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Author Topic: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.6c "Earth and Sky" (update 2020-03-28)  (Read 1139783 times)

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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.3b (fixes 2019-08-17)
« Reply #2445 on: September 04, 2019, 08:20:14 AM »

Daedalus supposedly got the feathers to make the wings by killing a bird with two stone.

So was he terrible at throwing so instead of 1 he threw 2 stones, or did he hold the stones and beat the bird to death?
Yeah quick thinking, I share your second assumption,  Icarus had a troubled childhood and was pretty prone to sudden fits of anger coupled with being lost in that labyrinth, i scare to imagine what must have passed through his mind when he got hold of that poor bird.   
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.3b (fixes 2019-08-17)
« Reply #2446 on: September 04, 2019, 07:44:32 PM »

Ok so I messed with some settings in the json.

1). I reduced the fleetRequestCostPerFP to 200, that should mean its half as cheap for me to call pirate/path destruction fleets right?
2). What does changing warWearinessCeasefireReduction or warWearinessPeaceTreatyReduction mean?
3). I set maxNPCColonySize to 10 and maxNPCNewColonySize to 10. Does this mean NPC colonies will actually grow to bigger sizes now within a 10-20 cycle campaign?
4). I set colonyExpeditionInterval to 120 so that should mean a new colony is formed every 4 months of a cycle right?
5). Where is the setting for diplomacy frequency? I can't seem to find it in the json file.

Thanks for your quick answers Hastur & Histidine
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.3b (fixes 2019-08-17)
« Reply #2447 on: September 05, 2019, 04:56:51 AM »

Factions can do that, yeah. Kind of screwy but also makes a certain amount of sense.

You can search for AllianceVoter in starsector.log to see what goes into the voting decision, although the numbers may not mean much (it relies heavily on "disposition", which is currently a hidden value).

So, I took a look at the logs but I don't know where is my factions name. Is it "default"?
[attached image of log]
"default" means what it applies to every faction that isn't specified (which does include player).
Although that screenshotted value is only for the "base" disposition, there are other factors involved as well. You can see some of those with the printDisposition console command.

A proper player-facing display of dispositions (and some important fixes to how it's handled) are coming in the next update.

1). I reduced the fleetRequestCostPerFP to 200, that should mean its half as cheap for me to call pirate/path destruction fleets right?
2). What does changing warWearinessCeasefireReduction or warWearinessPeaceTreatyReduction mean?
3). I set maxNPCColonySize to 10 and maxNPCNewColonySize to 10. Does this mean NPC colonies will actually grow to bigger sizes now within a 10-20 cycle campaign?
4). I set colonyExpeditionInterval to 120 so that should mean a new colony is formed every 4 months of a cycle right?
5). Where is the setting for diplomacy frequency? I can't seem to find it in the json file.
1) Yes
2) It's how much war weariness the factions lose when signing a Ceasefire or Peace Treaty (when the diplomatic events with those specific names) come up.
3) It'll allow them to grow, yeah. Although by default NPC colonies have half the player's growth rate (see nex_npcColonyGrowthMult in settings.json) so it'll take a while.
4) In principle, yes. But see this
5) Nexerelin/data/config/exerelin/diplomacyConfig.json
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.3b (fixes 2019-08-17)
« Reply #2448 on: September 05, 2019, 08:00:51 AM »

I'll wait for your .9.4 colony patch then before I mess with colony intervals.

I changed the npc colony growth multiplier to 1 so hopefully it works fine now. Though since npc's don't have growth incentive like the player I might have to make the multiplier higher.

I also reduced the cost of agent actions by half since the cost scaling is steep for something that could easily backfire. Personally I always found it easier to just raid & disrupt a planet directly instead of investing in agents. Diplomatic consequences are trivial because the faction then just sues for peace(Maybe take a look into more dangerous vengeance fleets?).

