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[0.9.1a] Roider Union 0.8.1
« on: August 26, 2015, 08:16:10 PM »

Roider Union
Version 0.8.1

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Proud and industrious, the asteroid miners of the Sector, or roiders, have always been fiercely independent. The Roider Union, initially formed to coordinate defense against piracy, has changed that. They have learned to cooperate with one another and developed their own tech-base of cobbled-together designs.

The roiders have become Roiders.

Features:
- Commission with the Roider Union, a sub-faction of the independents
- Retrofits! Convert your freighters and other civilian ships into warships
- Fly Roider ships into battle
- Resupply at remote Roider bases

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Changelog:
Version 0.8.1
 Changes:
 - Made retrofit intel and UI more consistent.
 
 Bug Fixes:
 - Fixed crash when starting a new game with Nexerelin active.
 - Fixed a crash when a market has no faction.


Version 0.8.0
 The Roider Union returns!
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #1 on: August 27, 2015, 06:39:38 PM »

Tiny update to make "The Hammer" a bit easier. You are no longer limited to three command points. Or any number of command points. ;)
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #2 on: August 28, 2015, 01:27:02 PM »

Ho boy, "The Hammer" is one tough nut. Did you beat it yourself at normal fleet size (200)? Any tips?
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #3 on: August 28, 2015, 02:19:11 PM »

I've only tried it twice, almost beat it the first time (I think the pirates had everything deployed or destroyed), but the second time I got my butt handed to me. I was doing it with battle size 400. I haven't really done any sort of balancing on it, to be honest.

My strategy was to deploy cruisers, Enforcers, mining pods, and some Tarsi first, then deploy all the Buffalo (make sure you have enough DP to do so). I put down two defend points, one close to the middle of the map and one towards the rear. The Buffalo were assigned to the rear point and the rest to the front, then I just stayed near the front in the Eagle and tried to grind down the pirates.

Keep your shields down except when blocking missiles/asteroids and don't be afraid to take a quick vent, because you have to keep firing.

I was trying it with only 3 command points, so maybe ordering the Ventures to escort you with the defend points for everyone else would work better.

The Lashers have more firepower than the Tarsi, but they're more likely to overextend and die.

Warthogs are scary when you haven't got all of the pirate's (2) carriers.


Like I said, I haven't tried it much. I'll probably try again over the weekend once or twice. Any specific feedback on how unbalanced it is would be great. :)


Edit: For giggles I turned battle size up to 800 and played it. There were only 21 out of ~68 pirate ships left when I died. So bitterly-contested defeat for me. There were so many wrecks... I think a wreck hitting my engines is what killed me.
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #4 on: August 29, 2015, 02:28:11 AM »

Any specific feedback on how unbalanced it is would be great. :)

Mh, yeah, first of all I don't think it's a good idea to use non-standard battle size for balancing. It feels too much like cheating if you expect players to do that.

Well, and it is too hard at battle size 200, I'm not sure if it can be beaten at all.

What is really fun about the mission is the asteroid storm. It is really cool if enemies die because you kept them distracted and unable to defend against it. Indirect kills.

What you might try to do is emphasize that more, e.g. by giving your side more fightercraft and the enemy more slow ships with a vulnerable behind. Maybe exchange the missile support Mk.IIs (at a "safe distance" they can only fire their Pillums anyway) for Pillum Condors.

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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #5 on: August 29, 2015, 07:55:02 AM »

Mh, yeah, first of all I don't think it's a good idea to use non-standard battle size for balancing. It feels too much like cheating if you expect players to do that.

Well, and it is too hard at battle size 200, I'm not sure if it can be beaten at all.

Ah, sorry about that. I play with 400+ battle size so much I'd forgotten what the default was. From now on I'll always test at 200 first.


What is really fun about the mission is the asteroid storm. It is really cool if enemies die because you kept them distracted and unable to defend against it. Indirect kills.

What you might try to do is emphasize that more, e.g. by giving your side more fightercraft and the enemy more slow ships with a vulnerable behind. Maybe exchange the missile support Mk.IIs (at a "safe distance" they can only fire their Pillums anyway) for Pillum Condors.

I was a little hesitant about emphasizing the asteroids since the AI can't see them, but the high speed asteroid impacts are really cool.

Going more strikecraft for the player's fleet is what I should have done from the beginning. Especially since I've stated that the Roider's focus is on carriers and ballistics. I'll put in the Roider strikecraft, even though that will take some lore reworking (for what that's worth at this early stage ::)).

Good ideas.


