blank, or at larger targets near maximum range. ;D
That said they could probably get bumped another 5 or 10 turnRate without it breaking anything, IMO.
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Are Junk Pirate nex starts supposed to come with ASP blueprints? Feels like the should have a JP one.
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Are Junk Pirate nex starts supposed to come with ASP blueprints? Feels like the should have a JP one.
Heh yeah I noticed this. I assumed this was me doing something accidentally?
Thanks again for mentioning it - I don’t know right now what it is but it’s going on my list for things to look at for the next update.
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Hi. I have a question. I settled a colony in a fringe system with a nice terran planet and cleared out all the anarchist fleets. Or so I thought... One semi-large fleet keeps spawning every couple minutes and I cannot find the source in the system. Am I doomed to Anarchist attacks all the time or is there a way I can cleanse the system of these pests!
Edit: And I found the camp. I guess destroying that will do it.
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Hi. I have a question. I settled a colony in a fringe system with a nice terran planet and cleared out all the anarchist fleets. Or so I thought... One semi-large fleet keeps spawning every couple minutes and I cannot find the source in the system. Am I doomed to Anarchist attacks all the time or is there a way I can cleanse the system of these pests!
Edit: And I found the camp. I guess destroying that will do it.
Glad you found it! Otherwise I would have been confused!
(Notably the stations are a bit stronger than I intended right now; just be careful - especially if you have the nasty version - there's a level 20 officer sitting there and the mod doesn't do a great job of presenting the actual level of danger these things)
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JUNK PIRATES 3.3.10 (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_3310.zip)
NOT QUITE 40
MODERN THINGS
(https://i.imgur.com/vmGymk5.jpg) (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_3310.zip)
(Probably not a comprehensive list)
New Ship(s):
- Tangerine. Prototype Junk Pirates Frigate - top tier specs ... with maybe a few downsides. A sort of dark synergy with electroflares.
- Langoustine (P) added.
Reworked Ships:
- Orca lost Haymaker (stolen by the Tangerine) and replaced with Micro-Scrapjet MLRS.
- Satsuma; sprite leads to shift in weapon placements. Same overall outfit.
- Goat tweaked.
- Octopus heavily changed. Now with 'shield module'. I don't think it's connected up properly.
Nerfs:
- Orcenstein and Goat made marginally less robust.
Ship Systems:
- Mass Ejection Release Mechanism - MERMAN - now installed on the Kraken. Big retreat button. Dumps electroflares.
- Plug Jets. Mobility system. Dumps electroflares.
- A few more ships inherited both the Electrochaff and Plug Jets system.
Proc Gen:
- Several derelict Tangerines are available to salvage out in the wilds (mostly randomly placed, probably 4-6 but maybe less or more). One particular position is perhaps a little easier to find.
- Beacons added to the most dangerous Pre-Pack Anarchist Group systems.
- Anarchist Stations Nerfed
- Available zone of generation pushed out (to avoid possible clash with e.g. Blackrock / ORA) - makes them less likely to spawn generally; expected bigger impact with small maps.
Sprites refurbished:
- Satsuma; Octopus
Sprites updated:
- Orcenstein; Orca; Labrador
Sprites Tweaked:
- Hognose(s); Bully Kutta and Dogbox; Clementine; Madarine
- Sickle; Shar Pei; Spinone; Langoustine
New Names:
- Courtesy of the Glorious Trainwrecks 2012 IGF Pirate Kart, perfect fit for Junk Pirates.
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Spoiler
(https://i.imgur.com/199OnXe.gif)
Good update.
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The new sprites, the Octopus especially, look appropriately junky and really great. I purchased an Octopus to try out the new shield module. However, I can't seem to get it to deploy its shield in actual campaign battles. In simulator, the shield appears normally but when the ship burns into combat during the opening moments of a campaign battle the shield does not show up.
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Hey thanks; You know I’m pretty sure now you mention it I only properly tested the octopus in the simulator.
I’m away for a few days but will sort this out as soon as I can.
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JUNK PIRATES 3.39 (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_339a.zip)
NOT QUITE 40
MODERN THINGS
As I recall, on the Discord you state that this release "WILL BREAK SAVES". In what way?
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If you update this mod whilst running a live save - likelihood is your save game won’t work.
The things I’ve changed (ships, variants, weapons etc.) are some of the things that your savegame vs. new mod are probably not going to like.
It’s worth waiting to start a new game before updating, basically.
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My save seems to have survived, but I use no ships from the mod in my fleet, only a few weapons.
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OCTOPUS BROKEN
Just a quick reply to say that a warmfix is now out; uprevved to 3.3.10 (what it's not 40 yet what do you mean why would it be 40 what's 40 got to do with anything)
DOWNLOAD HERE (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_3310.zip)
Would have hotfixed and avoided bringing this to anyones attention if I could, but got unexpectedly taken away last week so seems appropriate with timelag to uprev properly.