I'll report back how the changes feel after I do an another campaign.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.3b (fixes 2019-08-17)
« Reply #2449 on: September 05, 2019, 08:24:39 PM »

I'll wait for your .9.4 colony patch then before I mess with colony intervals.

I changed the npc colony growth multiplier to 1 so hopefully it works fine now. Though since npc's don't have growth incentive like the player I might have to make the multiplier higher.

I also reduced the cost of agent actions by half since the cost scaling is steep for something that could easily backfire. Personally I always found it easier to just raid & disrupt a planet directly instead of investing in agents. Diplomatic consequences are trivial because the faction then just sues for peace(Maybe take a look into more dangerous vengeance fleets?).

I'll report back how the changes feel after I do an another campaign.

Out of curiosity, does modifying that kind of variable work for an ongoing game, or would it require a new one?
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.3b (fixes 2019-08-17)
« Reply #2450 on: September 06, 2019, 07:17:57 AM »

Hi,

Just wanted to say I am having a blast with this mod. Really hitting the spot and it adds a lot of depth to an already amazing game.

Just want to know if a situation I ran into is considered a bug or working as intended. My current(first)  campaign I started off as a pirate and it went well. Had to be sneaky to get anywhere but I soon got the hang of it. Yesterday I started a colony and was 100 with pirates still. Then I ran across some Pirate Maurauders or something out in deep space in an unexplored system while looking for expansion planets and they were hostile to me. I am fine with that since harr pirates and all no honor etc but I did not have an option to disengage and when I spanked them my rep dropped with pirates from 100 to -50 and my commission was revoked.

I rolled with it and am fine with my current game state as is just wanted to get some clarity on this and let you know if you are not aware.

Again thanks for an amazing mod.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.3b (fixes 2019-08-17)
« Reply #2451 on: September 06, 2019, 08:34:36 AM »

Hi,

Just wanted to say I am having a blast with this mod. Really hitting the spot and it adds a lot of depth to an already amazing game.

Just want to know if a situation I ran into is considered a bug or working as intended. My current(first)  campaign I started off as a pirate and it went well. Had to be sneaky to get anywhere but I soon got the hang of it. Yesterday I started a colony and was 100 with pirates still. Then I ran across some Pirate Maurauders or something out in deep space in an unexplored system while looking for expansion planets and they were hostile to me. I am fine with that since harr pirates and all no honor etc but I did not have an option to disengage and when I spanked them my rep dropped with pirates from 100 to -50 and my commission was revoked.

I rolled with it and am fine with my current game state as is just wanted to get some clarity on this and let you know if you are not aware.

Again thanks for an amazing mod.

Yeah thats vanilla behavior.

There is two types of pirates.

Pirates that spawn from planets / stations (this includes convoys / patrols / armada's), and randomly generated pirates (this is usually for bounties / exploration).

The first is covered by your reputation. The second doesn't give a *** if your the Devil itself, they will attack anyway. Thats how their behavior works. They're kinda like stranded people with no contact with the outside; they don't know who you are and just think your somebody to rob so they can get back to civilization / whatever pirates do in their free time.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.3b (fixes 2019-08-17)
« Reply #2452 on: September 06, 2019, 10:51:48 AM »

I'll wait for your .9.4 colony patch then before I mess with colony intervals.

I changed the npc colony growth multiplier to 1 so hopefully it works fine now. Though since npc's don't have growth incentive like the player I might have to make the multiplier higher.

I also reduced the cost of agent actions by half since the cost scaling is steep for something that could easily backfire. Personally I always found it easier to just raid & disrupt a planet directly instead of investing in agents. Diplomatic consequences are trivial because the faction then just sues for peace(Maybe take a look into more dangerous vengeance fleets?).

I'll report back how the changes feel after I do an another campaign.