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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2015, 12:30:49 PM »

I downloaded this, and I can say I'm still having some trouble beating "The Hammer" Mission. It's a ton of fun, and I almost pulled it off on my sixth(Latest) attempt. I ended up destroying everything but a bunch of talons, a condor, and two enforcers. I lost, because my heavily damaged ship took an asteroid to the face when i wasn't looking. I've been playing on battle size 200, by the way.

It might just be me, but with the way the eagle is, I believe it's worth it to simply strip off the ballestic weaponry on front, and toss the OP into capacitors and vents. Your phase lances already make mince-meat of everything, litterally one-shotting (D) frigates. The extra capacity and vents let you fire more times before having to back off to vent.

As for the first mission... kind of sad, but I still haven't beaten it yet. Over-all I have to say I like the mod quite a bit. Especially the fact the asteroids flying by in "The hammer".
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #7 on: August 31, 2015, 07:38:24 AM »

I downloaded this, and I can say I'm still having some trouble beating "The Hammer" Mission. It's a ton of fun, and I almost pulled it off on my sixth(Latest) attempt. I ended up destroying everything but a bunch of talons, a condor, and two enforcers. I lost, because my heavily damaged ship took an asteroid to the face when i wasn't looking. I've been playing on battle size 200, by the way.

Glad you're having fun! :)

It might just be me, but with the way the eagle is, I believe it's worth it to simply strip off the ballestic weaponry on front, and toss the OP into capacitors and vents. Your phase lances already make mince-meat of everything, litterally one-shotting (D) frigates. The extra capacity and vents let you fire more times before having to back off to vent.

I think you're right. The Eagle, being a "Custom" variant, is really intended to be as powerful as possible, whereas the other ships are intended to be trying to get by with open market weapons.

As for the first mission... kind of sad, but I still haven't beaten it yet. Over-all I have to say I like the mod quite a bit. Especially the fact the asteroids flying by in "The hammer".

The trick with the first mission is that the Tarsus can't deal damage and the fighters can't take hits. Try an escort order to reign in the fighters.
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #8 on: September 01, 2015, 08:05:23 AM »

Beat it! The Hammer has fallen ;D

65%. Only with custom loadouts for all ships, though. Still don't think it's possible with a thematically fitting low-tech loadout.

Worked like this: First deployed a specialzed anti-armor wave that took care of the Hounds. I used three Mauler-Enforcers and Assault Cannon-Tarsuses. Then deployed my Eagle and further general purpose ships. Tarsuses got an extra rally point so they stayed in front to soak up damage and Reapers.

Eagle loadout was 3 Phase beams, 3 Mortars, Bulkheads and Conduits.

Was fun :)


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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2015, 08:33:03 AM »

Beat it! The Hammer has fallen ;D

Nice!

I probably would have done some work with the missions and released a version 0.5.2, but I've been wrestling with the Roider Frigate again. I'll give you a little teaser: the probably final name for the frigate is Cyclops.

And for reference, the way I rate my missions is:
Easy = Autopilot wins
Medium = I can beat it if I work at it (and I'm not a bad player)
Hard = I could beat it in theory if I tried a lot
Impossible = Buffalo Mk. 2 vs Onslaught
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #10 on: September 01, 2015, 10:15:15 AM »

I beat it as well finally! 73%
I adjusted the eagle by removing it's ballestics, and tossing the spare OP into vents and capacitors.
I deployed everything but the mining drones and a buffalo Mk2. I split my forces between two defense points with buffalos behind. I also moved my eagle between the points in the center.
The really hard part of the mission is keeping your eagle alive as you take out the destroyers and frigates that swarm the center.
 Usually the cruisers fall from salamanders/asteroids flaming out there engines.
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #11 on: September 23, 2015, 06:17:36 AM »

I got some time to work on this mod yesterday, so the Cyclops Frigate is closer to done. It has excellent turret coverage, including a 360° medium turret, but lacks missile mounts.



Needs a lot of work still, but it's getting there.
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.5.1 Alpha
« Reply #12 on: September 23, 2015, 06:19:51 AM »

o.O Cool

Can't wait to see it :)
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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.6 Alpha
« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2015, 06:52:38 PM »

New version up!

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Version 0.6
-Added Cyclops Frigate
-Added mission "Eye of the Storm"
-Added built-in hullmod "Roider AAA Software" - no function yet
-Changed Dozer Bomber loadout from 2x Harpoon MRM (Double) to 4x Harpoon MRM (Single) - slight buff
-Removed Harpoon MRM (Double)
-Removed mission "The Hammer" - still in "extras" folder
-Removed Roider Test Zones 2 and 3 (missions)

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Re: [0.65.2a] Roider Union 0.6 Alpha
« Reply #14 on: September 29, 2015, 12:11:56 AM »

Steadily growing are we? I'm curious to see what this will turn in.
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