CHANGELOG:
-Added SHIP_WITH_MODULES to Octopus ship_data.csv (oops)
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(https://i.imgur.com/VtT4Bjj.png) (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_340.zip)
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COGMIND IS YOUR FRIEND
Download Junk Pirates 3.4.0 (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JP_RC_340.zip)
Pre-Tourney Balance Tweaks:
- VIE Plug Jet system added; installed on Magpie and Orcenstein
- Tweaks to Plug Jet AI
- Tangerine nerf; upped DP and altered Haymaker (less uber-strike, a little more general-purpose)
- Fixed up Micro-Scrapjet MLRS overdone damage ... (well, changed it, whether it's fixed ...)
- (nothing else weird and creepy, not really, yet)
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Would you mind putting the gifs on the OP in spoiler tags? My poor 500MB mobile data cant handle it ;_;
Sorry.
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Would you mind putting the gifs on the OP in spoiler tags? My poor 500MB mobile data cant handle it ;_;
Sorry.
Sure, sorted.
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Would you mind putting the gifs on the OP in spoiler tags? My poor 500MB mobile data cant handle it ;_;
Sorry.
Sure, sorted.
Thanks!
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So I started looking into how various mods interact with Nexerelin's mining mechanic, and I think the Reaper's mining strength might be a bit over-zealous. ^^;
Figuring about 10 strength for the welders (that's 2 strength per, the same as mining pods. I really doubt these things could manage more than that) 15 for the TNTs (3 per, which is frankly generous), 30 for the drill (since it's a dedicated mining device, compared to 20 for the "proper" weapon that is the Hammer Barrage), and 16 for the capital-sized gantry (I've also suggested to Alfonzo that 16 is probably the upper bound for a capital-sized gantry, considering the Salvage Rig's destroyer-sized gantry only provides 4), that'd give us 71. Rounding that to 70, we get a somewhat more reasonable value than the current mammoth value of 160. This would work well with my suggestion of lowering the Fishkill to 16, since the Fishkill has the option to install lots more mining strength weapons and fighter wings, whereas the Reaper does not.
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I wanted to ask about the generation details of anarchist systems, Is it like the explorium with just a specific section of the map spawning them in or could they show up anywhere? I have been just roughly eyeballing this but it seems like they spawn pretty frequently. Would disabling the PACK stop them from being generated?
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So this might not be 100%, going off memory and what I understand the code is doing, but in principle it tries to find from 3 to 10 constellations; only choosing them if they meet certain minimum criteria, mostly around habitability scores of planets and suchlike; but also hard limited by distance from core (they only spawn beyond a certain point) and with a small amount of pure chance in there.
So you could end up with only three anarchist systems; or maybe equally likely 30, depending on which constellations the generator found; didn’t randomly discard; didn’t deliberately discard because of poor system choice etc.
When I did my testing and ran some scripts to find the systems; i was generally getting 8-15, throughout. These are generally bunched in certain constellations - and I seem to recall pitching them somewhere around 33% of the frequency or remnant systems, if that makes sense.
So you’ll see them populating several systems in a particular constellation - but there is no specific code that e.g. puts the constellations in any particular proximity (other than that inherent in the limits of the generation code)
Hope that makes sense ...
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I was curious why I'd never seen any of these so-called anarchist systems despite all the sectors I've generated recently, so I glanced at your source code and learned they don't get created in Nexerelin's random sector mode. I'm sure you probably already knew that though, and I wouldn't have even posted anything except that my research led to the discovery of a related potential issue. Basically, I believe you may be running into a similar problem with generating problematic custom constellations that I recently reported in another mod here: https://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=17362.msg279935#msg279935 (https://fractalsoftworks.com/forum/index.php?topic=17362.msg279935#msg279935).
Fortunately, the same fix that worked there (removing the constellation generation entirely and using the vanilla theme generator collection instead) should also work here. You would just need to simplify your existing generate() method in JunkGen.java like this:
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public void generate(SectorAPI sector) {
SharedData.getData().getPersonBountyEventData().addParticipatingFaction("pack");
SharedData.getData().getPersonBountyEventData().addParticipatingFaction("syndicate_asp");
SectorThemeGenerator.generators.add(1, new JunkPiratesAnarchistThemeGenerator());
new Brehinni().generate(sector);
new Canis().generate(sector);
//new York().generate(sector);
new Ursulo().generate(sector);
initFactionRelationships(sector);
}
And as with the other mod, you'll probably also need to add the following import statement:
import com.fs.starfarer.api.impl.campaign.procgen.themes.SectorThemeGenerator;
Anyway, that change should guarantee that the vanilla sector theme generator logic gets access to as many constellations as possible while also allowing your anarchist theme to do its thing...