Out of curiosity, does modifying that kind of variable work for an ongoing game, or would it require a new one?
In general changing any .json file affects your current game as the values are reloaded every time the game starts up
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.4b "Mambo No. 9" (update 2019-09-07)
« Reply #2453 on: September 07, 2019, 04:31:57 AM »

Update with assorted improvements.
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Nexerelin v0.9.4b
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v0.9.4b
* Fix outposts stockpiling the wrong commodities
* Fix decivilized trade event being in debug mode

v0.9.4
* Add "diplomacy profile" intel
    * Intent is to make diplomacy a bit less opaque
* Improvements/fixes to diplomacy AI
* Diplomacy base interval 10 days -> 15
* Random sector enhancements
    * Stations now found in asteroid belts/fields and rings, no longer appear around non-gas-giant planets
    * Factions are less likely to build mining when ore/rare ore deposits are marginal
        * Such planets are also less likely to be colonized later
    * Ensure each faction has a starting heavy industry (if it would normally get one) in Derelict Empire mode
    * Ensure someone has a synchrotron core, if none were generated normally
* Players can build automated outposts around asteroids and uninhabited planets, with 'waystation-lite' functionality
* Modify bar delivery event
    * Less "greedy" about going to faraway destinations
    * Don't request deliveries to Derelict Empire markets
* Heavy Armaments can be used in player invasions
* Small factions will have reduced maximum invasion size
* NPC markets/colonies:
    * May build new structures and industries on size up
    * Properly handle colony expeditions when interval is short
    * Colony expedition launcher retries faster if event fails to generate
* New config options
    * enableInvasions: Set to false to disable invasions while keeping raids
    * allyVictories: Disables ally victories if false
* Procurement missions will temporarily increase local supply of that commodity, if done through legal channels
* Blueprint trader won't sell no_bp_drop items
* GUI
    * New game dialog improvements
        * Display starting fleet after selection
        * Move Prism Freeport and starting scenario to "other options" menu (prevents sector settings menu from overflowing on 768 px height screens)
    * Add "go to agent" button on player agent actions
    * List heavy industry markets in faction directory
    * Pirate activity intel doesn't inappropriately display relationship modifiers for accessibility/stability penalties
    * Add/update some tooltips
    * Fix UI issues when player is docked at a planet's station, sells the station, then transfers the market
* Bugfixes
    * Fix brawl mode defense fleets not despawning
    * Fix independents not spawning by default in random sector
    * Fix invasions/raids being spawned from hidden bases
    * Fix some issues with local resources submarket
    * Fix Prism still having military submarket, high-end seller CR bug
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Hi,

Just wanted to say I am having a blast with this mod. Really hitting the spot and it adds a lot of depth to an already amazing game.

Just want to know if a situation I ran into is considered a bug or working as intended. My current(first)  campaign I started off as a pirate and it went well. Had to be sneaky to get anywhere but I soon got the hang of it. Yesterday I started a colony and was 100 with pirates still. Then I ran across some Pirate Maurauders or something out in deep space in an unexplored system while looking for expansion planets and they were hostile to me. I am fine with that since harr pirates and all no honor etc but I did not have an option to disengage and when I spanked them my rep dropped with pirates from 100 to -50 and my commission was revoked.
Thanks!

Sorry, not sure which mod adds a fleet with the name "Marauders" or otherwise having the behavior you describe. Was this after doing anything in particular (say, salvaging an object that was described as triggering a trap beacon)?
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.4b "Mambo No. 9" (update 2019-09-07)
« Reply #2454 on: September 07, 2019, 05:01:46 AM »

Thnx for wark with that mod, but i see some stupid things.