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Thank you :)
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Is the mod supposed to spawn randomly generated constellations right next to, among and overlapping the core worlds? Is it related to those 'anarchist systems' I keep reading about? If not, I think I may have found a bug with the random gen logic. Tested with and without JP, definitely JP causing the rogue constellations.
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Is the mod supposed to spawn randomly generated constellations right next to, among and overlapping the core worlds? Is it related to those 'anarchist systems' I keep reading about? If not, I think I may have found a bug with the random gen logic. Tested with and without JP, definitely JP causing the rogue constellations.
There is supposed to be a scripted 'area of denial' with a given distance from the centre of the core - pushing the generation, in principle, well outside the core worlds and also outer-core mod worlds (e.g. ORA, BRDY which sit some distance from the core).
If these systems are still appearing around and about the core, it is definitely not intended and sounds like a bug in my code - would be really interested in any feedback you have on this, and thanks in advance for bringing it up.
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I don't really have much to offer, but here's what I know -
- Disclaimer: I do run about 80 mods, but the collection is carefully curated and from lots of playtesting I know my game is very stable and has no bad conflicts.
- I also don't use any mods that change sector gen beyond the normal parameters like Adjusted Sector. Nexerelin is of course present and Prism is always generated.
- My mods do generate systems further out than usual like Sylphon, ORA, Diable, Tahlan, HMI, BRDY, Arsenal, etc., but when JP is deactivated, the 'zone of denial' seems to be functioning just fine with respect to these further out systems and never generates a constellation too close.
- JP seems to cause generation of a sector with random constellations way close to the core, always closer than Sylphon's Rofocale and Diable's Outer Terminus and always at least neighboring the core worlds.
- Often random constellations will spawn inside the core worlds, even within and overlapping the vanilla core systems, sometimes literally at the center of the map.
- With trial and error I can get 'good' random gens with ~ a 1/10 chance. 'Good' meaning that there are no random constellations overlapping the core worlds, merely significantly closer than usual, and far out systems like Rofocale and Outer Terminus will still be further away than a number of random constellations.
- I'll attach some screenshots showing a couple of 'good' and 'bad' JP gens, as well as a gen without JP. Again, it takes about 10 fresh games to generate a 'good' gen, and they are rarely ideal.
I doubt I'll ever play without JP, since the factions are always such a feature in my campaigns, and the gen issue isn't a deal breaker, but it is hassle to have to make 10 new games to get an unborked sector, and it's always in the back of my mind that other weirdness might pop up as a result of the gen issue, but nothing has yet.
Hope this all helps.
(I need to post the screenshot individually, feel free to delete the other posts when you've seen them. I also needed to downres them hugely, let me know if you want the full sized ones)
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heres a good gen
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and a no JP gen
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another bad gen
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another 'good' gen
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I can confirm what PreConceptor is showing, it is also happening to me, and I run about 64 mods, some I disable constantly so about 60ish I'm very surprised PreConceptor can run that many mods in a "very stable" status
Feels good to know this is not garanteed and is random, but definitely problematic.
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Any news on a solution to the gen issue?
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Hey, I'm sorry to report that I won't get a chance to work on this properly for a while, probably 8-10 weeks unfortunately (there is some stuff going on at my house and I am away from my desktop).
Hopefully by the time I get back to the house I'll be able to sort it out relatively quickly, I'm hoping it resolves itself with the fix presented by Morathar, but I guess I won't know that until I get stuck in to the detail.
Thanks though for the reporting and examples - that will be incredibly valuable.
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So I'm running into this weird issue with the anarchist in a player sector. They are non stop streaming in fleets to track my own personal fleet even tho there is no outpost anywhere in the system.
I'm also running nexerelin, but I don't think its anything to do with that. I've never had an issue with this till this particular play trough.
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Whilst I try and do almost anything other than come to terms with the specific needs of my mod w.r.t. Java generally (and something I've just wanted to do anyway) I thought it would be a fun distraction to pull together the ship sketches I have done over the years ...
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(https://i.imgur.com/ZWZAZNb.png)
the Sickle
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(https://i.imgur.com/mSh4O04.png)
The Langoustine
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(https://i.imgur.com/6BkKPRD.png)
The Old Kraken
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(https://i.imgur.com/xWuY2Si.png)
The New Kraken
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(https://i.imgur.com/X5s3Sk8.png)
The Hammer
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(https://i.imgur.com/SsTMQmc.png)
The Reaper
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(https://i.imgur.com/VQd1nZ6.png)
The Spinerette
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(https://i.imgur.com/qVxO9B9.png)
The King Cobra
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(https://i.imgur.com/X4y5m5L.png)
The Caliph
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I have to say that, despite the sometimes overabundance of Pre-Pack Anarch systems that I encounter, this mod is still some of the best stuff in just how fun the ships and fighters can be. Oblonsky "Drones" are great even though I feel a bit cheap massing them w/ the 0 OP cost, the Spinone is one of my favorite 3-bay Carriers, and the scrapjet medium mount missiles are hilarious with their random loads. Great mod, blah blah, bless u
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Thank you for the kind words :)
Will hopefully be getting some of the rough edges of the sector gen smoothed out just a little, sort of soon ish.
Also, just if it wasn't clear, the Scrapjet is entirely the work of Vayra, and yeah I think they are great too!
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yeah, the rough edges getting ironed out would be nice, kinda wish i could get more junk pirates type ships out there on the rim from the pre-anarchs but alas, they're pack type boys
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Just about done with this update, I think, picking up from last time - not feeling too bad if I only get it out a few days after the last one*
What I've got so far, difficult to entirely remember but:
- Fixed procgen elements, as far as I can tell. Now populating / occupying in some way around 15 systems typically in around 6 constellations (for reference typically 220-260 systems in any Normal worldgen) seems to be coming out that they are touching 5%-8% of worlds. Should stop doing the stupid things it used to do around overlapping core worlds etc. Should be much less prevalent.
- Lower tier Pre-PACK Anarchists act neutrally towards player. Around 50%-60% of Anarchist procgen systems seem to be run by these guys.
- Tweaked loot drops. Not sure exactly what, but generally shifted things from where they were as and when I thought about it to try and make it a little better in Pre-PACK anarchist research stations etc.
- Added HVBs as compatible with Vayra's Sector. Brother and sister with Blue Tangerines.
- Added support for Commissioned Crews.
- Added 'Boss Fight' out in the wilds. Some strange things kicking around in orbit around Cryovolcanic worlds. Soft cap of 3; normally 2-3 per worldgen. Seems like a tough fight without bringing a capital or two. Can get a decent haul of cores. Gens in non-tagged or JP systems, should steer clear of any other procgen mods systems with tags. Hit me up if you want me to include any tags from your mod.
- New illustration for above.
- I'm sorry to say I have actually nerfed the Mastiff and the Langoustine, in the most unimaginative way possible (i.e. I raised their DP), but also did tweak the stats. Also pretty sure I made the Constrictor worse. Hopefully I didn't do all those things multiple times.
Going to ponder, tweak and test for a bit longer, but thinking will release based on the above relatively soon, to get a solid grounding for a few more releases / additions over the next few months.
*The entirety of 2020, of course, doesn't count
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(https://i.imgur.com/mCRcFI4.png)
Just a little bump for 3.5.1, now released, following 3.5.0 changelog generally as above.
3.5.1 CHANGELOG:
- Industrial.Evolution support and integration (including additional facilities implemented if activated; the Karkov Academy is an academy etc.)
- New Beginnings support
- mendoncaModSettings.ini; ever been tempted to turn off the procgen? Desperate for more stuff in your adjusted sector? Don't like either of the factions systems? Turn them off! Fiddle around! Break things!
- ASP Syndicate now spawns couriers running around the system carrying out various missions based on markets served. All above board, no money laundering round here officer etc. (requires elaboration on mechanics and intel etc., but they carry appropriate cargo). Can be disabled.
- ASP Syndicate value the courier service they offer very highly and don't appreciate people interfering with their services ...
- Some balance tweaks, additional small things picked up (BIG thanks to Avanitia for pointing out many things, some still on my to-do list)
- Spinerette power and loot buffed, simple measures for now pending additional design work.
- Addition of [Junk Pirates] to all tips and de-nonsensing them (to an extent). I still sincerely stand by the full AMB Aurora as a valid approach.
DOWNLOAD (or see OP)
https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/Junk_Pirates_351.zip (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/Junk_Pirates_351.zip)
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-+- DOWNLOAD 352 HERE -+- (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/Junk_Pirates_352.zip)
3.5.2 Changelog:
Junk Pirates Explorers added:
- Sit around planet thinking about what to do;
- Some go off and cause trouble
- Some go off to decivilized planets and have a party.
- Can be switched off.
Intel added
- ASP Couriers variously
- Hit Fleets; should you attract the unwanted attention of the Familia
- Explorers; if you are friendly with the Junk Pirates you can keep up with the various things going on.
As the ASP Familia are more prominent; have been balanced with better (combat) ships; better and more variants.
Few balance tweaks including Goat, Gigantophis.
Better variants generally (thanks particularly due to Vayra for the tournament builds which I adapted a little)
Deco weapons; little aesthetic touches on some ships. Boxer, Boxenstein particularly.
Lots of small aesthetic improvements in various ways over the sprites. Plenty more to do, but incremental improvements continue.
PACK MESH - new built-in hullmod on bulk of pack fleet. Supports mixed fleets; mixed hulls.