Some NPC colonyes do not lvl up whan reach 100% grow. And let them buid more stations, more upgrades and other structures/

And one more thing, if we have some raid in our system from planet A hostile fraction B and we capture that market and give it to fraction C, than raiders forces from that planet change theis belonging from fraction B to C, becomes friendly if C is friendly, but thay do not stop raiding, also they do not attack players fraction, but we still have raiding debuff on players colonyes from fraction B. (if we'll hunt those new raiders belongings to fraction C raid will stops, as C becomes hostile how it shoild be)

If you do not undestand all what i say, please, inform me.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.4b "Mambo No. 9" (update 2019-09-07)
« Reply #2455 on: September 07, 2019, 07:54:43 AM »

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* Players can build automated outposts around asteroids and uninhabited planets, with 'waystation-lite' functionality
* Heavy Armaments can be used in player invasions

Wow, cool. I really like the little features like that. Can you expand the outposts function and let the player eventually grow the outpost to an inhabited station? More interaction with commodities is always nice, they are always just Credits in another form. I wish the crew could also eat the cheap food in the cargo hold to reduce the cost of them munching on expensive Supplies.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.4b "Mambo No. 9" (update 2019-09-07)
« Reply #2456 on: September 07, 2019, 12:09:52 PM »

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* Players can build automated outposts around asteroids and uninhabited planets, with 'waystation-lite' functionality
* Heavy Armaments can be used in player invasions

Wow, cool. I really like the little features like that. Can you expand the outposts function and let the player eventually grow the outpost to an inhabited station? More interaction with commodities is always nice, they are always just Credits in another form. I wish the crew could also eat the cheap food in the cargo hold to reduce the cost of them munching on expensive Supplies.

Supplies aren't just used to feed crew, they are there for maintenance. Space isn't exactly the best place for a bunch of complex machines, reinforced steel, and other materials bolted and put together. Ships degrade in space, so the supplies are used to keep them consistently repaired every day.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.4b "Mambo No. 9" (update 2019-09-07)
« Reply #2457 on: September 07, 2019, 12:27:55 PM »

I wish the crew could also eat the cheap food in the cargo hold to reduce the cost of them munching on expensive Supplies.
I think there is actually a line in core settings.json for that, but they don't eat basic food with it enabled, but food in form of supplies.
« Last Edit: September 07, 2019, 12:31:01 PM by Hastur »
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.4b "Mambo No. 9" (update 2019-09-07)
« Reply #2458 on: September 07, 2019, 12:43:30 PM »

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* Players can build automated outposts around asteroids and uninhabited planets, with 'waystation-lite' functionality
* Heavy Armaments can be used in player invasions

Wow, cool. I really like the little features like that. Can you expand the outposts function and let the player eventually grow the outpost to an inhabited station? More interaction with commodities is always nice, they are always just Credits in another form. I wish the crew could also eat the cheap food in the cargo hold to reduce the cost of them munching on expensive Supplies.

Supplies aren't just used to feed crew, they are there for maintenance. Space isn't exactly the best place for a bunch of complex machines, reinforced steel, and other materials bolted and put together. Ships degrade in space, so the supplies are used to keep them consistently repaired every day.

Supplies kind of represent an abstraction collection of repair bits, ammo, food, and clothing for your crew. It's all lumped into one commodity for ease.
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Re: [0.9.1a] Nexerelin v0.9.4b "Mambo No. 9" (update 2019-09-07)
« Reply #2459 on: September 07, 2019, 12:53:44 PM »

Hist, consider replacing morality with behaviour or some other more descriptive thing that would influence a faction's behaviour. While evil and amoral suggest a faction would backstab you in a heartbeat, good and neutral are less clear (since this is still a wargame). For example, in vanilla, Persean League sends expeditions for making basically any money, while Luddic Church's only reason is you having free port switched on. In Nex, they both have "good" alignment. Actual morality is less useful, since Starsector is about combat, so you want even the "good guys" (which we shouldn't be having, but that's not for today) to be fighting one another.
I think it would be better, if factions alignment/behaviour types, like vindictive (more aggressive after getting reputation low, reduced chance for positive events after getting low reputation, dislikes other vindictive factions), peaceful (focused on running their own matters, thus less expeditions and more war weariness, dislike of warmonger types), etc., in order to make it even clearer how can you expect a certain faction to act, at least currently.
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