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On starting a new game with nex:
194149 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.findPartySystem(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:176)
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.findPartyPlanet(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:283)
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.advance(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:61)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.runScripts(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.fleet.CampaignFleet.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseLocation.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.StarSystem.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.save.CampaignGameManager.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.title.TitleScreenState.dialogDismissed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.N.dismiss(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.impl.K.dismiss(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.save.if.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.newnew.buttonPressed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.?00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.processInput(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.O0Oo.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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Same here:
725933 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.findPartySyst em(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:176)
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.findPartyPlan et(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:283)
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.advance(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:61)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.runScripts(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.fleet.CampaignFleet.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseLocation.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.StarSystem.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.save.CampaignGameManager.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.title.TitleScreenState.dialogDismissed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.N.dismiss(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.impl.K.dismiss(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.save.if.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.newnew.buttonPressed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.processInput(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.O0Oo.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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Thank you; apologies clearly insufficiently tested with Nexerelin.
Wonder what I changed since it last worked! Thanks for the stack traces - sorry it's late here will have to sort out in the morning.
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Hi, would it be possible to provide a mod list?
I'm trying with several miscellaneous mods, vayra and nex my end and seem to move into campaign okay.
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Currently playing a very modded game so I am not sure if this is helpful but before this patch it all worked.
{"enabledMods": [
"anotherportraitpack",
"anvil_industries",
"ApproLight",
"ApproLightPlus",
"armaa",
"lw_autosave",
"blackrock_driveyards",
"HMI_brighton",
"capturecrew",
"CombatAnalytics",
"chatter",
"timid_commissioned_hull_mods",
"lw_radar",
"COPS",
"istl_dam",
"diableavionics",
"DisassembleReassemble",
"edshipyard",
"XLU",
"fluffships",
"Aic",
"galmart",
"gt_galaxytigers",
"gates_awakened",
"HMI_SV",
"HMI",
"gunnyhegexpeditionary",
"hte",
"IndEvo",
"interestingportraitspack",
"Imperium",
"junk_pirates_release",
"kadur_remnant",
"kiith-nabaal-shipyard",
"LTA",
"lw_lazylib",
"leadingPip",
"ArkLeg",
"luddenhance",
"MagicLib",
"Mayasuran Navy",
"metelson_release",
"missingships",
"more_hullmods",
"sun_new_beginnings",
"nexerelin",
"OcuA",
"ORA",
"pearson_exotronics",
"roider",
"sun_ruthless_sector",
"SCY",
"SEEKER",
"swp",
"bonomel_skilledup",
"speedUp",
"sun_starship_legends",
"StopGapMeasures",
"timid_supply_forging",
"tahlan",
"Terraforming and Station Construction",
"star_federation",
"THI",
"TORCHSHIPS",
"underworld",
"US",
"URW",
"vic",
"vayrasector",
"vayrashippack",
"XhanEmpire",
"audio_plus",
"shaderLib"
]}
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Ok I did some testing and think I may have figured it.
{"enabledMods": [
"HMI",
"junk_pirates_release",
"lw_lazylib",
"MagicLib",
"nexerelin",
"vayrasector",
"vayrashippack",
"audio_plus",
"shaderLib"
]}
I disabled all my fluff and was able to run. I enabled factions one by one and the third one was Hazard mining (HMI) and when I started a game it crashed.
73370 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.findPartySyst em(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:176)
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.findPartyPlan et(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:283)
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.advance(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:61)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.runScripts(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.fleet.CampaignFleet.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseLocation.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.StarSystem.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.save.CampaignGameManager.super(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.title.TitleScreenState.dialogDismissed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.N.dismiss(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.impl.K.dismiss(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.save.if.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.newnew.buttonPressed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.processInput(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.O0Oo.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
I'll keep enabling other mods and see if I find another crash conflict but I figured I'd update with what I've found so far
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Thank you,
I've actually gone the slightly less elegant way round and stuck a null check in, which seems to be fixing the issue.
It appears that some markets are getting a 'null' faction, which is tripping out a bit of code that the Explorer's use.
I think, that even though I'm using similar code elsewhere, this 'null' risk is only exposed by the Explorer's who are less picky about where they visit, and are more likely to start looking at planets with null factions ...
If you can identify the mod, that would be incredibly helpful, but I still think it is reasonable that I include this null check, because it's a bit of a weird case that I'm sure another mod will do in the future ...
EDIT: Link updated, hopefully should be working now!
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Update:
I enabled all utility mods with no issues then I went and enabled faction mods (minus HMI) alphabetically and was fine until I enabled Tiandong Heavy Industries at which point I received the same crash. SO so far HMI and Tiadong conflict. Still have the remaining alphabet to go, Ill let you know :)
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OK so I have enabled all mods with the exceptions of Hazard Mining Incorporated, HMI Supervillians and Tiadong Heavy Industries and do not crash. Those two faction mods seem to be the only ones that conflict with yours and though it may look as though I have every faction mod in use I am sure there are one or two that I do not have enabled. :)
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Ok so before I get reported for Spamming, last update. I see you updated your code so I enabled all mods with the newest version of JP and voila no crash. Thank you so much for jumping on this and sorry if I was a pain in the process.
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Sigh, sorry yet another update:
I was able to start a game a play with the new code which is an improvement however after roughly 5-10 minute of gameplay I get the following crash:
911247 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.findPartyPlan et(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:285)
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.advance(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:61)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.runScripts(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.fleet.CampaignFleet.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseLocation.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.StarSystem.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignState.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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Hey, please don't worry about this it is unimaginably helpful for the cases I don't get to test!
https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JunkPirates.jar (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JunkPirates.jar)
Sorry about the trouble; I've added another null check here (which I thought was null-checked, but obviously not in the right place!); download above JAR and replace in JP_RC / jars folder whilst I upload another hotfix version; and hope for the best ...
Thanks again!
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I've played for over an hour with no crash with the hotfix installed. Haven't come across any explorers but I'm not sure if being neutral/friendly to your factions while playing as HMI effects that.
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I've played for over an hour with no crash with the hotfix installed. Haven't come across any explorers but I'm not sure if being neutral/friendly to your factions while playing as HMI effects that.
That's great, thanks for letting me know.
Your relation will not specifically affect that; basically you get more intel if you are friendly with JP - but no fundamental impact to what the behaviours are.
I'll have to double check when I can that I haven't completely switched them off accidentally, but on balance you'll probably be expecting to run with maybe 3-4 troublemakers mucking around - probably in the core worlds; and 4-5 explorers in the wilds - and the explorers are likely to be anywhere in the sector ... so I guess that's not necessarily unexpected.
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Found another crash. Lost in a fight with the Starlight Cabal and when I respawned I crashed:
4175472 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at data.campaign.intel.misc.JunkExplorerDecisionIntel.initTransientData(JunkExplorerDecisionIntel.java:84)
at data.campaign.intel.misc.JunkExplorerDecisionIntel.createIntelInfo(JunkExplorerDecisionIntel.java:162)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.ooOO.<init>(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.super.addMessage(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignState.addMessage(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.IntelManager.addIntel(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.IntelManager.addIntel(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.IntelManager.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignState.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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Thanks again!
I can sort of see why this might happen; ultimately it seems a fleet which doesn't exist is trying to queue a message up about what it's intentions are.
But not sure exactly why it got to that point, but I guess it did so there is no point in worrying about it!
I'm going to try and stick a null check in again to circumvent what I think is the issue.
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https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JunkPirates.jar (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JunkPirates.jar)
Slight bump; hotfix; more nullchecks. Had a little pass through and tried to pick up potential pitfalls ... Any more issues just let me know and I'll sort it.
EDIT: if it's not clear; this JAR has been rolled into the main download - so only grab JAR file if you downloaded prior to about 8pm GMT February 8th ...
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I started a new game with the most up to date version. I had been playing for about 10 minutes when I was flying to Breh'inni (Christchurch is a needy little planet that spams small trade requests, a good place for a new fleet to make a few bucks while waiting for a more lucrative opportunity) when:
java.lang.NullPointerException
at data.campaign.intel.misc.AspCourierDepartureIntel.initTransientData(AspCourierDepartureIntel.java:118)
at data.campaign.intel.misc.AspCourierDepartureIntel.createIntelInfo(AspCourierDepartureIntel.java:215)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.ooOO.<init>(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.super.addMessage(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignState.addMessage(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.IntelManager.addIntel(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.IntelManager.addIntel(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.IntelManager.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignState.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
Installed mods:
Spoiler
"$$$_lightshow",
"Adjusted Sector",
"anotherportraitpack",
"anvil_industries",
"capturecrew",
"chatter",
"lw_radar",
"lw_console",
"istl_dam",
"DisassembleReassemble",
"edshipyard",
"galmart",
"gates_awakened",
"hypernet",
"IndEvo",
"interestingportraitspack",
"Imperium",
"junk_pirates_release",
"kadur_remnant",
"lw_lazylib",
"ArkLeg",
"luddenhance",
"MagicLib",
"dk_mis_09",
"missingships",
"more_hullmods",
"nexerelin",
"wyv_planetaryShieldAccessControl",
"sun_ruthless_sector",
"swp",
"bonomel_skilledup",
"StopGapMeasures",
"tahlan",
"Terraforming and Station Construction",
"exalted",
"star_federation",
"THI",
"TORCHSHIPS",
"underworld",
"vayrashippack",
"vesperon",
"shaderLib"
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Thank you for the report!
This is a fun* one! I don't think this will be a mod incompatibility thing, just some strange things happening that shouldn't ... I have this one already protected (or so I thought) by several null checks, but obviously not close enough to the bit that counts ... I'll have a little poke around for similar implementations and see if there is more I can do to cut this kind of thing off.
Thanks again, appreciate it - sorry you have to be my testers and it's a shame these things don't happen to me before I release! but what can you do ...
*not fun
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Been awhile, here is another crash report.
3200609 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.findPartyPlan et(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:290)
at data.scripts.campaign.fleets.JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.advance(JunkPiratesExplorerFleetAssignmentAI.java:61)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.runScripts(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseCampaignEntity.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.fleet.CampaignFleet.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.BaseLocation.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.StarSystem.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignEngine.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.CampaignState.advance(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
This is from roughly 10 minutes into a new game. The mods I changed from my last report was I updated Magic lib and installed the new version of The exalted. Not sure if they have anything to do with it but for due diligence I figured I'd mention it.
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Thank you.
I think I got this one; potential null return from something; I posted an update on discord late last night (lots of extra null checking in new code) but I was tired and wanted to run some more extended tests / have another pass through the code prior to 'officially' releasing / publicising it widely.
(grab the Jar from previous link if you fancy it ... should link to a later version which can be slotted in)
Also worth noting these unexpected null returns are in new code which can be turned off by disabling Junk Explorers and ASP Couriers in mendoncaModSettings.ini, but other than general tiredness / crosseyed reviewing of code I'm hopeful the new JAR is more robust and should stop this.
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Update: Been playing for over 2 hours with the new JAR and no crashing. Seemed to do the trick, thanks for the quick reply!
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Update: Been playing for over 2 hours with the new JAR and no crashing. Seemed to do the trick, thanks for the quick reply!
Awesome. Thanks for letting me know, that makes me feel more comfortable!
Cleared a couple of 1 years - 2 year games my side last night and tonight (various mods including HMI, Nex, Vayra), so that's looking positive at least.
Pushed out the 3.5.3 to version checker and main package updated; fingers / toes etc. crossed!
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Here we go again :)
5089112 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at data.campaign.intel.misc.AspCourierDepartureIntel.getMapLocation(AspCourierDepartureIntel.java:337)
at com.fs.starfarer.api.impl.campaign.intel.BaseIntelPlugin.getIntelTags(BaseIntelPlugin.java:236)
at data.campaign.intel.misc.AspCourierDepartureIntel.getIntelTags(AspCourierDepartureIntel.java:295)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.EventsPanel.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.EventsPanel.ØÖ0000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.EventsPanel.øÖ0000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.EventsPanel.sizeChanged(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.for.setSize(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.return.this.void(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.return.sizeChanged(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.for.setSize(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.o00OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.setSize(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.newui.O0oO$7.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.newnew.buttonPressed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.processInput(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.O0Oo.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
Updated mods since last report: Vayra's Sector, Vayra's ship pack, Kadur Remnant
Crash happened while docked at a station and I pressed the "Intel" button
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Hey thanks; I'm going to blame Vayra for this one ... seems convenient!
It's trying to look at a market that exists itself (because it's stepped past that null check), but doesn't have a 'primary location'?
Slammed a few more null checks in ... and hotfixed the main download ...
https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JunkPirates.jar (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JunkPirates.jar)
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Deleted the previous JAR and replaced it with the d/l in the previous post. Loaded the save that had the previous crash, pressed the "Intel" button and.....
127891 [Thread-4] ERROR com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain - java.lang.NullPointerException
java.lang.NullPointerException
at data.campaign.intel.misc.AspCourierDepartureIntel.getMapLocation(AspCourierDepartureIntel.java:343)
at com.fs.starfarer.api.impl.campaign.intel.BaseIntelPlugin.getIntelTags(BaseIntelPlugin.java:236)
at data.campaign.intel.misc.AspCourierDepartureIntel.getIntelTags(AspCourierDepartureIntel.java:297)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.EventsPanel.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.EventsPanel.ØÖ0000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.EventsPanel.øÖ0000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.v2.EventsPanel.sizeChanged(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.for.setSize(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.return.this.void(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.campaign.comms.return.sizeChanged(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.for.setSize(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.o00OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.setSize(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.newui.O0oO$7.actionPerformed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.newnew.buttonPressed(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.Ò00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.I.processInput(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.ui.O0Oo.o00000(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.BaseGameState.traverse(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.state.AppDriver.begin(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.combat.CombatMain.main(Unknown Source)
at com.fs.starfarer.StarfarerLauncher$1.run(Unknown Source)
at java.lang.Thread.run(Unknown Source)
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Thanks again, did wonder whether that would work ... sent you a pm - would you mind sending a savegame?
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Posted another hot ... update? (from original links) It's a candidate fix but hasn't been tested against received savegames (thank you!) ... will run some proper tests against savegames, with modlists / logging etc. over course of weekend, hopefully stop guessing about how to fix things.
But did get potential route to clarity via Histidine on Discord, which might explain what is going on ...
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Hey, great mod! The Junk Pirates are definitely a must have faction for my Starsector playthroughs.
I experienced the same crashes as the others above (I have not tried the hot update from today). I'm about to start a new campaign, so I figure I'll just go with the current stable version (which looks like it's.... 351?).
My question is, when you finish updating 3.5.3. will it be safe to update from 3.5.1.? Or will it break the save?
Either way, awesome awesome mod, thanks for the fun faction!
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Thanks for the kind words!
Unfortunately it is highly likely to break things; I did a fairly heavy balance / tidy pass from 3.5.1 to 3.5.2 which adds lots of non-save-compatible things.
If you fancy risking it; disabling junk explorers and asp couriers 'should' protect you from the current errant code; but yeah might be a little safer running 3.5.1 until I've really drilled down to whats happening; and can verify any fixes etc.
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Ok, darn, that's what I figured. I'll probably be extra safe and just stick with 3.5.1 for now. Thanks so much for the quick response!
Good luck squashing that bug!
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Slight update; reliably generating the crash my end. Which is good, looks like indeed what is happening is I am losing data in the (at least the ASP) intel objects when leaving game / coming back in - which causes a null crash.
So it's going to need some rewriting, maybe simple maybe not, but I've got a good chance of having a proper go at it now.
In the meantime I've pushed a hotfix which externalises whether intel comes on or not. Defaults off, and keep it off, unless you like nasty surprises.
https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/Junk_Pirates_353.zip (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/Junk_Pirates_353.zip)
If you want, you can also grab the JAR:
https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JunkPirates.jar (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/JunkPirates.jar)
But if you do that you'll need the updated mendoncaModSettings.ini to pick up the extra debugging bits I've put in (can leave as default; which turns off intel bits).
https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/mendoncaModSettings.ini (https://bitbucket.org/mendoncka/my-files/downloads/mendoncaModSettings.ini)
(Save in mod directory over the existing)
Or alternatively, just play other mods until this gets sorted. Thanks for your patience!
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Hello Mendonca, I was wondering if you were working on updating the Junk Pirates update for .95a. Big fan of the mod and having more pirate factions in the world. Thanks!
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Hello Mendonca, I was wondering if you were working on updating the Junk Pirates update for .95a. Big fan of the mod and having more pirate factions in the world. Thanks!
Hey! Sorry for delay in response, what with the release dropping and subsequent high levels of forum activity I missed this message.
In practice, right now I am not doing a huge amount on it, what with real life type issues and everything (nothing to be dramatic about, just busy times at work etc.)
My main hurdle at the minute to overcome is playing through 0.95 for long enough so I can get a grip on the new game as it is, and then shift things about appropriately.
The mod is definitely alive though! It's difficult to say exactly when the update will drop though, not sure it needs a huge amount of work but it does need some focused time on it; particularly understanding the overall vibe of the . I suppose it should be by the 7th June which will be the 10 year anniversary of the thread ... ???
Thanks for the message though, it's appreciated.
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So, I made an update to this mod for personal use, and its got everything working now except the custom dialog for just the factions in the rules.csv. (The dialog just uses game defaults for now, I can't find the problem there for the life of me, but that's a little off topic)
It's pretty stable and worth sharing.
However, I don't think I can pass it out without Mendonca's permission, so I'm asking here.
Apologies in advance for meddling in your mod
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Just want to stop in and say this by far my favorite mod for this game, thanks so much Mendonca!
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So, I made an update to this mod for personal use, and its got everything working now except the custom dialog for just the factions in the rules.csv. (The dialog just uses game defaults for now, I can't find the problem there for the life of me, but that's a little off topic)
It's pretty stable and worth sharing.
However, I don't think I can pass it out without Mendonca's permission, so I'm asking here.
Apologies in advance for meddling in your mod
Apologies for the threadcromancy, just checking if you ever released this version? I'd love to play with it but I'm not sure Mendonca is around anymore.
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So, I made an update to this mod for personal use, and its got everything working now except the custom dialog for just the factions in the rules.csv. (The dialog just uses game defaults for now, I can't find the problem there for the life of me, but that's a little off topic)
It's pretty stable and worth sharing.
However, I don't think I can pass it out without Mendonca's permission, so I'm asking here.
Apologies in advance for meddling in your mod
Apologies for the threadcromancy, just checking if you ever released this version? I'd love to play with it but I'm not sure Mendonca is around anymore.
Around a month ago Mendonca replied to a PM I sent him asking if he was still around and if the mod would be updated, and he said that he still cared about the mod but currently didn’t have the time to update Junk Pirates to work for 0.95.X because of IRL concerns.
He’s still around, just busy.
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Is this mod ever going to get updated? I used to really enjoy the ships in this mod. Even the orca
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Since it's been a year without any posting by Mendonca, I'm wondering if it anyone has made any updates to this mod to make it work with the current version of the game?